Delivery Time for Factory Order

On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:25:21 -0700, Nathan W. Collier wrote:
> "Intergate" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> although your message was in response to twaldrons post, ill assume it was
> directed to me and respond.
>
>
>> Just wondering why you ordered one. There are so many on the lots around
>> here I could not imagine not finding one already built with what you
>> wanted or have them get one from a dealer swap.
>
> all the rubicons on the local lots here in billings montana had the grey
> tops with grey fenders.

Yeah, the dealer here in New York (no, not New York /City/) told me
the black top wasn't available with Patriot Blue. Of course if you
order they'll put whatever color you're paying for on it. The grey
actually looks rather nice with the blue. I was worried it would be
too much grey with the grey interior.

> they also all had dual tops

At least you can scrape the ice off and run the defogger in the winter :-).

I'm itching to put the soft top on and then have some warm sunshine to
go cruising without the top!

> and manual transmissions.

Who buys anything else? ;-)

> by ordering it im getting the exact jeep i want with nothing
> i dont.

Quite true (mostly). I thought about ordering ... but 1% below
invoice and having a 4x4 with the snow coming convinced me otherwise.
I think I would have lost that Chrysler incentive, and I wouldn't have
had the Jeep in time for the snow if I had ordered. I did keep going
over the features/options list and pricing before I decided.

The only "extras" I got were the floor mats and side steps (well, I
guess the stereo upgrade too, but it does sound rather nice). I took
both of them off weeks ago. Is it possible to order a Sport with the
lower-grade stereo, I wonder?

-D

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On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:56:28 GMT, IsellJeeps wrote:
> very true Jerry...you get the worst price if they "dealer trade" from
> somewhere else because the dealer loses the "holdback" money which on a
> wrangler is around 400-500 bucks.

What is "holdback"?

-D


> "Jerry Bransford" > wrote in message
> news:mL7Qd.11074$Tt.2421@fed1read05...
>> Something that few people realize is that a dealer will ALWAYS be more
>> willing to wheel and deal on a vehicle that is already on his lot than
>> one that is ordered. Definitely. And that means that if you negotiate,
>> you can usually get a better "enough" price on that vehicle on the lot,
>> enough so that those extra options you don't want can be "free" if
>> compared to what the ordered vehicle will end up costing.
>>
>> A dealer will always prefer selling something he is already paying for
>> that is taking up space on the lot and will, once again, always give a
>> better deal on that than one he has to order and wait for. This is also
>> true for one he can do a dealer trade or dealer locate since both
>> dealers want to unload that vehicle already on the lot. Definitely.
>>
>> Jerry

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money that goes to the dealer it is on the invoice but "hidden" in code


"Derrick Hudson" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:56:28 GMT, IsellJeeps wrote:
> > very true Jerry...you get the worst price if they "dealer trade" from
> > somewhere else because the dealer loses the "holdback" money which on a
> > wrangler is around 400-500 bucks.
>
> What is "holdback"?
>
> -D
>
>
> > "Jerry Bransford" > wrote in message
> > news:mL7Qd.11074$Tt.2421@fed1read05...
> >> Something that few people realize is that a dealer will ALWAYS be more
> >> willing to wheel and deal on a vehicle that is already on his lot than
> >> one that is ordered. Definitely. And that means that if you
negotiate,
> >> you can usually get a better "enough" price on that vehicle on the lot,
> >> enough so that those extra options you don't want can be "free" if
> >> compared to what the ordered vehicle will end up costing.
> >>
> >> A dealer will always prefer selling something he is already paying for
> >> that is taking up space on the lot and will, once again, always give a
> >> better deal on that than one he has to order and wait for. This is
also
> >> true for one he can do a dealer trade or dealer locate since both
> >> dealers want to unload that vehicle already on the lot. Definitely.
> >>
> >> Jerry
>
> --
> >Linux is not user-friendly.
> It -is- user-friendly. It is not ignorant-friendly and idiot-friendly.
> (Seen somewhere on the net.)
>
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In my case, while I was waiting for my ordered Rubi to come in, Jeep
came through town with a Route 2002 promotion which gave me an
additional $500 off the '$100 over invoice' price I'd negotiated.

Derrick Hudson wrote:
> Quite true (mostly). I thought about ordering ... but 1% below
> invoice and having a 4x4 with the snow coming convinced me otherwise.
> I think I would have lost that Chrysler incentive, and I wouldn't have
> had the Jeep in time for the snow if I had ordered. I did keep going
> over the features/options list and pricing before I decided.


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71 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940

Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.

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"Derrick Hudson" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:56:28 GMT, IsellJeeps wrote:
> > very true Jerry...you get the worst price if they "dealer trade" from
> > somewhere else because the dealer loses the "holdback" money which on a
> > wrangler is around 400-500 bucks.
>
> What is "holdback"?
>

It's money that the dealer gets from the manufacturer in order to offset the
dealers financing costs (interest) on the vehicle. Usually somewhere around
2-3%.

"Derrick Hudson" > wrote in message
...
> Yeah, the dealer here in New York (no, not New York /City/) told me
> the black top wasn't available with Patriot Blue.

heh.....he was trying to sell you what he had in stock. i dont think you
can even get the grey anymore unless its a leftover.


> The grey
> actually looks rather nice with the blue.

i just couldnt take to it....just couldnt stomach the grey. my dealer told
me that if i bought stock that he would pay to have the top/fenders
rhino-lined black but that wouldnt work to well on the soft top. :-)


> At least you can scrape the ice off and run the defogger in the winter
> :-).

i got dual tops with my '03 rubicon
http://7slotgrille.com/jeepers/tj/nathan/index.html and regretted it. the
hard top was nice to have when i wanted it, but those times arent often
enough to justify another $1800.


>> and manual transmissions.
>
> Who buys anything else? ;-)

rock crawlers. :-)


> Is it possible to order a Sport with the
> lower-grade stereo, I wonder?

i dunno. i tried to order my rubicon with the 4 speaker system but the 7
speaker/sub-woofer is now standard on the rubicon. ill probably pull it
out, i got that on my last rubicon and it took up to much room. i couldnt
even fit my 1911 in the center console. on my '00 sahara with the standard
console i think i coulda put my ar15 in it. :-)

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http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com

AR15s should be swivel mounted on the roll bar.

Nathan W. Collier wrote:
> i dunno. i tried to order my rubicon with the 4 speaker system but the 7
> speaker/sub-woofer is now standard on the rubicon. ill probably pull it
> out, i got that on my last rubicon and it took up to much room. i couldnt
> even fit my 1911 in the center console. on my '00 sahara with the standard
> console i think i coulda put my ar15 in it. :-)
>

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tw

71 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940

Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.

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HHmm I got my 2004 Columbia Edition Wrangler, sticker $22850, in a
dealer swap for $18000 and 0% interest.

I don't think they lost the hold back.
--
Tim

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"IsellJeeps" > wrote in message
m...
> very true Jerry...you get the worst price if they "dealer trade"
> from
> somewhere else because the dealer loses the "holdback" money which
> on a
> wrangler is around 400-500 bucks.
>
>
> "Jerry Bransford" > wrote in message
> news:mL7Qd.11074$Tt.2421@fed1read05...
>> Something that few people realize is that a dealer will ALWAYS be
>> more
>> willing to wheel and deal on a vehicle that is already on his lot
>> than
>> one that is ordered. Definitely. And that means that if you
>> negotiate,
>> you can usually get a better "enough" price on that vehicle on the
>> lot,
>> enough so that those extra options you don't want can be "free" if
>> compared to what the ordered vehicle will end up costing.
>>
>> A dealer will always prefer selling something he is already paying
>> for
>> that is taking up space on the lot and will, once again, always
>> give a
>> better deal on that than one he has to order and wait for. This is
>> also
>> true for one he can do a dealer trade or dealer locate since both
>> dealers want to unload that vehicle already on the lot.
>> Definitely.
>>
>> Jerry
>>
>> twaldron wrote:
>> > This is Nathan's purchase, but I'm going to give my opinion
>> > anyway...
>> > I order because there is generally always extra options on the
>> > lot
>> > vehicle or they don't have something I wanted. Also, you have an
>> > added
>> > cost in 'locating' a vehicle and transporting it to the selling
>> > dealer.
>> > I buy around invoice or below so those charges are just plain
>> > annoying
>> > to me. Besides, sometimes the window sticker has my name on it!
>> >
>> >
>> > Intergate wrote:
>> >
>> >> Just wondering why you ordered one. There are so many on the
>> >> lots
>> >> around here I could not imagine not finding one already built
>> >> with
>> >> what you wanted or have them get one from a dealer swap.
>> >>
>> >
>>
>> --
>> Jerry Bransford
>> PP-ASEL N6TAY
>> See the Geezer Jeep at
>> http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/
>
>

Cool I did not know they did that.

Like I said though around here there a three Jeep Dealers with Much
many Wranglers of every kind and color, although when I bought mine
none had yellow so I had them go get me one. They were supposed to
charge me $100 to get it but never did. I have bought a few vehicles
from them though

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Tim

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"Nathan W. Collier" > wrote in message
...
> "Intergate" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> although your message was in response to twaldrons post, ill assume
> it was directed to me and respond.
>
>
>> Just wondering why you ordered one. There are so many on the lots
>> around here I could not imagine not finding one already built with
>> what you wanted or have them get one from a dealer swap.
>
> all the rubicons on the local lots here in billings montana had the
> grey tops with grey fenders. they also all had dual tops and manual
> transmissions. by ordering it im getting the exact jeep i want with
> nothing i dont. seeing "built especially for nathan w. collier" on
> the window sticker is a bonus. :-)
>
> --
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://7SlotGrille.com
> http://UtilityOffRoad.com
>

Nice visual...... brought back memories of watching the Rat Patrol when I
was a kid.

-Tracy
'85 CJ7

"twaldron" > wrote in message
news
> AR15s should be swivel mounted on the roll bar.
>
> Nathan W. Collier wrote:
>> i dunno. i tried to order my rubicon with the 4 speaker system but the 7
>> speaker/sub-woofer is now standard on the rubicon. ill probably pull it
>> out, i got that on my last rubicon and it took up to much room. i
>> couldnt even fit my 1911 in the center console. on my '00 sahara with
>> the standard console i think i coulda put my ar15 in it. :-)
>>
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
>
> 71 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
> 03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> Pronunciation: 'jEp
> Function: noun
> Date: 1940
>
> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
> 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
> World War II.
>
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
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