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"fred" > wrote in message ... > "C. E. White" > wrote in > : > >> >> "fred" > wrote in message >> ... >> >>> All the government has to do is say, "As part of being allowed to >>> sell >>> cars here, you are required to provide the source code and circuit >>> diagrams for all electronics in your cars to DOT upon release of >>> the >>> model to the market." It may very well already be true. >> >> Let's say that all car manufacturers give all this information to >> NHTSA, who at NHTSA is going to read and understand it? >> > An automotive and/or electronic engineer employed by the government. > They *do* exist you know - government employees with useful degrees. > Do you think they rely on uneducated paper pushers any time there's > a > plane crash? No the same! How many planes crashes a year? 50? They have a dedicated teams of experts for that., maybe 50 people. Air planes may be complicated, but they make changes reatively slowly. How many experts would it take to review all the documents from all the auto manufacturers? I suppose they could have a team of experts available, but wouldn't they just request the documents they need at the time of an investigation? I can't see the value in piling up reams of documentation that that no one would have time to evaluate. Ed |
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On Mar 7, 5:49*pm, fred > wrote:
> john > wrote : > All the government has to do is say, "As part of being allowed to sell > cars here, you are required to provide the source code and circuit > diagrams for all electronics in your cars to DOT upon release of the > model to the market." It may very well already be true. I posted this link and the quote more than a month ago. Toyota will be on board with EDRs, in about two years. > Another Toyota approach might be to get on board with its event data recorders. Here's a press release from Toyota from Sept. 2008 on its EDRs: http://pressroom.toyota.com/pr/tms/e...ers-93447.aspx Here's what they say about their EDR program: "A specialized tool set is required to read out data that may be contained within an EDR equipped ECU. At this time, there is only one prototype Toyota readout tool in the United States and only specially designated Toyota personnel use it. The tool set has not yet been scientifically validated, and at this time, Toyota does not have confidence that the readout reports it generates are accurate. "Nevertheless, Toyota will access the data when it receives a written request from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) for its Special Crash Investigations program, but only with NHTSA's assurance that the vehicle owner has given written permission and no personal identifying information about the owner will be published. Toyota also will access the data to assist law enforcement in criminal investigations, when presented with a valid court order or a search warrant. "In accordance with a 2006 NHTSA rule stating that if a manufacturer equips a vehicle with an EDR, then a tool must be made commercially available to download the data from that EDR. The compliance date is Sept. 1, 2012, the start of the 2013 model." Sometimes it's difficult to get the automobile owner's permission to release the data to NHTSA. Cheers, MD .. |
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"C. E. White" > wrote in
: > > "fred" > wrote in message > ... >> "C. E. White" > wrote in >> : >> >>> >>> "fred" > wrote in message >>> ... >>> >>>> All the government has to do is say, "As part of being allowed to >>>> sell >>>> cars here, you are required to provide the source code and circuit >>>> diagrams for all electronics in your cars to DOT upon release of >>>> the >>>> model to the market." It may very well already be true. >>> >>> Let's say that all car manufacturers give all this information to >>> NHTSA, who at NHTSA is going to read and understand it? >>> >> An automotive and/or electronic engineer employed by the government. >> They *do* exist you know - government employees with useful degrees. >> Do you think they rely on uneducated paper pushers any time there's >> a >> plane crash? > > No the same! How many planes crashes a year? 50? They have a dedicated > teams of experts for that., maybe 50 people. Air planes may be > complicated, but they make changes reatively slowly. How many experts > would it take to review all the documents from all the auto > manufacturers? I suppose they could have a team of experts available, > but wouldn't they just request the documents they need at the time of > an investigation? I can't see the value in piling up reams of > documentation that that no one would have time to evaluate. > Look, the problem right now is that *nobody* qualfied on the problem is talking to the press. That could be true for a number of reasons: 1. The constantly generated news by the press making feeble attempts of doing something that - at least outwardly - look like they're doing such. 2. The confidientiality agreements such investigators have. 3. The US has the manufacturere conduct such inquiries entirely on their own - it which case the US Govt' is *way* out of line with Toyota. I mean if they can't be bothered to investigate themselves, they're the last people to make judgements of those who are. The fact is that it's not getting anywere the way it is now. Hell we don't even know if the problem is really bad drivers, a car part or some method of out of warrenty modification people are doing. |
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