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Rev Turd Fredericks wrote:
> On Mon, 6 Dec 2004 17:28:23 -0500, "Matt O'Toole" > > wrote: > >> Rev Turd Fredericks wrote: >> >>> I got about 32mpg on a recent trip in my new 2004 Saturn coupe and >>> that was in rather hilly terrain at 75-80mph (cruise control on most >>> of the trip between Irvine CA and Laughlin NV ), so it isn't that >>> bad. If the original poster wants to look at getting an ION he >>> should definately consider the leather interior, it makes a huge >>> difference as far as comfort and overall feel of the car. >> >> 32 MPG on the open road in a modern small car simply stinks. A >> Corolla or Civic will do nearly 40. A BMW 3 Series can do 34 MPG, >> despite being much larger and heavier, and having 50% more >> horsepower. Heck, my '85 325e with over 300k on it did that well. >> The ION has not advanced technologically at all since the original >> S-Series. >> > You have obviously never driven in California. You climb to 5000ft, > then go down a bit and then up another 1000ft down to 900ft etc. all > at 80+ mph, 32mpg is pretty good. Maybe if driving in, say Iowa or > Michigan it might not be good to get 32mpg but it's pretty good in > California. I lived in southern CA until 2 years ago. I drove at least 20k miles a year there for 20 years, with several years over 50k. Much of that driving was over the mountains and through the deserts on the very roads you describe. I also have plenty of experience with all kinds of cars, both mine and other people's, plus rentals, plus test vehicles from various auto industry/research entities I've worked for. Again, 32 MPG for a small car on the open road is unimpressive at best. Geez, a friend's *'83 Cadillac Eldorado* got 30 MPG on the way to Palm Springs. You'd think 20 years and 1000 LB less mass would yield more improvement. If it makes you feel any better, the Ford Focus isn't too great on gas either. Not that it matters much to most people anyway, in comparison to car payments and insurance. Matt O. .. |
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On Wed, 8 Dec 2004 13:25:52 -0500, "Matt O'Toole" >
wrote: >Rev Turd Fredericks wrote: > >> On Mon, 6 Dec 2004 17:28:23 -0500, "Matt O'Toole" > >> wrote: >> >>> Rev Turd Fredericks wrote: >>> >>>> I got about 32mpg on a recent trip in my new 2004 Saturn coupe and >>>> that was in rather hilly terrain at 75-80mph (cruise control on most >>>> of the trip between Irvine CA and Laughlin NV ), so it isn't that >>>> bad. If the original poster wants to look at getting an ION he >>>> should definately consider the leather interior, it makes a huge >>>> difference as far as comfort and overall feel of the car. >>> >>> 32 MPG on the open road in a modern small car simply stinks. A >>> Corolla or Civic will do nearly 40. A BMW 3 Series can do 34 MPG, >>> despite being much larger and heavier, and having 50% more >>> horsepower. Heck, my '85 325e with over 300k on it did that well. >>> The ION has not advanced technologically at all since the original >>> S-Series. >>> >> You have obviously never driven in California. You climb to 5000ft, >> then go down a bit and then up another 1000ft down to 900ft etc. all >> at 80+ mph, 32mpg is pretty good. Maybe if driving in, say Iowa or >> Michigan it might not be good to get 32mpg but it's pretty good in >> California. > >I lived in southern CA until 2 years ago. I drove at least 20k miles a year >there for 20 years, with several years over 50k. Much of that driving was over >the mountains and through the deserts on the very roads you describe. I also >have plenty of experience with all kinds of cars, both mine and other people's, >plus rentals, plus test vehicles from various auto industry/research entities >I've worked for. > >Again, 32 MPG for a small car on the open road is unimpressive at best. Geez, a >friend's *'83 Cadillac Eldorado* got 30 MPG on the way to Palm Springs. You'd >think 20 years and 1000 LB less mass would yield more improvement. > >If it makes you feel any better, the Ford Focus isn't too great on gas either. >Not that it matters much to most people anyway, in comparison to car payments >and insurance. > >Matt O. >. > I don't believe for an instant that an 83 eldorado got 30 mpg on those roads unless it had a honda engine in it and was only going 30mph. Hell those cars would burn a gallon backing out of the driveway. The BMW I have no idea about, but an eldorado no way :-) In any event, I'm not really concerned that much about gas mileage because I do very little driving, but I thought at 32mpg my car was pretty average. |
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On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 16:06:06 GMT, Blah blah > wrote:
>In article >, says... > >> I don't believe for an instant that an 83 eldorado got 30 mpg on those >> roads unless it had a honda engine in it and was only going 30mph. >> Hell those cars would burn a gallon backing out of the driveway. The >> BMW I have no idea about, but an eldorado no way :-) In any event, I'm >> not really concerned that much about gas mileage because I do very >> little driving, but I thought at 32mpg my car was pretty average. >> > >A Honda would get 5mpg. No way in hell it would move a Caddy with any >efficiency unless maybe you had 20 gears. Besides that a 83 probably >only made 100hp (lot more in torque)... I dont think these guys had any >math classes. I doubt that caddy makes over 20mpg. http://www.100megsfree4.com/cadillac/cad1980/cad82.htm reports the 1982 highway for Seville/Eldorado was 27mpg. Of course, that is an EPA estimate which we all know don't hold up in the real world. Math class was not required though as apparently, (in 1982 anyway) they had some sort of fuel data calculator built into the instruments. -- 10 things men know about women: 1)?2)?3)?4)?5)?6)?7)?8)?9)?10) women have breasts |
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In article >,
says... > On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 16:06:06 GMT, Blah blah > wrote: > > >In article >, > says... > > > >> I don't believe for an instant that an 83 eldorado got 30 mpg on those > >> roads unless it had a honda engine in it and was only going 30mph. > >> Hell those cars would burn a gallon backing out of the driveway. The > >> BMW I have no idea about, but an eldorado no way :-) In any event, I'm > >> not really concerned that much about gas mileage because I do very > >> little driving, but I thought at 32mpg my car was pretty average. > >> > > > >A Honda would get 5mpg. No way in hell it would move a Caddy with any > >efficiency unless maybe you had 20 gears. Besides that a 83 probably > >only made 100hp (lot more in torque)... I dont think these guys had any > >math classes. I doubt that caddy makes over 20mpg. > > http://www.100megsfree4.com/cadillac/cad1980/cad82.htm > > reports the 1982 highway for Seville/Eldorado was 27mpg. Of course, > that is an EPA estimate which we all know don't hold up in the real > world. Math class was not required though as apparently, (in 1982 > anyway) they had some sort of fuel data calculator built into the > instruments. > > -- > 10 things men know about women: > 1)?2)?3)?4)?5)?6)?7)?8)?9)?10) women have breasts The Jap SUV's and Vans have been doing a pretty good job of tricking the EPA's treadmills. Not sure how they pull it off. |
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Blah blah > wrote: > The Jap SUV's and Vans have been doing a pretty good job of tricking the > EPA's treadmills. Not sure how they pull it off. Same way Honda and Toyota did it a few years ago when they got busted or emissions - the computer can apparently detect a test cycle (somehow?) and kick into a supereconomy test mode. They got into a bit of trouble with the EPA over this a few years ago w.r.t. emissions testing, when it was revealed that certain cars would kick into a low emissions mode durring the test cycle... |
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Blah blah wrote:
> The Jap SUV's and Vans have been doing a pretty good job of tricking > the EPA's treadmills. Not sure how they pull it off. There's no trick to it. Just gear the car really tall so the engine is barely ticking over in top gear at test speed. Often this results in poor real-world performance, because most people would be driving a gear or two lower in the same situation. Any car will get phenomenal mileage going slowly in top gear. I've gotten over 70 MPG in my Rabbit Diesel, going 45-50 MPH on an Interstate in a snowstorm. Similarly, I got 40 MPG in my '85 318i, which usually got 25-27 MPG. Matt O. |
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"EDeneen" > wrote in message ... > >The only > >problem we've all had were alternators, which go out every 70k like clockwork > > The original alternator in my SL lasted over 120,000 miles ! > E What year is your SL and is it an SL1 or SL2 ? The original on my 94 SL1 made it just past the warrant, The one I got at the dealer to replace it made it just past its 3 year warranty. The one I got a local Chevy dealer only had a 1 year warranty but is still working. ron |
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