New Pacifica version

They are coming out with a 5 seater using the 3.8 engine instead of the 3.5.

That's progressive. Install a bigger fuel guzzler. Obviously, these
Germans don't take hints from each other. Porsche is making a deal to use
Toyota hybrid engine technology on their SUV's. Go figure.
Arthur

"Art" > wrote in message
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> They are coming out with a 5 seater using the 3.8 engine instead of the
> 3.5.
>

That's progressive. Install a bigger fuel guzzler. Obviously, these
Germans don't take hints from each other. Porsche is making a deal to use
Toyota hybrid engine technology on their SUV's. Go figure.
Arthur

"Art" > wrote in message
news
> They are coming out with a 5 seater using the 3.8 engine instead of the
> 3.5.
>

On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 01:10:07 +0100 (CET), Nomen Nescio
> wrote:

>The whole world is going diesel. Accept nothing less than a diesel. And
>make sure its a good diesel without that pesky timing belt. That's the
>mistake VW made. Their gas engine was great. A free running engine. But
>their diesel is a big loser because when that timing belt skips or breaks
>and it will skip or break on some cold morning, you're out a couple of
>grand for a new engine. It makes no sense to save a couple of C notes on
>gas and dump and engine which'll set you back a bunch of M bills. Yeah, I
>know they don't print them anymore. Ask yourself why, when a dollar was
>worth a buck you had $1000 bills and now that a dollar is asswipe, why the
>largest demonation is a $100?

what diesels do you know, that aren't interference engines,
and/or don't have timing belts?

(or were timing chains ok in your book?)

just curious.

On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 01:10:07 +0100 (CET), Nomen Nescio
> wrote:

>The whole world is going diesel. Accept nothing less than a diesel. And
>make sure its a good diesel without that pesky timing belt. That's the
>mistake VW made. Their gas engine was great. A free running engine. But
>their diesel is a big loser because when that timing belt skips or breaks
>and it will skip or break on some cold morning, you're out a couple of
>grand for a new engine. It makes no sense to save a couple of C notes on
>gas and dump and engine which'll set you back a bunch of M bills. Yeah, I
>know they don't print them anymore. Ask yourself why, when a dollar was
>worth a buck you had $1000 bills and now that a dollar is asswipe, why the
>largest demonation is a $100?

what diesels do you know, that aren't interference engines,
and/or don't have timing belts?

(or were timing chains ok in your book?)

just curious.

> wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 01:10:07 +0100 (CET), Nomen Nescio
> > wrote:
>
> >The whole world is going diesel. Accept nothing less than a diesel. And
> >make sure its a good diesel without that pesky timing belt. That's the
> >mistake VW made. Their gas engine was great. A free running engine.
But
> >their diesel is a big loser because when that timing belt skips or breaks
> >and it will skip or break on some cold morning, you're out a couple of
> >grand for a new engine. It makes no sense to save a couple of C notes on
> >gas and dump and engine which'll set you back a bunch of M bills. Yeah,
I
> >know they don't print them anymore. Ask yourself why, when a dollar was
> >worth a buck you had $1000 bills and now that a dollar is asswipe, why
the
> >largest demonation is a $100?
>
> what diesels do you know, that aren't interference engines,
> and/or don't have timing belts?
>
> (or were timing chains ok in your book?)
>
> just curious.
>
All diesels are interference. There is no way around it, given the 20+/1
compression ratio. There are only two brands of diesel cars sold in the
U.S., VW and MB. The VW's have belts, and the MB's have chains. Everyone
in Europe is selling diesel cars, and there is a mix of belts and chains
among the Peugeot, Ford, Opel, Renault, Fiat, and others.

> wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 01:10:07 +0100 (CET), Nomen Nescio
> > wrote:
>
> >The whole world is going diesel. Accept nothing less than a diesel. And
> >make sure its a good diesel without that pesky timing belt. That's the
> >mistake VW made. Their gas engine was great. A free running engine.
But
> >their diesel is a big loser because when that timing belt skips or breaks
> >and it will skip or break on some cold morning, you're out a couple of
> >grand for a new engine. It makes no sense to save a couple of C notes on
> >gas and dump and engine which'll set you back a bunch of M bills. Yeah,
I
> >know they don't print them anymore. Ask yourself why, when a dollar was
> >worth a buck you had $1000 bills and now that a dollar is asswipe, why
the
> >largest demonation is a $100?
>
> what diesels do you know, that aren't interference engines,
> and/or don't have timing belts?
>
> (or were timing chains ok in your book?)
>
> just curious.
>
All diesels are interference. There is no way around it, given the 20+/1
compression ratio. There are only two brands of diesel cars sold in the
U.S., VW and MB. The VW's have belts, and the MB's have chains. Everyone
in Europe is selling diesel cars, and there is a mix of belts and chains
among the Peugeot, Ford, Opel, Renault, Fiat, and others.

....and Chrysler...

http://www.chrysler.co.uk/chrysler/

In Europe you could not sell an MPV without a diesel engine.

Whilst the Crossfire is, so far, petrol only, the Mercedes CLK is already
available with a diesel engine

http://www.mercedes-benz.co.uk/pc/index.html


The 300C and 300C Touring are petrol only, so far
http://www.chrysler.de/content/chrys...b/motoren.html

but I wouldn't be surprised that if it sells reasonably well a diesel became
available.

DAS
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"KokomoKid" > wrote in message
nk.net...
[...]
> Everyone
> in Europe is selling diesel cars, and there is a mix of belts and chains
> among the Peugeot, Ford, Opel, Renault, Fiat, and others.

....and Chrysler...

http://www.chrysler.co.uk/chrysler/

In Europe you could not sell an MPV without a diesel engine.

Whilst the Crossfire is, so far, petrol only, the Mercedes CLK is already
available with a diesel engine

http://www.mercedes-benz.co.uk/pc/index.html


The 300C and 300C Touring are petrol only, so far
http://www.chrysler.de/content/chrys...b/motoren.html

but I wouldn't be surprised that if it sells reasonably well a diesel became
available.

DAS
--
For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling
---

"KokomoKid" > wrote in message
nk.net...
[...]
> Everyone
> in Europe is selling diesel cars, and there is a mix of belts and chains
> among the Peugeot, Ford, Opel, Renault, Fiat, and others.

"Arthur" > wrote in message
...
> That's progressive. Install a bigger fuel guzzler. Obviously, these
> Germans don't take hints from each other. Porsche is making a deal to use
> Toyota hybrid engine technology on their SUV's. Go figure.
> Arthur
>

What leads you to believe that the larger displacement engine will be a
'bigger fuel guzzler'?

Please show your research.

--Geoff