Used Oil Analysis of CAMRY'S Pennzoil Platinum 5w-30 after 4,920 miles

HLS wrote:

> A lot of people quote the benefits of synthetic, but dont have a bit of
> data to stand behind
> their claim.

Where would they get that data? It doesn't exist. Unless you want data
from Amsoil dealers, LOL.

"SMS" > wrote in message
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> ransley wrote:
>> On Jul 6, 2:08 pm, SMS > wrote:
>>> Scott Dorsey wrote:
>>>> You could buy three identical cars, keep changing the oil on all of
>>>> them
>>>> with a different kind of oil in each, and try and rotate your commute
>>>> around all three of them so you put about the same mileage on them.
>>>> Then
>>>> you could do long-term oil analysis on each and five or six years later
>>>> probably get a good idea of how each of the oils is doing. I could see
>>>> someone doing that.
>>> Such tests have been done, and no advantage was shown for synthetic oil.
>>> However they did not do extended change intervals. It could be that if
>>> they had gone 7500 or 10,000 miles between changes that they would have
>>> found an advantage to synthetic.
>>
>> If possibly you are saying synthetic has ho benefit put some regular
>> oil and syn in the deep freeze and see which one pours at -15f better,
>> it also doesnt burn up in high heat like regular oil. Cold startup can
>> really starve a motor of oil.
>
> Yes, in extremely cold climates, and in very high performance engines that
> run very hot, there's an advantage to synthetic. The issue is that so many
> people use synthetic in mild climates and in normal engines, and also
> don't extend the oil change interval. They're throwing money away because
> all the tests show no benefit.

Bull****.

"HLS" > wrote in message
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>
> "ransley" > wrote in message
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>
> Not extreme cold is needed to benefit, even at 20-30f oils dont flow
> as well as they do when warm, also there is a group of earlier toyotas
> known to sludge and ruin motors from the motors higher operating temp,
> synthetic would have been a big benefit to them. I use it, I notice a
> diference, oil is cheap compared to a new motor.
>
> ************
> Talk is cheap, data isnt.
> Oil IS cheap compared with a new motor. Our Avalon has a 6.4 quart change
> volume
> and recommended change mileage of 5000 or less.
> Synthetic is no benefit to me.
>
> A lot of people quote the benefits of synthetic, but dont have a bit of
> data to stand behind
> their claim.
>
> BS = BS

What kind of stupid ****ing asshole pays $30,000 for a vehicle then quibbles
over a measly view dollars re synthetic oil vs dino oil?

Scott Dorsey wrote:
>
> The problem is that to do long-term oil analyses and keep accurate plots
> for years on end is an expensive proposition... much more expensive than
> the oil changes you might save. But you can do it if you're inclined to
> do such things.
>
> You could buy three identical cars, keep changing the oil on all of them
> with a different kind of oil in each, and try and rotate your commute
> around all three of them so you put about the same mileage on them. Then
> you could do long-term oil analysis on each and five or six years later
> probably get a good idea of how each of the oils is doing. I could see
> someone doing that.
>


I've thought about the oil analysis stuff in the past.
Instead, I currently own two 1990 vintage Chevys (Beretta and 1/2 ton.)
They both have about 150,000 miles.
Neither of them has had the heads off or rings or bearings done.
Both of them still run fine.
Rust will take them both first.

I'm actually amazed the truck still works - I blew the intake last
winter and filled the motor with chocolate goo. I was so cheap I reused
the valve cover gaskets because I thought the motor was a goner. I
swear, the damn thing has more power than it used to! Probably because
I timed it by ear... probably one degree away from spark knocking the
rings into pieces...

My point is... oil analysis may be cool, but it's pretty much pointless.
You'll be tired of the car before the car is tired.

Ray

"SMS" > wrote in message
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> HLS wrote:
>
>> A lot of people quote the benefits of synthetic, but dont have a bit of
>> data to stand behind
>> their claim.
>
> Where would they get that data? It doesn't exist. Unless you want data
> from Amsoil dealers, LOL.

That is my point.. There is a "black hole" that real data never seems to
emerge from.
Lots of claims, lots of opinions, but very little meaningful data.

"Sharx35" > wrote in message
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>
> "HLS" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "ransley" > wrote in message
>> news:62f2b4f5-92bd-49e4-abd1-
>>
>> Not extreme cold is needed to benefit, even at 20-30f oils dont flow
>> as well as they do when warm, also there is a group of earlier toyotas
>> known to sludge and ruin motors from the motors higher operating temp,
>> synthetic would have been a big benefit to them. I use it, I notice a
>> diference, oil is cheap compared to a new motor.
>>
>> ************
>> Talk is cheap, data isnt.
>> Oil IS cheap compared with a new motor. Our Avalon has a 6.4 quart
>> change volume
>> and recommended change mileage of 5000 or less.
>> Synthetic is no benefit to me.
>>
>> A lot of people quote the benefits of synthetic, but dont have a bit of
>> data to stand behind
>> their claim.
>>
>> BS = BS
>
> What kind of stupid ****ing asshole pays $30,000 for a vehicle then
> quibbles over a measly view dollars re synthetic oil vs dino oil?

Nearer $40,000, asshole.

HLS wrote:
>
> "Sharx35" > wrote in message
> news:Y5U4m.35299$PH1.12888@edtnps82...
>>
>> "HLS" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "ransley" > wrote in message
>>> news:62f2b4f5-92bd-49e4-abd1-
>>>
>>> Not extreme cold is needed to benefit, even at 20-30f oils dont flow
>>> as well as they do when warm, also there is a group of earlier toyotas
>>> known to sludge and ruin motors from the motors higher operating temp,
>>> synthetic would have been a big benefit to them. I use it, I notice a
>>> diference, oil is cheap compared to a new motor.
>>>
>>> ************
>>> Talk is cheap, data isnt.
>>> Oil IS cheap compared with a new motor. Our Avalon has a 6.4 quart
>>> change volume
>>> and recommended change mileage of 5000 or less.
>>> Synthetic is no benefit to me.
>>>
>>> A lot of people quote the benefits of synthetic, but dont have a bit
>>> of data to stand behind
>>> their claim.
>>>
>>> BS = BS
>>
>> What kind of stupid ****ing asshole pays $30,000 for a vehicle then
>> quibbles over a measly view dollars re synthetic oil vs dino oil?
>
> Nearer $40,000, asshole.
Man, the internet tough guys are out in force. Calling you names from
the comfort and distance of her PC takes real balls.

--
Toyota MDT in MO

"Toyota MDT in MO" > wrote in message
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>>>
>>> What kind of stupid ****ing asshole pays $30,000 for a vehicle then
>>> quibbles over a measly view dollars re synthetic oil vs dino oil?
>>
>> Nearer $40,000, asshole.
> Man, the internet tough guys are out in force. Calling you names from the
> comfort and distance of her PC takes real balls.
>
> --
> Toyota MDT in MO

From a person like this, I can laugh off name-calling ;>)

Michael > wrote:
>
>Electrophoresis plates for soy sauce? Why, how, ??? !!! ???
>
>Use Datu Puti (cheap, tastes good) and you're done.

That's good if you're making lumpia but it's different than typical
Chinese soy sauces... and the Chinese sauces come in a variety of
different densities and sweetnesses, for various different table and
cooking applications.

The plates were very interesting. We found, for instance, that Pearl
River Bridge Gold Label is identical to the cheaper and lower grade
Pearl River Bridge sauce, except with more water and salt added. And
also that there are a lot of companies selling Pearl River Bridge sauce
that isn't actually the real thing at all. It seems that that brand has
enough of a name that other Chinese companies are printing labels with
that name on it.

Oh... another interesting thing we found is that the heavy sauces almost
always have less wheat than the table sauces, which is important if you
are cooking for people who can't handle wheat proteins. Some of the
sauces that claim to use peanuts instead of wheat will actually use
wheat anyway because it's cheaper.

Let's hear it for Chinese quality control...
--scott
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"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

SMS > wrote:
>HLS wrote:
>
>> A lot of people quote the benefits of synthetic, but dont have a bit of
>> data to stand behind
>> their claim.
>
>Where would they get that data? It doesn't exist. Unless you want data
>from Amsoil dealers, LOL.

And there is the rub.

There probably ARE some people who have done good controlled studies
on the subject, but they aren't going to be telling anyone about them
because that's valuable proprietary information.
--scott
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"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."