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Usually I get 24 miles to the gallon for stop-and-go city driving with the '06 Camry LE, but this last tankful I got 28 city. I really babied the accelerator pedal this time and, of course, have plenty of air in the tires. I had Shell V-Power premium in the tank this time (for its exceptional detergent levels), but usually I just put in a regular grade. I had Hy-Vee Grocery Store premium in there two tankfuls back, and thought the car was idling kinda rough sometimes while stopped, so I thought some Shell V-Power was in order to help clean out any minute amounts of potential gunk I might have gotten from the Hy-Vee gas. When I asked him, the Hy-Vee manager said his gas met the Top Tier standard, but Hy-Vee is not on the list of Top Tier stations at toptiergas.com, so I doubt Hy-Vee is Top Tier. On Hy-Vee, the car once idled at only 600 rpm; I've never seen it idle so low. Usually 650 to 700 is the lowest it'll idle at. It could have been a coincidence that the one 600 idle happened under Hy-Vee. Quoting the Break Time page at the MFA Oil web site: "TOP TIER Gasoline is a new class of gasoline with enhanced detergency. It meets new, voluntary deposit control standards developed by four automotive companies - BMW, General Motors, Honda and Toyota - that exceed the detergent requirements imposed by the EPA. "TOP TIER Gasoline keeps engine parts cleaner by reducing fuel-related deposits, resulting in better performance. A lower level of detergent may cause a buildup of deposits on critical engine parts. These deposits can cause stalling, rough idling, lowered acceleration and other unnecessary problems in your vehicle--and your life. "TOP TIER Gasoline: * Improves fuel efficiency * Prevents driving upsets (rough idle, hesitation, stalling and surge) * Improves acceleration * Provides more power * Reduces emissions * Cleans dirty engines and keeps new engines clean MFA Oil Company is proud to join industry leaders by requiring TOP TIER Gasoline with higher levels of detergent in all grades and every gallon of gasoline at Break Time Convenience Stores. Link: http://www.mfaoil.com/index.cfm?show=10&mid=14&pid=4 |
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On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:02:09 -0700, Built_Well wrote:
> I had Hy-Vee Grocery Store premium Ugh. This is about the same as Getty, Gibbs, Hess, etc regular. It's usually bottom of the barrel gas. I like my cars a lot better than that... |
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Hachiroku wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:02:09 -0700, Built_Well wrote: > > > I had Hy-Vee Grocery Store premium > > ======== > > Ugh. This is about the same as Getty, Gibbs, Hess, etc regular. > It's usually bottom of the barrel gas. > > I like my cars a lot better than that... ======== That was the first and only time I'll use Hy-Vee gas. They're regular grade is 89 octane, just like their mid-grade and priced the same. But my car was using their 91 octane premium. They lost a customer....good place to buy groceries, though. |
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Built_Well wrote:
> Hachiroku wrote: >> On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:02:09 -0700, Built_Well wrote: >> >>> I had Hy-Vee Grocery Store premium >>> ======== >> Ugh. This is about the same as Getty, Gibbs, Hess, etc regular. >> It's usually bottom of the barrel gas. >> >> I like my cars a lot better than that... > ======== > > That was the first and only time I'll use Hy-Vee gas. > > They're regular grade is 89 octane, just like their mid-grade > and priced the same. But my car was using their 91 octane > premium. They lost a customer....good place to buy > groceries, though. Do you know what terminal they get their gas from? Wonder if it is Conoco, Exxon, or Shell? |
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"Paul" > wrote in message
. .. > Do you know what terminal they get their gas from? > Wonder if it is Conoco, Exxon, or Shell? Do you know additives they put in? They weren't the same ones used by Conoco, Exxon, or Shell retailers. |
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"Mark A" > wrote in message ... > "Paul" > wrote in message > . .. >> Do you know what terminal they get their gas from? >> Wonder if it is Conoco, Exxon, or Shell? > > Do you know additives they put in? They weren't the same ones used by > Conoco, Exxon, or Shell retailers. How do you know that? |
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After reviewing the list of TOP TIER Gasoline Retailers at their website,
http://www.toptiergas.com/retailers.html , I couldn't help but notice that Valero, one of the largest independent refiners in the eastern US, was not on the list. Here in Delaware, the Valero refinery in Delaware City was built in the mid 1950's specifically designed to handle sour crude. It is still in operation, providing numerous retail operations in this region, including Shell (which IS on the list) with their gasoline. If suppliers like Turkey Hill Minit Markets and Qwik Trip are identified as being Top Tier gasolinr retailers, why isn't Valero? Especially if they are supplying gasoline to companies that ARE on the list? "Built_Well" > wrote in message ... > > Usually I get 24 miles to the gallon for stop-and-go city > driving with the '06 Camry LE, but this last tankful I got > 28 city. I really babied the accelerator pedal this time > and, of course, have plenty of air in the tires. I had > Shell V-Power premium in the tank this time (for its > exceptional detergent levels), but usually I just put in > a regular grade. > > I had Hy-Vee Grocery Store premium in there two tankfuls > back, and thought the car was idling kinda rough sometimes > while stopped, so I thought some Shell V-Power was in > order to help clean out any minute amounts of potential > gunk I might have gotten from the Hy-Vee gas. > > When I asked him, the Hy-Vee manager said his gas met > the Top Tier standard, but Hy-Vee is not on the list > of Top Tier stations at toptiergas.com, so I doubt > Hy-Vee is Top Tier. > > On Hy-Vee, the car once idled at only 600 rpm; I've never > seen it idle so low. Usually 650 to 700 is the lowest it'll > idle at. It could have been a coincidence that the one 600 > idle happened under Hy-Vee. > > Quoting the Break Time page at the MFA Oil web site: > > "TOP TIER Gasoline is a new class of gasoline with enhanced > detergency. It meets new, voluntary deposit control standards > developed by four automotive companies - BMW, General Motors, > Honda and Toyota - that exceed the detergent requirements > imposed by the EPA. > > "TOP TIER Gasoline keeps engine parts cleaner by reducing > fuel-related deposits, resulting in better performance. > A lower level of detergent may cause a buildup of deposits on > critical engine parts. These deposits can cause stalling, > rough idling, lowered acceleration and other unnecessary > problems in your vehicle--and your life. > > "TOP TIER Gasoline: > > * Improves fuel efficiency > * Prevents driving upsets (rough idle, hesitation, stalling > and surge) > * Improves acceleration > * Provides more power > * Reduces emissions > * Cleans dirty engines and keeps new engines clean > > MFA Oil Company is proud to join industry leaders by requiring > TOP TIER Gasoline with higher levels of detergent in all grades > and every gallon of gasoline at Break Time Convenience Stores. > > Link: http://www.mfaoil.com/index.cfm?show=10&mid=14&pid=4 |
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"doug" > wrote > If suppliers like Turkey Hill Minit Markets and Qwik Trip are > identified as being Top Tier gasolinr retailers, why isn't Valero? > Especially if they are supplying gasoline to companies that ARE on the > list? It's a matter of additives which are mixed with the gasoline at a later stage (at the distribution center). So, by adding specific additives/detergents, a company that receives plain gasoline from Valero can claim that their gas is "top tier". Valero choses not to include those detergents in sufficient quantities at their retail locations, hence they didn't make the list. Pete |
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On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:02:09 -0700 (PDT), Built_Well
> wrote: Actually one of our car mags here in the UK have just run an article on BP hi-grade gas & Diesel. They state that the claims for extra mileage is true but the most convincing for me at least is the test using an Audi V8 adapted to run one bank on regular gas/petrol and the other bank on BP Ultimate. They fitted cameras to the inside of the combustion chambers and the regular fuel side is a ****ty as hell and the BP Ultimate side is like a new stainless steel sink with no deposits and sparkling clean. You might see pics on the web "Car Mechanics" or "Kelsey Publishing" try - http://www.kelsey.co.uk Hugh > >Usually I get 24 miles to the gallon for stop-and-go city >driving with the '06 Camry LE, but this last tankful I got >28 city. I really babied the accelerator pedal this time >and, of course, have plenty of air in the tires. I had >Shell V-Power premium in the tank this time (for its >exceptional detergent levels), but usually I just put in >a regular grade. > >I had Hy-Vee Grocery Store premium in there two tankfuls >back, and thought the car was idling kinda rough sometimes >while stopped, so I thought some Shell V-Power was in >order to help clean out any minute amounts of potential >gunk I might have gotten from the Hy-Vee gas. > >When I asked him, the Hy-Vee manager said his gas met >the Top Tier standard, but Hy-Vee is not on the list >of Top Tier stations at toptiergas.com, so I doubt >Hy-Vee is Top Tier. > >On Hy-Vee, the car once idled at only 600 rpm; I've never >seen it idle so low. Usually 650 to 700 is the lowest it'll >idle at. It could have been a coincidence that the one 600 >idle happened under Hy-Vee. > >Quoting the Break Time page at the MFA Oil web site: > >"TOP TIER Gasoline is a new class of gasoline with enhanced >detergency. It meets new, voluntary deposit control standards >developed by four automotive companies - BMW, General Motors, >Honda and Toyota - that exceed the detergent requirements >imposed by the EPA. > >"TOP TIER Gasoline keeps engine parts cleaner by reducing >fuel-related deposits, resulting in better performance. >A lower level of detergent may cause a buildup of deposits on >critical engine parts. These deposits can cause stalling, >rough idling, lowered acceleration and other unnecessary >problems in your vehicle--and your life. > >"TOP TIER Gasoline: > >* Improves fuel efficiency >* Prevents driving upsets (rough idle, hesitation, stalling > and surge) >* Improves acceleration >* Provides more power >* Reduces emissions >* Cleans dirty engines and keeps new engines clean > >MFA Oil Company is proud to join industry leaders by requiring >TOP TIER Gasoline with higher levels of detergent in all grades >and every gallon of gasoline at Break Time Convenience Stores. > >Link: http://www.mfaoil.com/index.cfm?show=10&mid=14&pid=4 -- Sir Hugh of Bognor The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys. Intelligence is not knowing the answer but knowing where and how to find it! Hugh Gundersen Bognor Regis, W.Sussex, England, UK |
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