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Old February 25th 05, 03:49 AM
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The vehicle is a 1992 Chevy S10 pickup, 2.2L four cylinder, 5 speed
transmission.

This was brought to me last year with engine problems, low/flakey oil
pressure and a bad knock in the bottom end. I threw a junkyard engine
(same 2.2L 4 cylinder) in and just replaced the entire engine.

Now, it's back. No compression in cylinder #1 or #2. I pulled the head,
and #1 has a burned exhaust valve and it's not sealing at all. On
cylinder #2, the exhaust valve doesn't look so good either, and the
head gasket was leaking between the cylinder and the coolant jacket.

The owner of this one tends to drive it hard. He really wants more
power, and he likes to rev the thing a lot higher than he should. I'm
wondering if maybe I should try a different engine for him.

I was thinking about a Quad 4 or Quad 4 HO (from an Olds Acheiva or
Pontiac donor). I'm hoping that will take his high revving driving
style a bit better.

Now for the questions,

1) Will a Quad 4 engine bolt up to his 5 speed transmission? A
transmission swap really isn't in the budget, either from a time or
economic standpoint. Will I need a different bell housing or adapter or
anything? And what about the clutch?

2) Is the injection system the same? Or could I use the controller,
wiring, sensors and whatnot that's in the truck now with the fuel rail
on the Quad-4 engine? Or am I looking at a full ECU and wiring harness
swap with this?

3) What about ignition. This 2.2 has the coil packs on the side of it.
I'm not sure what the Quad 4's used.

4) Was the Quad 4 ever used in a front engine/rear wheel drive vehicle?
Is there going to be an exhaust manifold that would work? Making a
header isn't entirely out of the question, but I'd rather use off the
shelf parts if possible.

Has anyone ever done a swap like this? Is there some other engine that
might be a more appropriate swap? I'd really prefer to avoid another
2.2L 4 banger. Just not enough power, and I'm not terribly impressed
with that engine overall.

I've heard and seen on various internet posts that the early Quad 4's
had problems with head gaskets failing, but the later ones seemed to be
better. I've also seen mention of valve train problems, but nothing
real specific about what that problem really is.

Thanks in advance for any input or advice. If I'm about to make a huge
mistake, I'd rather find out now than after starting this project.

--
Racer X

1984 VW Jetta Diesel GT
1992 Mazda Miata (looks OK considering it's been hit by an 18 wheeler)
1994 Caravan (OK, maybe it's a keeper, but I still want a VW Caddy)
1995 Ford Escort (may it rest in pieces)
1983 VW Rabbit GTI (ITB racer)
1988 Mazda RX-7 (maybe for sale, make offer)
1992 GMC Topkick (portable garage for racecar[s])

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Old February 25th 05, 01:15 PM
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Do what I did, 350/375horse in front of a 4 speed, he'll never again
complain about a gutless motor. Just a suggestion. You probably didn't
do anything that affected the outcome of the second motor, sometimes
you'll have this with junkyard stuff. I like to find 'em with low
miles, if you can, & always pull the dipstick on the doner motor so I
have half a chance of gettin' a good one.

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Old February 25th 05, 02:35 PM
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You're probably right about going with the small block. If money were
no object, that would be an option.

But that's also not so unique. There are tons of V8 powered S10's out
there.

I suspect the engine had problems when I put it in, but i also think
the owner's driving style helped kill it. The best description of his
"style" is, "mash the gas until the valves float, then shift." The only
car I know of that he hasn't killed the engine in is a Honda Civic Si
(which was totalled in an accident, he wasn't driving it at the time).
He likes to rev everything really high. He does get a little squeemish
going over 6,500-7,000 RPMs, so if the engine will live to 6,700-7,000
RPM's, he probably won't kill it. Even tuning a small block for that
kind of revs is difficult (and he drives his V8 Cougar to similar high
revs, so I don't think he'd go easy on a V8).

That's why I was thinking some kind of DOHC 4 banger might work for
him. Heck, a Honda engine might work, but I was hoping a Quad 4 might
be less work to install.

Thanks for your answer, though.

--
Racer X

1984 VW Jetta Diesel GT
1992 Mazda Miata (looks OK considering it's been hit by an 18 wheeler)
1994 Caravan (OK, maybe it's a keeper, but I still want a VW Caddy)
1995 Ford Escort (may it rest in pieces)
1983 VW Rabbit GTI (ITB racer)
1988 Mazda RX-7 (maybe for sale, make offer)
1992 GMC Topkick (portable garage for racecar[s])

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Old February 25th 05, 06:21 PM
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>
> I was thinking a 4.3 swap - they came factory, but doubt it would

live
> very long with his driving style.
>

Yeah, I considered that. Wrong transmission in it for that right now.
The 4.3's got a different trans (and I think they have a different bolt
pattern for the bell housing and block). I think the same trans for the
4.3L will fit the small block V8, So if I go to that much trouble, I
might as well do the small block V8.

> Dumb question - emissions testing where you live?


Not yet, but I don't want to do anything so wild he couldn't pass if it
comes here. There's a lot of rumbling that we might be getting some
kind of emissions testing soon. We're only one county away from the
Metro Atlanta areas with strict emissions testing, and there have been
lawsuits from the environmental groups to expand that testing to cover
the entire area around us. Not sure where that's going.

If we get that, then there's visual (cat must be present, and factory
emissions stuff has to be present and functioning). This one is old
enough that it's not OBD-II (not even OBD-I I don't think), so I don't
think there's any requirements for OBD connectors on it.

I'm still not clear on the bellhousing issue. Were any cars delivered
that used both the 2.xL pushrod 4 cylinders and the Quad 4? Is the end
of the engine going to be the same and bolt up to the transmission. I
think I can work the rest of the issues out. The main issues I'm
worried about are hooking it up the transmission and maybe bolting the
engine mounts on.

I'll be getting the engine at a "pull it yourself" type yard, so I
really don't want to get the thing off and find out it won't fit.

--
Racer X

1984 VW Jetta Diesel GT
1992 Mazda Miata (looks OK considering it's been hit by an 18 wheeler)
1994 Caravan (OK, maybe it's a keeper, but I still want a VW Caddy)
1995 Ford Escort (may it rest in pieces)
1983 VW Rabbit GTI (ITB racer)
1988 Mazda RX-7 (maybe for sale, make offer)
1992 GMC Topkick (portable garage for racecar[s])

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Old February 25th 05, 06:27 PM
BOB URZ
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" wrote:

> >
> > I was thinking a 4.3 swap - they came factory, but doubt it would

> live
> > very long with his driving style.
> >

> Yeah, I considered that. Wrong transmission in it for that right now.
> The 4.3's got a different trans (and I think they have a different bolt
> pattern for the bell housing and block). I think the same trans for the
> 4.3L will fit the small block V8, So if I go to that much trouble, I
> might as well do the small block V8.
>
> > Dumb question - emissions testing where you live?

>
> Not yet, but I don't want to do anything so wild he couldn't pass if it
> comes here. There's a lot of rumbling that we might be getting some
> kind of emissions testing soon. We're only one county away from the
> Metro Atlanta areas with strict emissions testing, and there have been
> lawsuits from the environmental groups to expand that testing to cover
> the entire area around us. Not sure where that's going.
>
> If we get that, then there's visual (cat must be present, and factory
> emissions stuff has to be present and functioning). This one is old
> enough that it's not OBD-II (not even OBD-I I don't think), so I don't
> think there's any requirements for OBD connectors on it.
>
> I'm still not clear on the bellhousing issue. Were any cars delivered
> that used both the 2.xL pushrod 4 cylinders and the Quad 4? Is the end
> of the engine going to be the same and bolt up to the transmission. I
> think I can work the rest of the issues out. The main issues I'm
> worried about are hooking it up the transmission and maybe bolting the
> engine mounts on.
>
> I'll be getting the engine at a "pull it yourself" type yard, so I
> really don't want to get the thing off and find out it won't fit.
>
> --
> Racer X
>


If the bottom end is intact, why just not machine shop the head
and put a new head gasket on it? Should not be much more than
a few hundred in parts and services. Some junk yards sell refurb heads off
the shelf with core.

I don't think a quad 4 is going to be a easy or durable swap.

Bob


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Old February 25th 05, 07:45 PM
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"racer_x" wrote:
> The vehicle is a 1992 Chevy S10 pickup, 2.2L four cylinder, 5
> speed
> transmission.
>
> This was brought to me last year with engine problems,
> low/flakey oil
> pressure and a bad knock in the bottom end. I threw a junkyard
> engine
> (same 2.2L 4 cylinder) in and just replaced the entire engine.
>
> Now, it's back. No compression in cylinder #1 or #2. I pulled
> the head,
> and #1 has a burned exhaust valve and it's not sealing at all.
> On
> cylinder #2, the exhaust valve doesn't look so good either,
> and the
> head gasket was leaking between the cylinder and the coolant
> jacket.
>
> The owner of this one tends to drive it hard. He really wants
> more
> power, and he likes to rev the thing a lot higher than he
> should. I'm
> wondering if maybe I should try a different engine for him.
>
> I was thinking about a Quad 4 or Quad 4 HO (from an Olds
> Acheiva or
> Pontiac donor). I'm hoping that will take his high revving
> driving
> style a bit better.
>
> Now for the questions,
>
> 1) Will a Quad 4 engine bolt up to his 5 speed transmission? A
> transmission swap really isn't in the budget, either from a
> time or
> economic standpoint. Will I need a different bell housing or
> adapter or
> anything? And what about the clutch?
>
> 2) Is the injection system the same? Or could I use the
> controller,
> wiring, sensors and whatnot that's in the truck now with the
> fuel rail
> on the Quad-4 engine? Or am I looking at a full ECU and wiring
> harness
> swap with this?
>
> 3) What about ignition. This 2.2 has the coil packs on the
> side of it.
> I'm not sure what the Quad 4's used.
>
> 4) Was the Quad 4 ever used in a front engine/rear wheel drive
> vehicle?
> Is there going to be an exhaust manifold that would work?
> Making a
> header isn't entirely out of the question, but I'd rather use
> off the
> shelf parts if possible.
>
> Has anyone ever done a swap like this? Is there some other
> engine that
> might be a more appropriate swap? I'd really prefer to avoid
> another
> 2.2L 4 banger. Just not enough power, and I'm not terribly
> impressed
> with that engine overall.
>
> I've heard and seen on various internet posts that the early
> Quad 4's
> had problems with head gaskets failing, but the later ones
> seemed to be
> better. I've also seen mention of valve train problems, but
> nothing
> real specific about what that problem really is.
>
> Thanks in advance for any input or advice. If I'm about to
> make a huge
> mistake, I'd rather find out now than after starting this
> project.
>
> --
> Racer X
>
> 1984 VW Jetta Diesel GT
> 1992 Mazda Miata (looks OK considering it's been hit by an 18
> wheeler)
> 1994 Caravan (OK, maybe it's a keeper, but I still want a VW
> Caddy)
> 1995 Ford Escort (may it rest in pieces)
> 1983 VW Rabbit GTI (ITB racer)
> 1988 Mazda RX-7 (maybe for sale, make offer)
> 1992 GMC Topkick (portable garage for racecar[s])


I don’t see what’s so wrong with the 2.2L 4 cyl. engine. My ’99 S10
had a stock FI 4 cyl. engine. I don’t know if his is FI. My truck
could keep up with the S10 Xtremes an turbo tuner cars. Trust me, I
tried, and did.

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Old February 25th 05, 08:49 PM
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> wrote in message
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> The vehicle is a 1992 Chevy S10 pickup, 2.2L four cylinder, 5 speed
> transmission.
>
> This was brought to me last year with engine problems, low/flakey oil
> pressure and a bad knock in the bottom end. I threw a junkyard engine
> (same 2.2L 4 cylinder) in and just replaced the entire engine.
>
> Now, it's back. No compression in cylinder #1 or #2. I pulled the

head,
> and #1 has a burned exhaust valve and it's not sealing at all. On
> cylinder #2, the exhaust valve doesn't look so good either, and the
> head gasket was leaking between the cylinder and the coolant jacket.
>
> The owner of this one tends to drive it hard. He really wants more
> power, and he likes to rev the thing a lot higher than he should. I'm
> wondering if maybe I should try a different engine for him.
>
> I was thinking about a Quad 4 or Quad 4 HO (from an Olds Acheiva or
> Pontiac donor). I'm hoping that will take his high revving driving
> style a bit better.
>
> Now for the questions,
>
> 1) Will a Quad 4 engine bolt up to his 5 speed transmission? A
> transmission swap really isn't in the budget, either from a time or
> economic standpoint. Will I need a different bell housing or adapter

or
> anything? And what about the clutch?


NOPE. The FWD blocks have different mounting points than the RWD ones.

>
> 2) Is the injection system the same? Or could I use the controller,
> wiring, sensors and whatnot that's in the truck now with the fuel rail
> on the Quad-4 engine? Or am I looking at a full ECU and wiring harness
> swap with this?


Full swap.

>
> 3) What about ignition. This 2.2 has the coil packs on the side of it.
> I'm not sure what the Quad 4's used.
>
> 4) Was the Quad 4 ever used in a front engine/rear wheel drive

vehicle?
> Is there going to be an exhaust manifold that would work? Making a
> header isn't entirely out of the question, but I'd rather use off the
> shelf parts if possible.


> Has anyone ever done a swap like this? Is there some other engine that
> might be a more appropriate swap? I'd really prefer to avoid another
> 2.2L 4 banger. Just not enough power, and I'm not terribly impressed
> with that engine overall.


Considering how your friend drives it I would put a 2.2 in it, throw an
MSD ignition with Rev Limiter on it in and let him drive it.
Maybe switch it to an automatic?

>
> I've heard and seen on various internet posts that the early Quad 4's
> had problems with head gaskets failing, but the later ones seemed to

be
> better. I've also seen mention of valve train problems, but nothing
> real specific about what that problem really is.
>
> Thanks in advance for any input or advice. If I'm about to make a huge
> mistake, I'd rather find out now than after starting this project.
>
> --
> Racer X
>
> 1984 VW Jetta Diesel GT
> 1992 Mazda Miata (looks OK considering it's been hit by an 18 wheeler)
> 1994 Caravan (OK, maybe it's a keeper, but I still want a VW Caddy)
> 1995 Ford Escort (may it rest in pieces)
> 1983 VW Rabbit GTI (ITB racer)
> 1988 Mazda RX-7 (maybe for sale, make offer)
> 1992 GMC Topkick (portable garage for racecar[s])
>




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Old February 25th 05, 09:56 PM
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Why not put on a rev-limiter?

Brian


> wrote in message
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>
>>
>> I was thinking a 4.3 swap - they came factory, but doubt it would

> live
>> very long with his driving style.
>>

> Yeah, I considered that. Wrong transmission in it for that right now.
> The 4.3's got a different trans (and I think they have a different bolt
> pattern for the bell housing and block). I think the same trans for the
> 4.3L will fit the small block V8, So if I go to that much trouble, I
> might as well do the small block V8.
>
>> Dumb question - emissions testing where you live?

>
> Not yet, but I don't want to do anything so wild he couldn't pass if it
> comes here. There's a lot of rumbling that we might be getting some
> kind of emissions testing soon. We're only one county away from the
> Metro Atlanta areas with strict emissions testing, and there have been
> lawsuits from the environmental groups to expand that testing to cover
> the entire area around us. Not sure where that's going.
>
> If we get that, then there's visual (cat must be present, and factory
> emissions stuff has to be present and functioning). This one is old
> enough that it's not OBD-II (not even OBD-I I don't think), so I don't
> think there's any requirements for OBD connectors on it.
>
> I'm still not clear on the bellhousing issue. Were any cars delivered
> that used both the 2.xL pushrod 4 cylinders and the Quad 4? Is the end
> of the engine going to be the same and bolt up to the transmission. I
> think I can work the rest of the issues out. The main issues I'm
> worried about are hooking it up the transmission and maybe bolting the
> engine mounts on.
>
> I'll be getting the engine at a "pull it yourself" type yard, so I
> really don't want to get the thing off and find out it won't fit.
>
> --
> Racer X
>
> 1984 VW Jetta Diesel GT
> 1992 Mazda Miata (looks OK considering it's been hit by an 18 wheeler)
> 1994 Caravan (OK, maybe it's a keeper, but I still want a VW Caddy)
> 1995 Ford Escort (may it rest in pieces)
> 1983 VW Rabbit GTI (ITB racer)
> 1988 Mazda RX-7 (maybe for sale, make offer)
> 1992 GMC Topkick (portable garage for racecar[s])
>



 




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