Boat/Ship engines/cooling system.

hls wrote:
>
> Well, BP HAS changed over the years. I have worked with them.,
> given presentations to them at their main site in Sunbury, England, etc
> etc, and
> I believe them to be concerned and very intelligent.
>
> When this sort of thing happens, every slipshod news commentator in the
> world wants to stir up the kettle.
>
> Surely, there was an accident..... I dont know whose fault it was. It
> could
> lie along several lines.
>
> When an accident like this happens in high technology environs, there are
> several possibilities...One is that an act of God happened, and that things
> just went to ****.
>
> Another is that one or another or several contractors just screwed up and
> a catastrophe happened.
>
> Just hold on. The answer will come to light.

I agree. I have spent about 1/2 my life in the oil
industry. Much of it on rigs as a cementer or well site geologist,
onshore, offshore, and on barges.
People that have not worked in this industry cannot understand the
immensity, the complexity, and the danger.

"Paul" > wrote in message
>
> I agree. I have spent about 1/2 my life in the oil
> industry. Much of it on rigs as a cementer or well site geologist,
> onshore, offshore, and on barges.
> People that have not worked in this industry cannot understand the
> immensity, the complexity, and the danger.
>

Absolutely. I took it very seriously. You know, when some of my
friends have been killed, it was just the intersection of a ton of really
slim possibilities that no one could have foreseen, and taken one on
one would not have been fatal. A momentary lapse in judgement can
be one of those intersecting vectors.

Paul > wrote in
:

> hls wrote:

>>
>> Just hold on. The answer will come to light.
>
> I agree. I have spent about 1/2 my life in the oil
> industry. Much of it on rigs as a cementer or well site geologist,
> onshore, offshore, and on barges.
> People that have not worked in this industry cannot understand the
> immensity, the complexity, and the danger.
>
>


I'm not disputing that. I'm just saying that trouble seems to follow some
companies around more closely than others. That's not an industry
characteristic, but one specific to particular companies.


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Tegger

"hls" > wrote in
:

>
> "Paul" > wrote in message
>>
>> I agree. I have spent about 1/2 my life in the oil
>> industry. Much of it on rigs as a cementer or well site geologist,
>> onshore, offshore, and on barges.
>> People that have not worked in this industry cannot understand the
>> immensity, the complexity, and the danger.
>>
>
> Absolutely. I took it very seriously. You know, when some of my
> friends have been killed, it was just the intersection of a ton of really
> slim possibilities that no one could have foreseen, and taken one on
> one would not have been fatal. A momentary lapse in judgement can
> be one of those intersecting vectors.
>


BP workers seem to suffer from "momentary lapses" much more often than,
say, ExxonMobil's workers. Strange, that.

BP's people get killed; the environuts are OK with BP. ExxonMobil's people
don't get killed; the environuts hate Exxon with a passion. Go figure.


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Tegger

"Tegger" > wrote in message
>
> I'm not disputing that. I'm just saying that trouble seems to follow some
> companies around more closely than others. That's not an industry
> characteristic, but one specific to particular companies.

> Tegger

While I dont challenge what you say, the earlier BP I knew was a leader in
safety, techniques, research. They (once upon a time) paid a lot of
attention to quality programs in all areas. If they have slacked off,
(which could be the case) it is a shame.

When Sir John stepped down, things may have gone a bit queer.

On the web,
Oil Seeps

Oil naturally seeping up from under the water off the coast of
california, in the Gulf of Mexico, and wherever else.Who knows how long
that has been going on? Only The Shadow knows.
cuhulin

wrote in
:

> BP and Shell has had some problems before concerning offshore oil rigs
> in the North Sea.BP and Shell and who knows which other oil
> company/companies?
>
There are rigs off Newfoundland now (it's called Hybernia) - made
by the exact same company that made the failed one in the Gulf
and a professor at Memorial University (in St. Johns) is adamant
that these things *will* happen over and over unless proper safety
measures are taken. We have the same problem up here because we
have our own version of Scrub in a minority Govt. up here and no
opposition with any attachments whatsoever.

At one point our federal Government bought out The Canadian divisions
of BP and Fina here and formed a national run oil company to keep the
industry in check. The majority of voting shares is now no longer in
Government hands due to the other party getting in since then.

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"hls" > wrote in
:

>
> > wrote in message
> ...
>> Four people from my home State were on that offshore oil rig when it
>> exploded.They haven't been found, they won't be found.
>> I don't know if that oil/sluge can damage Boat/Ship engines or not if
>> it gets into the water cooling passages.I assume if too much of it
>> builds up in there it can/will cause the engine(s) to overheat.Gummy
>> sticky stuff.
>> cuhulin
>
> The primary death sentence was the initial blowout explosion.
> The platform, IIUC, has sunk. There will be, AFAIK, no survivors
> that have not already been identified.
>
> Now, the investigators will try to find out what really happened.
>
> I have worked offshore a lot. In my experience, we were trained to
> do the best we could with safety procedures. But some incidents can
> negate any safety procedure you can imagine.
>
Like having no backup for the pipe breaking at the sea floor for example.
You're dead wrong there, quite probably due to company misinformation,
but still wrong.


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"chuckcar" > wrote in message
...
> "hls" > wrote in
> :
>
>>
>> > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Four people from my home State were on that offshore oil rig when it
>>> exploded.They haven't been found, they won't be found.
>>> I don't know if that oil/sluge can damage Boat/Ship engines or not if
>>> it gets into the water cooling passages.I assume if too much of it
>>> builds up in there it can/will cause the engine(s) to overheat.Gummy
>>> sticky stuff.
>>> cuhulin
>>
>> The primary death sentence was the initial blowout explosion.
>> The platform, IIUC, has sunk. There will be, AFAIK, no survivors
>> that have not already been identified.
>>
>> Now, the investigators will try to find out what really happened.
>>
>> I have worked offshore a lot. In my experience, we were trained to
>> do the best we could with safety procedures. But some incidents can
>> negate any safety procedure you can imagine.
>>
> Like having no backup for the pipe breaking at the sea floor for example.
> You're dead wrong there, quite probably due to company misinformation,
> but still wrong.
>

Let's find out what happened before we come to conclusions.

"chuckcar" > wrote in message
...
> wrote in
> :
>
>> BP and Shell has had some problems before concerning offshore oil rigs
>> in the North Sea.BP and Shell and who knows which other oil
>> company/companies?
>>
> There are rigs off Newfoundland now (it's called Hybernia) - made
> by the exact same company that made the failed one in the Gulf
> and a professor at Memorial University (in St. Johns) is adamant
> that these things *will* happen over and over unless proper safety
> measures are taken. We have the same problem up here because we
> have our own version of Scrub in a minority Govt. up here and no
> opposition with any attachments whatsoever.
>
> At one point our federal Government bought out The Canadian divisions
> of BP and Fina here and formed a national run oil company to keep the
> industry in check. The majority of voting shares is now no longer in
> Government hands due to the other party getting in since then.
>
> --
> (setq (chuck nil) car(chuck) )

University professors are notorious for such pronouncements.

What does he want them to do, exactly? It is easy to say that
safety measures are inadequate after the fact.

Most major oil companies have their pick of PhDs. Sometimes they
actually listen to them. (And sometimes not)