Manual Transmission problems

wrote:
> On May 24, 11:14 am, Nate Nagel > wrote:
>
wrote:
>>
>>>I just recently bought a 2004 Subaru Outback and have had some
>>>problems shifting the car into first and reverse. This only occurs
>>>from a stand-still, and it happens about 10% of the time.
>>
>>>I took the car in and they told me that I wasn't pressing down hard
>>>enough on the clutch. I explained that when I can't get the car into
>>>first or reverse, I actually have to let up off the clutch slightly
>>>before I can get the car into gear. After keeping the car all day,
>>>they found that the first gear synchro was worn and the shift shaft
>>>seal was leaking (which they replaced).
>>
>>>I am still having some problems getting into first sometimes, although
>>>not as often as before. But reverse continues to be a headache.
>>
>>>The service crew is now telling me that this is because my car is an
>>>All Wheel Drive vehicle and the gear teeth are bigger so sometimes
>>>they don't come together easily. They told me that I have to double
>>>clutch or shift into third before I shift the car into first or
>>>reverse to align the gears.
>>
>>>Well, when trying to back out of my parking spot this morning, I tried
>>>everything that they said. I double clutched, and I also shifted the
>>>car into third 2 times before reverse finally engaged.
>>
>>>I have owned 3 other standards and have never had a single occurance
>>>in which I couldn't get the car into first or reverse on the first
>>>try...
>>
>>>I'm just wondering if this is common, or if I'm just being fed excuse
>>>after excuse because I'm a girl...
>>
>>>Any help would be greatly appreciated!
>>
>>When you come to a stop, are you leaving the car in gear (but with the
>>clutch depressed) until the car stops dead, then trying to select first
>>or reverse? If you do that, all should be OK. Sometimes if you pull
>>the car into neutral while it is still rolling, you end up with gears
>>spinning down making it hard to shift (you'll be fighting the synchros
>>until they work their magic.)
>>
>>When you can't shift, if you try to force things, do the gears grind, or
>>are you just unable to move the shifter?
>>
>>nate
>>
>>(really wishes you were my next door neighbor so I could just drive your
>>car and see what you were talking about)
>>
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>
>
> When I'm coming to a stop, I generally keep it in gear with the clutch
> pressed down...then throw it in neutral when I come to a stop...
>
> I haven't noticed any grinding really...it's hard for me to explain,
> but I can move the shifter about half way into gear and it just seems
> to hit a wall and I can get it to fully pop into gear...
>

Try this... next time that happens, just keep a light pressure on the
shifter and let the clutch out just almost to the point of starting to
engage, and slooooowly let it out just a little more (you don't need to
give it any gas or even take your foot off the brake pedal for this, you
don't really want to load the engine down, just get enough engagement to
get the transmission's internals spinning ever so slightly.) If it
really is just sitting on top of a dog, it should snick right in. I
don't remember ever having to do this with a modern transmission, but
it's second nature on my old Stude with a T-10 (completely
unsynchronized reverse) and doesn't hurt anything but wears the clutch a
little.

hope this helps,

nate

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wrote:
> On May 24, 11:26 am, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
>
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>I just recently bought a 2004 Subaru Outback and have had some
>>>problems shifting the car into first and reverse. This only occurs
>>
>>>from a stand-still, and it happens about 10% of the time.
>>
>>I will say that I have been annoyed at my wife's Outback, which requires
>>the clutch pedal to go down a lot farther than I expected.
>>
>>
>>>I took the car in and they told me that I wasn't pressing down hard
>>>enough on the clutch. I explained that when I can't get the car into
>>>first or reverse, I actually have to let up off the clutch slightly
>>>before I can get the car into gear. After keeping the car all day,
>>>they found that the first gear synchro was worn and the shift shaft
>>>seal was leaking (which they replaced).
>>
>>I hope they changed the clutch as well. If you're going to go through
>>all the trouble to drop the transmission you might as well change the
>>clutch in the process.
>>
>>
>>>I'm just wondering if this is common, or if I'm just being fed excuse
>>>after excuse because I'm a girl...
>>
>>Try bottoming the clutch way out. Also ask if they can adjust it so
>>the friction point on the clutch is a little closer-in. The clutch on
>>the Outback has a really long throw but I think you're being fed excuses
>>too.
>>--scott
>>
>>--
>>"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
>
>
> I always press the clutch all the way to the floor when changing
> gears...that's the way I have always driven standards...
>
> So, when they first told me that it was just happening because I
> wasn't pressing down hard enough on the clutch, I was insulted.
>
> They didn't replace the clutch - just the first gear synchro and the
> shift shaft seal...
>

Hmmm....

I'm not going to badmouth the people that did the work because I wasn't
there, and because maybe they found that the clutch still had 95% of its
lining left BUT... if someone had replaced a synchro in my car, which
would 99.44% of the time involve removing the transmission from the car,
I would either want a new clutch and pressure plate just "while you're
in there" or else a good explanation of why it was not replaced (i.e.
"it looked like brand new.")

nate

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> The newest excuse that I was told last night by the sales manager was
> that they make reverse difficult to engage so that you don't
> accidently shift it into reverse when you don't mean to...
>
> I feel insulted because I've been driving manuals for close to 8 years
> now! They keep talking to me like I just don't know how to drive it!

Send them a registered letter spelling out the problem. That way you have a
legal account of the problem and they can't claim the warranty is over
later.

On May 24, 11:53 am, Nate Nagel > wrote:
> wrote:
> > On May 24, 11:14 am, Nate Nagel > wrote:
>
> wrote:
>
> >>>I just recently bought a 2004 Subaru Outback and have had some
> >>>problems shifting the car into first and reverse. This only occurs
> >>>from a stand-still, and it happens about 10% of the time.
>
> >>>I took the car in and they told me that I wasn't pressing down hard
> >>>enough on the clutch. I explained that when I can't get the car into
> >>>first or reverse, I actually have to let up off the clutch slightly
> >>>before I can get the car into gear. After keeping the car all day,
> >>>they found that the first gear synchro was worn and the shift shaft
> >>>seal was leaking (which they replaced).
>
> >>>I am still having some problems getting into first sometimes, although
> >>>not as often as before. But reverse continues to be a headache.
>
> >>>The service crew is now telling me that this is because my car is an
> >>>All Wheel Drive vehicle and the gear teeth are bigger so sometimes
> >>>they don't come together easily. They told me that I have to double
> >>>clutch or shift into third before I shift the car into first or
> >>>reverse to align the gears.
>
> >>>Well, when trying to back out of my parking spot this morning, I tried
> >>>everything that they said. I double clutched, and I also shifted the
> >>>car into third 2 times before reverse finally engaged.
>
> >>>I have owned 3 other standards and have never had a single occurance
> >>>in which I couldn't get the car into first or reverse on the first
> >>>try...
>
> >>>I'm just wondering if this is common, or if I'm just being fed excuse
> >>>after excuse because I'm a girl...
>
> >>>Any help would be greatly appreciated!
>
> >>When you come to a stop, are you leaving the car in gear (but with the
> >>clutch depressed) until the car stops dead, then trying to select first
> >>or reverse? If you do that, all should be OK. Sometimes if you pull
> >>the car into neutral while it is still rolling, you end up with gears
> >>spinning down making it hard to shift (you'll be fighting the synchros
> >>until they work their magic.)
>
> >>When you can't shift, if you try to force things, do the gears grind, or
> >>are you just unable to move the shifter?
>
> >>nate
>
> >>(really wishes you were my next door neighbor so I could just drive your
> >>car and see what you were talking about)
>
> >>--
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>
> >>- Show quoted text -
>
> > When I'm coming to a stop, I generally keep it in gear with the clutch
> > pressed down...then throw it in neutral when I come to a stop...
>
> > I haven't noticed any grinding really...it's hard for me to explain,
> > but I can move the shifter about half way into gear and it just seems
> > to hit a wall and I can get it to fully pop into gear...
>
> Try this... next time that happens, just keep a light pressure on the
> shifter and let the clutch out just almost to the point of starting to
> engage, and slooooowly let it out just a little more (you don't need to
> give it any gas or even take your foot off the brake pedal for this, you
> don't really want to load the engine down, just get enough engagement to
> get the transmission's internals spinning ever so slightly.) If it
> really is just sitting on top of a dog, it should snick right in. I
> don't remember ever having to do this with a modern transmission, but
> it's second nature on my old Stude with a T-10 (completely
> unsynchronized reverse) and doesn't hurt anything but wears the clutch a
> little.
>
> hope this helps,
>
> nate
>
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>
> - Show quoted text -

I really appreciate all the advice!

I can get the gear to slide in properly if I let up off the clutch
pedal a little. And I can also get it to engage 95% of the time if I
shift into third before trying to shift into first or reverse...I just
don't think that I should HAVE to do any of these things to have a
properly operating car that I'm paying lots of money for

I was hoping to hear that a lot of people have similar problems so
that I can safely assume that they are not just taking advantage of me
because I'm a girl...The sales manager told me that he has had some
difficulties with first and reverse on every single car he has had in
the 50 years he's been driving...he basically called me a liar when I
told him that I have never had an issue like this before...

On May 24, 12:18 pm, "Noozer" > wrote:
> > The newest excuse that I was told last night by the sales manager was
> > that they make reverse difficult to engage so that you don't
> > accidently shift it into reverse when you don't mean to...
>
> > I feel insulted because I've been driving manuals for close to 8 years
> > now! They keep talking to me like I just don't know how to drive it!
>
> Send them a registered letter spelling out the problem. That way you have a
> legal account of the problem and they can't claim the warranty is over
> later.

That's a really great idea! I will definitely do that!

I also called Subaru Corporate and asked them if they have ever had
any issues like this, and they seemed to agree with me and said that
they are going to authorize me to take my car into another Subaru
dealership to have it looked at. I also told them that I will be
calling them back tomorrow to file a formal complaint against the
dealership (there have been several other issues that were minor in
comparison to the transmission). I will be meeting with the GM of the
dealership tonight to talk about all my issues...

In article .com>, wrote:

> I have owned a Ford Probe, Mazda MX-6, Mercury Cougar, Honda
> Civic...all with MT and I have never had any problems at all with any
> of them...

Probe/MX-6 had some difficulty getting into reverse, so I guess I didn't
get the right feel from your description...

wrote:
> On May 24, 11:53 am, Nate Nagel > wrote:
>
wrote:
>>
>>>On May 24, 11:14 am, Nate Nagel > wrote:
>>
wrote:
>>
>>>>>I just recently bought a 2004 Subaru Outback and have had some
>>>>>problems shifting the car into first and reverse. This only occurs
>>>>
>>>>>from a stand-still, and it happens about 10% of the time.
>>
>>>>>I took the car in and they told me that I wasn't pressing down hard
>>>>>enough on the clutch. I explained that when I can't get the car into
>>>>>first or reverse, I actually have to let up off the clutch slightly
>>>>>before I can get the car into gear. After keeping the car all day,
>>>>>they found that the first gear synchro was worn and the shift shaft
>>>>>seal was leaking (which they replaced).
>>
>>>>>I am still having some problems getting into first sometimes, although
>>>>>not as often as before. But reverse continues to be a headache.
>>
>>>>>The service crew is now telling me that this is because my car is an
>>>>>All Wheel Drive vehicle and the gear teeth are bigger so sometimes
>>>>>they don't come together easily. They told me that I have to double
>>>>>clutch or shift into third before I shift the car into first or
>>>>>reverse to align the gears.
>>
>>>>>Well, when trying to back out of my parking spot this morning, I tried
>>>>>everything that they said. I double clutched, and I also shifted the
>>>>>car into third 2 times before reverse finally engaged.
>>
>>>>>I have owned 3 other standards and have never had a single occurance
>>>>>in which I couldn't get the car into first or reverse on the first
>>>>>try...
>>
>>>>>I'm just wondering if this is common, or if I'm just being fed excuse
>>>>>after excuse because I'm a girl...
>>
>>>>>Any help would be greatly appreciated!
>>
>>>>When you come to a stop, are you leaving the car in gear (but with the
>>>>clutch depressed) until the car stops dead, then trying to select first
>>>>or reverse? If you do that, all should be OK. Sometimes if you pull
>>>>the car into neutral while it is still rolling, you end up with gears
>>>>spinning down making it hard to shift (you'll be fighting the synchros
>>>>until they work their magic.)
>>
>>>>When you can't shift, if you try to force things, do the gears grind, or
>>>>are you just unable to move the shifter?
>>
>>>>nate
>>
>>>>(really wishes you were my next door neighbor so I could just drive your
>>>>car and see what you were talking about)
>>
>>>>--
>>>>replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.http://members.cox.net/njnagel-Hide quoted text -
>>
>>>>- Show quoted text -
>>
>>>When I'm coming to a stop, I generally keep it in gear with the clutch
>>>pressed down...then throw it in neutral when I come to a stop...
>>
>>>I haven't noticed any grinding really...it's hard for me to explain,
>>>but I can move the shifter about half way into gear and it just seems
>>>to hit a wall and I can get it to fully pop into gear...
>>
>>Try this... next time that happens, just keep a light pressure on the
>>shifter and let the clutch out just almost to the point of starting to
>>engage, and slooooowly let it out just a little more (you don't need to
>>give it any gas or even take your foot off the brake pedal for this, you
>>don't really want to load the engine down, just get enough engagement to
>>get the transmission's internals spinning ever so slightly.) If it
>>really is just sitting on top of a dog, it should snick right in. I
>>don't remember ever having to do this with a modern transmission, but
>>it's second nature on my old Stude with a T-10 (completely
>>unsynchronized reverse) and doesn't hurt anything but wears the clutch a
>>little.
>>
>>hope this helps,
>>
>>nate
>>
>>--
>>replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.http://members.cox.net/njnagel- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>- Show quoted text -
>
>
> I really appreciate all the advice!
>
> I can get the gear to slide in properly if I let up off the clutch
> pedal a little. And I can also get it to engage 95% of the time if I
> shift into third before trying to shift into first or reverse...I just
> don't think that I should HAVE to do any of these things to have a
> properly operating car that I'm paying lots of money for
>
> I was hoping to hear that a lot of people have similar problems so
> that I can safely assume that they are not just taking advantage of me
> because I'm a girl...The sales manager told me that he has had some
> difficulties with first and reverse on every single car he has had in
> the 50 years he's been driving...he basically called me a liar when I
> told him that I have never had an issue like this before...
>

I'd post this to a Subaru group if you can to see if this is normal or
not. I have no experience with them whatsoever. Like I said before I'd
consider this normal behavior on a 40 year old T-10 but on a new car
like yours, not so much - but I suppose anything is possible, they might
have super HD internals that do make them a little more difficult to shift

nate

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Nate Nagel wrote:
> wrote:
> > On May 24, 11:53 am, Nate Nagel > wrote:
> >
> wrote:
> >>
> >>>On May 24, 11:14 am, Nate Nagel > wrote:
> >>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>>>>I just recently bought a 2004 Subaru Outback and have had some
> >>>>>problems shifting the car into first and reverse. This only occurs
> >>>>
> >>>>>from a stand-still, and it happens about 10% of the time.
> >>
> >>>>>I took the car in and they told me that I wasn't pressing down hard
> >>>>>enough on the clutch. I explained that when I can't get the car into
> >>>>>first or reverse, I actually have to let up off the clutch slightly
> >>>>>before I can get the car into gear. After keeping the car all day,
> >>>>>they found that the first gear synchro was worn and the shift shaft
> >>>>>seal was leaking (which they replaced).
> >>
> >>>>>I am still having some problems getting into first sometimes, although
> >>>>>not as often as before. But reverse continues to be a headache.
> >>
> >>>>>The service crew is now telling me that this is because my car is an
> >>>>>All Wheel Drive vehicle and the gear teeth are bigger so sometimes
> >>>>>they don't come together easily. They told me that I have to double
> >>>>>clutch or shift into third before I shift the car into first or
> >>>>>reverse to align the gears.
> >>
> >>>>>Well, when trying to back out of my parking spot this morning, I tried
> >>>>>everything that they said. I double clutched, and I also shifted the
> >>>>>car into third 2 times before reverse finally engaged.
> >>
> >>>>>I have owned 3 other standards and have never had a single occurance
> >>>>>in which I couldn't get the car into first or reverse on the first
> >>>>>try...
> >>
> >>>>>I'm just wondering if this is common, or if I'm just being fed excuse
> >>>>>after excuse because I'm a girl...
> >>
> >>>>>Any help would be greatly appreciated!
> >>
> >>>>When you come to a stop, are you leaving the car in gear (but with the
> >>>>clutch depressed) until the car stops dead, then trying to select first
> >>>>or reverse? If you do that, all should be OK. Sometimes if you pull
> >>>>the car into neutral while it is still rolling, you end up with gears
> >>>>spinning down making it hard to shift (you'll be fighting the synchros
> >>>>until they work their magic.)
> >>
> >>>>When you can't shift, if you try to force things, do the gears grind, or
> >>>>are you just unable to move the shifter?
> >>
> >>>>nate
> >>
> >>>>(really wishes you were my next door neighbor so I could just drive your
> >>>>car and see what you were talking about)
> >>
> >>>>--
> >>>>replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.http://members.cox.net/njnagel-Hide quoted text -
> >>
> >>>>- Show quoted text -
> >>
> >>>When I'm coming to a stop, I generally keep it in gear with the clutch
> >>>pressed down...then throw it in neutral when I come to a stop...
> >>
> >>>I haven't noticed any grinding really...it's hard for me to explain,
> >>>but I can move the shifter about half way into gear and it just seems
> >>>to hit a wall and I can get it to fully pop into gear...
> >>
> >>Try this... next time that happens, just keep a light pressure on the
> >>shifter and let the clutch out just almost to the point of starting to
> >>engage, and slooooowly let it out just a little more (you don't need to
> >>give it any gas or even take your foot off the brake pedal for this, you
> >>don't really want to load the engine down, just get enough engagement to
> >>get the transmission's internals spinning ever so slightly.) If it
> >>really is just sitting on top of a dog, it should snick right in. I
> >>don't remember ever having to do this with a modern transmission, but
> >>it's second nature on my old Stude with a T-10 (completely
> >>unsynchronized reverse) and doesn't hurt anything but wears the clutch a
> >>little.
> >>
> >>hope this helps,
> >>
> >>nate
> >>
> >>--
> >>replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.http://members.cox.net/njnagel- Hide quoted text -
> >>
> >>- Show quoted text -
> >
> >
> > I really appreciate all the advice!
> >
> > I can get the gear to slide in properly if I let up off the clutch
> > pedal a little. And I can also get it to engage 95% of the time if I
> > shift into third before trying to shift into first or reverse...I just
> > don't think that I should HAVE to do any of these things to have a
> > properly operating car that I'm paying lots of money for
> >
> > I was hoping to hear that a lot of people have similar problems so
> > that I can safely assume that they are not just taking advantage of me
> > because I'm a girl...The sales manager told me that he has had some
> > difficulties with first and reverse on every single car he has had in
> > the 50 years he's been driving...he basically called me a liar when I
> > told him that I have never had an issue like this before...
> >
>
> I'd post this to a Subaru group if you can to see if this is normal or
> not. I have no experience with them whatsoever. Like I said before I'd
> consider this normal behavior on a 40 year old T-10 but on a new car
> like yours, not so much - but I suppose anything is possible, they might
> have super HD internals that do make them a little more difficult to shift
>
> nate
>
> --
> replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.
> http://members.cox.net/njnagel

Thanks so much Nate!

I'll definitely give that a shot!

In article >,
Nate Nagel > wrote:

> wrote:
> > On May 24, 11:26 am, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
> >
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >>>I just recently bought a 2004 Subaru Outback and have had some
> >>>problems shifting the car into first and reverse. This only occurs
> >>
> >>>from a stand-still, and it happens about 10% of the time.
> >>
> >>I will say that I have been annoyed at my wife's Outback, which requires
> >>the clutch pedal to go down a lot farther than I expected.
> >>
> >>
> >>>I took the car in and they told me that I wasn't pressing down hard
> >>>enough on the clutch. I explained that when I can't get the car into
> >>>first or reverse, I actually have to let up off the clutch slightly
> >>>before I can get the car into gear. After keeping the car all day,
> >>>they found that the first gear synchro was worn and the shift shaft
> >>>seal was leaking (which they replaced).
> >>
> >>I hope they changed the clutch as well. If you're going to go through
> >>all the trouble to drop the transmission you might as well change the
> >>clutch in the process.
> >>
> >>
> >>>I'm just wondering if this is common, or if I'm just being fed excuse
> >>>after excuse because I'm a girl...
> >>
> >>Try bottoming the clutch way out. Also ask if they can adjust it so
> >>the friction point on the clutch is a little closer-in. The clutch on
> >>the Outback has a really long throw but I think you're being fed excuses
> >>too.
> >>--scott
> >>
> >>--
> >>"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
> >
> >
> > I always press the clutch all the way to the floor when changing
> > gears...that's the way I have always driven standards...
> >
> > So, when they first told me that it was just happening because I
> > wasn't pressing down hard enough on the clutch, I was insulted.
> >
> > They didn't replace the clutch - just the first gear synchro and the
> > shift shaft seal...
> >
>
> Hmmm....
>
> I'm not going to badmouth the people that did the work because I wasn't
> there, and because maybe they found that the clutch still had 95% of its
> lining left BUT... if someone had replaced a synchro in my car, which
> would 99.44% of the time involve removing the transmission from the car,
> I would either want a new clutch and pressure plate just "while you're
> in there" or else a good explanation of why it was not replaced (i.e.
> "it looked like brand new.")
>
> nate

Amen to that!

If you've gotta pull the tranny, for whatever reason, putting a fresh
clutch package in before reassembly ought to be be SOP unless the one
that's in it currently is thoroughly inspected and found to be in
next-best-thing-to-brand-new condition. Reasonably cheap insurance
against near-term failure, doncha know...

(Of course, this is someone talking who drives a car that only requires
about $45 in parts, 15 minutes, and 8 extra bolts (all easily accessible
once the tranny is dropped for whatever else is being done) R&Red to
replace the clutch plate, pilot bearing, and throwout bearing)

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Nate Nagel wrote:
> wrote:
>> On May 24, 11:26 am, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
>>
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> I just recently bought a 2004 Subaru Outback and have had some
>>>> problems shifting the car into first and reverse. This only occurs
>>>
>>>> from a stand-still, and it happens about 10% of the time.
>>>
>>> I will say that I have been annoyed at my wife's Outback, which requires
>>> the clutch pedal to go down a lot farther than I expected.
>>>
>>>
>>>> I took the car in and they told me that I wasn't pressing down hard
>>>> enough on the clutch. I explained that when I can't get the car into
>>>> first or reverse, I actually have to let up off the clutch slightly
>>>> before I can get the car into gear. After keeping the car all day,
>>>> they found that the first gear synchro was worn and the shift shaft
>>>> seal was leaking (which they replaced).
>>>
>>> I hope they changed the clutch as well. If you're going to go through
>>> all the trouble to drop the transmission you might as well change the
>>> clutch in the process.
>>>
>>>
>>>> I'm just wondering if this is common, or if I'm just being fed excuse
>>>> after excuse because I'm a girl...
>>>
>>> Try bottoming the clutch way out. Also ask if they can adjust it so
>>> the friction point on the clutch is a little closer-in. The clutch on
>>> the Outback has a really long throw but I think you're being fed excuses
>>> too.
>>> --scott
>>>
>>> --
>>> "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
>>
>>
>> I always press the clutch all the way to the floor when changing
>> gears...that's the way I have always driven standards...
>>
>> So, when they first told me that it was just happening because I
>> wasn't pressing down hard enough on the clutch, I was insulted.
>>
>> They didn't replace the clutch - just the first gear synchro and the
>> shift shaft seal...
>>
>
> Hmmm....
>
> I'm not going to badmouth the people that did the work because I wasn't
> there, and because maybe they found that the clutch still had 95% of its
> lining left BUT... if someone had replaced a synchro in my car, which
> would 99.44% of the time involve removing the transmission from the car,
> I would either want a new clutch and pressure plate just "while you're
> in there" or else a good explanation of why it was not replaced (i.e.
> "it looked like brand new.")
>
> nate
>
How about "we don't give away parts or do free work". Is that a good
enough explanation?