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"Wolfgang Pawlinetz" > schreef in bericht news > R@L schrieb: > > >Hear hear! > > >I thought I was they only one knowing that the best tires should be in the > >rear. > >Now I know there's at least someone else. > > Can you elaborate? > > Why would it be better to have less friction in the front on a front > driven car? That supports understeering, doesn't it? The rear wheels > just roll along. What's the error here? I believe it was when you're breaking into a slippery corner, it's for the average driver *easier* to escape from an understear (rear-tyres ok) then from an oversteer-situation (rear-tyres too 'slick'). The way the car goes with the least grip on the front will go in a straight line, when the least grip is on the back, the car will spin. -- Dan |
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"Wolfgang Pawlinetz" > wrote in message news > R@L schrieb: > > >Hear hear! > > >I thought I was they only one knowing that the best tires should be in the > >rear. > >Now I know there's at least someone else. > > Can you elaborate? > > Why would it be better to have less friction in the front on a front > driven car? That supports understeering, doesn't it? The rear wheels > just roll along. What's the error here? > > Regards > > Wolfgang Understeer is corrected easily by releasing the throttel. Oversteer is difficult to cope with and needs a lot of space to correct. So in corners you prefer understeer and put the worn tires in front -it's always better not to use worn tires. Ronald > -- > * Audi A6 Avant TDI * > * reply to wolfgang dot pawlinetz at chello dot at * |
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"R@L" > wrote in message ... > > > > "Wolfgang Pawlinetz" > wrote in message > news > > R@L schrieb: > > > > >Hear hear! > > > > >I thought I was they only one knowing that the best tires should be in > the > > >rear. > > >Now I know there's at least someone else. > > > > Can you elaborate? > > > > Why would it be better to have less friction in the front on a front > > driven car? That supports understeering, doesn't it? The rear wheels > > just roll along. What's the error here? > > > > Regards > > > > Wolfgang > > > Understeer is corrected easily by releasing the throttel. > Oversteer is difficult to cope with and needs a lot of space to correct. > So in corners you prefer understeer and put the worn tires in front -it's > always better not to use worn tires. > > Ronald > > > > > -- Don't the tyre manufacturers themselves recommend that the tyres with most tread go on the rear - to protect themselves from liability? -- Doug Ramage [watch spam trap] |
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On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:54:11 +0200, Wolfgang Pawlinetz >
wrote: > Jay Somerset schrieb: > > >If you are able to brake in a completely straight line, on a smooth surface, > >with absolutely constant coefficient of friction, then the rear tires will > >probably stay in line behind the front. Deviations from this ideal condition > >will require some quick reaction on the steering to keep the car straight. > > > >However, if you hit a patch on the road with appreciably different traction, > >or if the right wheels encounter a different situation thasn the left, even > >fast steering reaction may not be enough to prevent the rear from coming > >around. Or if you are turning and still have to slow down (bad planning; > >unexpected obstacle, etc.) > > This is entirely true for a non ABS car. But wrong for an Audi (or any > other car wit ABS). BTDT myself more then once. We trained that on a 3 > day handling/track training class and with the ABS on a full power > brake with the left side on perfect race tarmac and the right side on > deliberately slippery surface (a special surface which gets slippery > like ice when wettened) it only required the slightest bit of > countersteer, and I mean just a bit, to keep a straight line. All cars > without ABS went off the track unless the would open the brakes, > re-align and hit the brakes hard again. I agree that ABS does make the problem largely go away, at least with braking, but on cornering the traction system is not as efficient in counteracting differential front/rear grip. if there is a marked difference in tread depth, I would put the better tires on the rear, even with AWD. > > >A slight bit of understeer is not bad -- you just have to approach your > >corners a bit differently than if you had oversteer. A lot of understeer is > >not good -- neither is a lot of oversteer. > > Yep. Agreed. > > >While a "expert driver" might get away with an oversteering car, the > >presciption to put the better tires on the rear is proper for "the average > >driver" and certainly safest for those with no clue at all. :-) > > Hmmm. > > Regards > > Wolfgang |
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