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Bendix ABS-10
Just picked up a 92 Caravan for a hauler. Looks and drives pretty good.
Then discovered the brake booster runs almost constantly and is blowing back through the reservoir. The dreaded Bendix ABS-10. 115k miles. Google search not much help... 1. self-replacement - any tips, sources for new units? 2. what are dealers getting for replacement these days? 3. what leverage do I have with dealers, given recalls/lawsuits/blahblah tia m |
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The 3 parts that are waarranted for lifetime are, the pump,the complete ABS
assembly if it is not repairable (scored cyl or if a solonoid is bad)and the piston assembly, It takes a special set of gauges to diagnois the system.Normally the pump runs continuously for a couple reasons, the piston assembly does not hold pressure (recall part), the pump is bad (also recall part) or if the low side filter is stopped up (not recall part), if the accumulator is at fault it will not hold pressure and everytime you hit the brake pedal the pump will kick on (not a recall part).If chrysler does pay for the parts that are bad, I highly recommend replacing the low side filter and the dual function pressure switch if you plan on keeping the vehicle, those 2 parts along are about $200.00 good luck Glenn Beasley Chrysler Tech "mike gray" > wrote in message ... > Just picked up a 92 Caravan for a hauler. Looks and drives pretty good. > Then discovered the brake booster runs almost constantly and is blowing > back through the reservoir. The dreaded Bendix ABS-10. 115k miles. > Google search not much help... > > 1. self-replacement - any tips, sources for new units? > > 2. what are dealers getting for replacement these days? > > 3. what leverage do I have with dealers, given recalls/lawsuits/blahblah > > tia > m > |
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The 3 parts that are waarranted for lifetime are, the pump,the complete ABS
assembly if it is not repairable (scored cyl or if a solonoid is bad)and the piston assembly, It takes a special set of gauges to diagnois the system.Normally the pump runs continuously for a couple reasons, the piston assembly does not hold pressure (recall part), the pump is bad (also recall part) or if the low side filter is stopped up (not recall part), if the accumulator is at fault it will not hold pressure and everytime you hit the brake pedal the pump will kick on (not a recall part).If chrysler does pay for the parts that are bad, I highly recommend replacing the low side filter and the dual function pressure switch if you plan on keeping the vehicle, those 2 parts along are about $200.00 good luck Glenn Beasley Chrysler Tech "mike gray" > wrote in message ... > Just picked up a 92 Caravan for a hauler. Looks and drives pretty good. > Then discovered the brake booster runs almost constantly and is blowing > back through the reservoir. The dreaded Bendix ABS-10. 115k miles. > Google search not much help... > > 1. self-replacement - any tips, sources for new units? > > 2. what are dealers getting for replacement these days? > > 3. what leverage do I have with dealers, given recalls/lawsuits/blahblah > > tia > m > |
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maxpower wrote:
> The 3 parts that are waarranted for lifetime are, the pump,the complete ABS > assembly if it is not repairable (scored cyl or if a solonoid is bad)and > the piston assembly, It takes a special set of gauges to diagnois the > system.Normally the pump runs continuously for a couple reasons, the piston > assembly does not hold pressure (recall part), the pump is bad (also recall > part) or if the low side filter is stopped up (not recall part), if the > accumulator is at fault it will not hold pressure and everytime you hit the > brake pedal the pump will kick on (not a recall part).If chrysler does pay > for the parts that are bad, I highly recommend replacing the low side filter > and the dual function pressure switch if you plan on keeping the vehicle, > those 2 parts along are about $200.00 > good luck > Glenn Beasley > Chrysler Tech Thanks. I take it, then, that I should try to get the dealer to condemn the whole unit to get it replaced under warantee? |
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maxpower wrote:
> The 3 parts that are waarranted for lifetime are, the pump,the complete ABS > assembly if it is not repairable (scored cyl or if a solonoid is bad)and > the piston assembly, It takes a special set of gauges to diagnois the > system.Normally the pump runs continuously for a couple reasons, the piston > assembly does not hold pressure (recall part), the pump is bad (also recall > part) or if the low side filter is stopped up (not recall part), if the > accumulator is at fault it will not hold pressure and everytime you hit the > brake pedal the pump will kick on (not a recall part).If chrysler does pay > for the parts that are bad, I highly recommend replacing the low side filter > and the dual function pressure switch if you plan on keeping the vehicle, > those 2 parts along are about $200.00 > good luck > Glenn Beasley > Chrysler Tech Thanks. I take it, then, that I should try to get the dealer to condemn the whole unit to get it replaced under warantee? |
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"mike gray" > wrote in message ... > maxpower wrote: > > The 3 parts that are waarranted for lifetime are, the pump,the complete ABS > > assembly if it is not repairable (scored cyl or if a solonoid is bad)and > > the piston assembly, It takes a special set of gauges to diagnois the > > system.Normally the pump runs continuously for a couple reasons, the piston > > assembly does not hold pressure (recall part), the pump is bad (also recall > > part) or if the low side filter is stopped up (not recall part), if the > > accumulator is at fault it will not hold pressure and everytime you hit the > > brake pedal the pump will kick on (not a recall part).If chrysler does pay > > for the parts that are bad, I highly recommend replacing the low side filter > > and the dual function pressure switch if you plan on keeping the vehicle, > > those 2 parts along are about $200.00 > > good luck > > Glenn Beasley > > Chrysler Tech > > Thanks. > > I take it, then, that I should try to get the dealer to condemn the > whole unit to get it replaced under warantee? > You really need to take this to the dealer. Ever since the lifetime warranty/recall came out on that system, when people have had problems they have taken them to the dealers. As a result the independents seldom see them anymore. In fact the secondary market is flooded with bendix 10 manuals. The recall has also killed the reman/rebuild market for these. In all liklihood, by the time you add in the credits that the warranty gives you, and subtract the usual overcharging over an independent that the dealer does, the cost to have a dealer fix it is probably going to be a wash with that of an independent anyway. (if the system wasn't warrantied and you took it to an independent, that is) Put this down to a lesson, always research before buying used. The ABS system problems for these years are well documented and anyone with much experience with Chrysler minivans would have probably taken a pass on the van you bought, unless of course you got it at an absolute dirt cheap price. Ted |
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"mike gray" > wrote in message ... > maxpower wrote: > > The 3 parts that are waarranted for lifetime are, the pump,the complete ABS > > assembly if it is not repairable (scored cyl or if a solonoid is bad)and > > the piston assembly, It takes a special set of gauges to diagnois the > > system.Normally the pump runs continuously for a couple reasons, the piston > > assembly does not hold pressure (recall part), the pump is bad (also recall > > part) or if the low side filter is stopped up (not recall part), if the > > accumulator is at fault it will not hold pressure and everytime you hit the > > brake pedal the pump will kick on (not a recall part).If chrysler does pay > > for the parts that are bad, I highly recommend replacing the low side filter > > and the dual function pressure switch if you plan on keeping the vehicle, > > those 2 parts along are about $200.00 > > good luck > > Glenn Beasley > > Chrysler Tech > > Thanks. > > I take it, then, that I should try to get the dealer to condemn the > whole unit to get it replaced under warantee? > You really need to take this to the dealer. Ever since the lifetime warranty/recall came out on that system, when people have had problems they have taken them to the dealers. As a result the independents seldom see them anymore. In fact the secondary market is flooded with bendix 10 manuals. The recall has also killed the reman/rebuild market for these. In all liklihood, by the time you add in the credits that the warranty gives you, and subtract the usual overcharging over an independent that the dealer does, the cost to have a dealer fix it is probably going to be a wash with that of an independent anyway. (if the system wasn't warrantied and you took it to an independent, that is) Put this down to a lesson, always research before buying used. The ABS system problems for these years are well documented and anyone with much experience with Chrysler minivans would have probably taken a pass on the van you bought, unless of course you got it at an absolute dirt cheap price. Ted |
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Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
> Put this down to a lesson, always research before buying used. The ABS > system > problems for these years are well documented and anyone with much experience > with Chrysler minivans would have probably taken a pass on the van you > bought, > unless of course you got it at an absolute dirt cheap price. > > Ted Yer right. But I'm an old dog (can't be taught new tricks) and haven't yet learned that the days of pulling a wet master cylinder and rebuilding it at home is no longer an option. |
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Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
> Put this down to a lesson, always research before buying used. The ABS > system > problems for these years are well documented and anyone with much experience > with Chrysler minivans would have probably taken a pass on the van you > bought, > unless of course you got it at an absolute dirt cheap price. > > Ted Yer right. But I'm an old dog (can't be taught new tricks) and haven't yet learned that the days of pulling a wet master cylinder and rebuilding it at home is no longer an option. |
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If you could get that to happen, you would get all for free, good luck
"mike gray" > wrote in message ... > maxpower wrote: > > The 3 parts that are waarranted for lifetime are, the pump,the complete ABS > > assembly if it is not repairable (scored cyl or if a solonoid is bad)and > > the piston assembly, It takes a special set of gauges to diagnois the > > system.Normally the pump runs continuously for a couple reasons, the piston > > assembly does not hold pressure (recall part), the pump is bad (also recall > > part) or if the low side filter is stopped up (not recall part), if the > > accumulator is at fault it will not hold pressure and everytime you hit the > > brake pedal the pump will kick on (not a recall part).If chrysler does pay > > for the parts that are bad, I highly recommend replacing the low side filter > > and the dual function pressure switch if you plan on keeping the vehicle, > > those 2 parts along are about $200.00 > > good luck > > Glenn Beasley > > Chrysler Tech > > Thanks. > > I take it, then, that I should try to get the dealer to condemn the > whole unit to get it replaced under warantee? > |
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