Increasing fuel mileage by injecting ether.

On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 19:39:37 -0400, "Steve Bigelow"
> wrote:

>
>"Gordon McGrew" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 22:24:02 -0700, "Ted Mittelstaedt"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>No. Oxygen atoms are bigger by 1 proton. Nitrogen and Oxygen are
>>>elements.
>>>
>>>> would that make a difference?
>>>
>>>No.
>>
>> Well, maybe a little. But it would favor leaking Nitrogen over
>> Oxygen. The truth is that if there is any difference in the
>> permeation rate, the tire will tend to build up a concentration of the
>> retained gas as it leaks and is refilled with air. If the retained
>> gas was oxygen, that might be bad for a number of reasons. This might
>> be the argument; that you fill the tire with N2 to keep the O2 from
>> building up. Of course, the N2 will leak faster than air so you will
>> have to keep filling it with N2 to prevent this hazardous situation.
>>
>> I saw the N2 fill promotion at a big box store (Costco? Target?) - if
>> you bought tires they filled them with N2. Couldn't find any
>> explanation as to why that was desirable. To play devil's advocate,
>> it is certainly possible (likely even) that different gases would have
>> some effect on the behavior of the tire due to such properties as
>> weight, viscosity, thermal expansion and transfer. I could easily
>> believe that you could tell the difference between Hydrogen and Radon
>> for instance. But I would think the difference between N2 and air
>> would be vanishingly small.
>>
>> What do F1 teams use?
>
>Nitrogen.
>

Dry air is just as good.

Nitrogen is used, because it is cheap and available (already produced),
and is dry. There is little call for "dry air". It's cheaper just to
use nitrogen. Why?

A lot of nitrogen is produced, for the welding industry, and it is inherently
dry, as processing (distilling) removes all the moisture.

Other than that, nitrogen gas no advantage over dry air, and very little
advantage over atmospheric air.

Nitrogen is cheap, convenient, and easy to obtain.
And it works just fine in tires. :-)






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-john
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On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 08:19:09 -0700, ~^Johnny^~
> wrote:

>On 27 Sep 2004 14:44:09 -0700, (C.R. Krieger) wrote:
>

>
>However, ether DOES have some value, for the REAL
>losers, to wit:
>http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=11308
>

I actually received ether as anesthesia when I was seven years old.
It was a vivid experience. As I went under, I dreamed/hallucinated
that I was in one of those carts that run on tracks into the mine in
all the cartoons. The track was a huge spiral going down, down, down
into darkness. Then... blackness. Later - how long I could not say -
I was in the same cart only this time I was going up, into the light.

I awoke in the hospital room with a splitting headache. It wasn't an
experience that I ever felt compelled to repeat.