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Eric wrote:
> Wow... gotta say I agree with you there.Â*Â*Well,Â*onÂ*theÂ*absurdityÂ*ofÂ*unions > part anyway.Â*Â*GenerallyÂ*mob-styleÂ*organizationsÂ*--Â*willÂ*strongÂ*armÂ*any > business who doesn't want to play right out of town.Â*Â*SeenÂ*itÂ*done. Like I said befo Businessmen negotiate contracts for a living. If they can't negotiate a favorable deal with a union, then they don't need to be in business at all because they're weak. -- Registered Linux user #378193 |
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Maybe I am missing something, but what does any of this bull **** have
to do about Jeeps? Do you just get your jollies by seeing your name in print or something? Sure seems like it. Do you even own a Jeep? You have 'never' posted about it or Jeeps, just off topic crap. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Ruel Smith wrote: > > Eric wrote: > > > Wow... gotta say I agree with you there.  Well, on the absurdity of unions > > part anyway.  Generally mob-style organizations -- will strong arm any > > business who doesn't want to play right out of town.  Seen it done. > > Like I said befo Businessmen negotiate contracts for a living. If they > can't negotiate a favorable deal with a union, then they don't need to be > in business at all because they're weak. > > -- > > Registered Linux user #378193 |
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Mike Romain wrote:
> Maybe I am missing something, but what does any of this bull **** have > to do about Jeeps? > > Do you just get your jollies by seeing your name in print or something? > > Sure seems like it. Yeah, 1994 Jeep Wrangler Sport 4.0. I've owned it since brand new in Sept. 1993. 146,000+ on the odometer, only mildly off roaded. No, I simply responded to the Detroit vs. Japan thing, and response after response has led to this. Has this thread gotten out of hand and off-topic? Probably so. Somewhere in this thread mentions of the UAW being the bad guys and bad mouthing dealership mechanics really ticked me off. If you don't like the posts, anyhow, don't read them. Simple enough. -- Registered Linux user #378193 |
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Nathan W. Collier wrote:
> "Ruel Smith" > wrote in message > ... > >>Most mechanics turned >>around 80 book hrs. a week working a 5 day week from 8 AM to 5 PM, with an >>hour lunch. Do the math: $20 x 80 = $1600 gross/wk = $83,200 per year >>while working 40 hrs. a week. > > if you honestly believe _any_ dealership mechanic is making $83k a year then > you have no idea at just how ignorant you are to how it really works. for > starters, unless youve been there 15 years you arent going to see anywhere > near $20 an hour. assuming you do eventually see $20 an hour it isnt really > $20 an hour. manufacturers set how many hours they allow for a repair and > pay you accordingly. for example, they may authorize 1 hour for changing an > alternator even though it takes you 3 hours to change it. no matter how > long it takes, youre getting paid for that 1 hour they allowed. you might > know dealership mechanics who work 80 hours per week but you can bet your > scrotum that they arent getting paid for it. According to the US Department of Labor, median income for automotive mechanics is about $36,000US, with the middle 50% earning between $10.61US and $19.84US an hour. See: <URL:http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos181.htm> Those interested can go to <http://www.salary.com> and plug in their own zip code to see what the median income in their area is. (That part is free but the site looks like it charges for some info.) The $20/hr plus flat rate to start sounds like an ad from a diploma mill: "You too can be a highly-paid automotive technician by signing on now with the Dinkelacker School of Cosmetology, Radio Broadcasting, Culinary Arts and Auto Repair. Work on actual cars in our state of the art warehouse! Student loans are available! Call now!" |
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Lee Ayrton wrote:
> According to the US Department of Labor, median income for automotive > mechanics is about $36,000US, with the middle 50% earning between > $10.61US and $19.84US an hour. See: > <URL:http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos181.htm> > > Those interested can go to <http://www.salary.com> and plug in their own > zip code to see what the median income in their area is. (That part is > free but the site looks like it charges for some info.) > > The $20/hr plus flat rate to start sounds like an ad from a diploma > mill: "You too can be a highly-paid automotive technician by signing on > now with the Dinkelacker School of Cosmetology, Radio Broadcasting, > Culinary Arts and Auto Repair. Work on actual cars in our state of the > art warehouse! Student loans are available! Call now!" And is this based on guys working in a gas station too? I'm telling you that I worked as a car salesman at a Pontiac/GMC dealership (now Buick too) around 1997 to 2000 and I personally knew mechanics that were making $17/hr flat rate back then, and I know their rate has gone up since then. Now, not every week, but there were quite a few of them, these mechanics would turn in excess of 70 book hrs. and many times near 80. What I did, and I stated so in a followup post, was assume these figures were constant, which of course they aren't as mechanics vary their turned-in hours each week, and I'm pretty sure that these same mechanics are making at least $20/hr on flat rate with adjustments to their rate since 8 years have gone by (they made that rate in 1997). I have idealized the math, assuming the most hours on a weekly basis. Now, simple math gave me that figure. Reality is that you have to be a veteran mechanic with all the proper certifications (there are even manufacturer certifications such as GM requires only Duramax certified mechanics to work on Duramax equipped trucks) working in a dealership, and not some BP Procare station or hole in the wall shop to make that kind of hourly rate. It is not uncommon for such a mechanic to make in excess of $20/hr. flat rate in a dealership. I know this to be true because I personally knew several of the mechanics in the dealership very well. Also, as hours output during the week vary, and not just based on the mechanic's ability, but other variables such as service department traffic, they won't be turning those hours each week. There may even be some weeks when they work 40 hrs. and only turn in 40 hrs.. So chances are they'll never see the idealized $80 grand a year. Mechanics pay is based on output, and not hrs. worked, and is what the flat rate system is all about. These mechanics usually have $25,000 in tools and a $10,000 toolbox to put them in. If they only made $36,000 a year like your information suggests, I seriously doubt they'd be spending as much buying premium tools like Mac, Matco, and Snap-On. -- Registered Linux user #378193 |
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Ruel Smith wrote:
> > If you don't like the posts, anyhow, don't read them. Simple enough. > > -- I logged on this morning and only found 'one' Jeep post, the rest was all bull****! This group does have a formal Charter. If you don't like it don't read/post here, simple enough eh. Otherwise the BS will take over the group. ftp://ftp.uu.net/usenet/news.announc...rs.jeep+willys Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's |
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Gents, this group does have a formal Charter, how about dropping all the
bull**** and get back to posting about Jeeps? The Charter is located he ftp://ftp.uu.net/usenet/news.announc...rs.jeep+willys Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Lee Ayrton wrote: > > Nathan W. Collier wrote: > > "Ruel Smith" > wrote in message |
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Mike Romain wrote:
> Ruel Smith wrote: >> >> If you don't like the posts, anyhow, don't read them. Simple enough. >> >> -- > > I logged on this morning and only found 'one' Jeep post, the rest was > all bull****! > > This group does have a formal Charter. If you don't like it don't > read/post here, simple enough eh. Otherwise the BS will take over the > group. Tell that to the person that started the crap. I only responded. You don't think defending American made vehicles has anything to do with Jeep? Are you completely stupid? Sure, there have been some side issues in this thread, but I only responded and voice my opinion. Sorry if you don't like it. -- Registered Linux user #378193 |
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Mike Romain wrote:
> This group does have a formal Charter.Â*Â*IfÂ*youÂ*don'tÂ*likeÂ*itÂ*don't > read/post here, simple enough eh.Â*Â*OtherwiseÂ*theÂ*BSÂ*willÂ*takeÂ*overÂ*the > group. > > ftp://ftp.uu.net/usenet/news.announc...rs.jeep+willys Did you promote yourself to newsgroup police, or something? -- Registered Linux user #378193 |
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Ruel Smith wrote:
> > Mike Romain wrote: > > > This group does have a formal Charter.  If you don't like it don't > > read/post here, simple enough eh.  Otherwise the BS will take over the > > group. > > > > > ftp://ftp.uu.net/usenet/news.announc...rs.jeep+willys > > Did you promote yourself to newsgroup police, or something? > > -- Just a regular poster who tries along with a few others to keep this one group on topic so the political and off topic and commercial SPAM assholes don't up and take it over. It hasn't been a loosing battle over the years, but there are always a few jerks. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's |
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