Preventing Rust from Road Salt

Brent > wrote in
:

> On 2011-01-11, Nate Nagel > wrote:

>>
>> Hand washing? you serious? have you tried that when it's below
>> freezing outside?
>
> I've done hand washing in sub zero weather.



Tell me you mean sub-zero CELSIUS.



> 1) sunny day. Park in the sun.
> 2) use hot water.
> 3) do one panel at a time. Wash, dry.


And how would that translate to washing the underside?



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Tegger

On 2011-01-11, Tegger > wrote:
> Nate Nagel > wrote in

>> Hand washing? you serious? have you tried that when it's below
>> freezing outside?

> Whoever suggested that has never tried it.

It's not that bad if done right. But I did neglect to mention spraying
out the underside and the wheel wells. I would do that at the self serve
car washes.

>> best bet is to find an automatic car wash with a good undercarriage
>> spray and use that...

> Doesn't work. Undercarriage sprays simply blast the same areas of the
> underbody that are already blasted by road spray. It does not get into ANY
> of the areas that collect slush and sand, which is where exterior rust
> begins. Plus the spray doesn't last nearly long enough to remove clumps of
> salty ice or sand.

I figured as much because I always needed to concetrate the spray and
work the grime out of places underneath.

On 2011-01-11, Tegger > wrote:
> Brent > wrote in
> :
>
>> On 2011-01-11, Nate Nagel > wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Hand washing? you serious? have you tried that when it's below
>>> freezing outside?
>>
>> I've done hand washing in sub zero weather.
>
>
>
> Tell me you mean sub-zero CELSIUS.

coldest I did it was probably -10ish F. Always on a bright sunny day.

Brent > wrote in news:ighr44$9ke$1
@news.eternal-september.org:

> On 2011-01-11, Tegger > wrote:
>> Brent > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> On 2011-01-11, Nate Nagel > wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> Hand washing? you serious? have you tried that when it's below
>>>> freezing outside?
>>>
>>> I've done hand washing in sub zero weather.
>>
>>
>>
>> Tell me you mean sub-zero CELSIUS.
>
> coldest I did it was probably -10ish F. Always on a bright sunny day.
>
>
>


Ten-below FAHRENHEIT?

I never did have any success keeping water from freezing instantly on the
car when the ambient was well-below freezing. Plus it was impossible to
keep from getting myself wet (and frozen).

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Tegger

On 2011-01-11, Tegger > wrote:

> Ten-below FAHRENHEIT?
>
> I never did have any success keeping water from freezing instantly on the
> car when the ambient was well-below freezing. Plus it was impossible to
> keep from getting myself wet (and frozen).

That's why it MUST be a bright sunny day. The sheet metal heats up from
the sun and is above freezing. The water must be hot. the moisture
content of the air is so low at that temp that water evaporates right
off the car. Some will form ice, but working one panel at a time
minimizes the ice creation and the drying towel knocks it right off.

Nate Nagel wrote:
> Hand washing? you serious? have you tried that when it's below
> freezing outside?
>
> best bet is to find an automatic car wash with a good undercarriage
> spray and use that... probably doesn't work as well, but cuts down on
> frostbite damage to hands
>
> nate
>

I built an undercarriage unit that is portable. Normally it sits on the
floor of the station. To use it you just slide it outside. Then drive
over it with the hot water turned on. Works great but takes a bunch of
water to do the job on the Fire Engines. Bought the spray nozzles from a
farm store. The spray bar is 1" pipe with holes drilled and small
nipples welded on for the nozzles.


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Steve W.

Tegger wrote:
> Nate Nagel > wrote in
> :
>
>
>> Hand washing? you serious? have you tried that when it's below
>> freezing outside?
>
>
> Whoever suggested that has never tried it. Or he has an appropriately
> heated and drained indoor facility in which to perform such automotive
> toilet.
>
>
>> best bet is to find an automatic car wash with a good undercarriage
>> spray and use that...
>
>
> Doesn't work. Undercarriage sprays simply blast the same areas of the
> underbody that are already blasted by road spray. It does not get into ANY
> of the areas that collect slush and sand, which is where exterior rust
> begins. Plus the spray doesn't last nearly long enough to remove clumps of
> salty ice or sand.
>
>

That is why I like the one I built. The 15 nozzles soak everything with
HOT water. Works good to get most of the crap off. Not as good as
driving the vehicle into the lake like a local dept.* did...
BUT it's much easier to dry the rig later...

--
Steve W.

On Jan 11, 2:27*pm, "Steve W." > wrote:
> Tegger wrote:
> > Nate Nagel > wrote in
> :
>
> >> Hand washing? *you serious? * have you tried that when it's below
> >> freezing outside?
>
> > Whoever suggested that has never tried it. Or he has an appropriately
> > heated and drained indoor facility in which to perform such automotive
> > toilet.
>
> >> best bet is to find an automatic car wash with a good undercarriage
> >> spray and use that...
>
> > Doesn't work. Undercarriage sprays simply blast the same areas of the
> > underbody that are already blasted by road spray. It does not get into ANY
> > of the areas that collect slush and sand, which is where exterior rust
> > begins. Plus the spray doesn't last nearly long enough to remove clumps of
> > salty ice or sand.
>
> That is why I like the one I built. The 15 nozzles soak everything with
> HOT water. Works good to get most of the crap off. Not as good as
> driving the vehicle into the lake like a local dept.* did...
> BUT it's much easier to dry the rig later...
>
> --
> Steve W.


That's pretty ingenious, actually. If i still owned a driveway I'd do
the same. Next time i own a house (even though it may not be in such
a cold place ) I'll have to build a similar setup.

It's probably a little late for my truck now, but perhaps the next car
will be luckier.
-J

"Nate Nagel" > wrote in message
...
> On 01/11/2011 07:08 AM, Tegger wrote:
>> "Steve > wrote in news:ighfud$b6k$1
>> @speranza.aioe.org:
>>
>>> phaeton wrote:
>>>> That bit in the article about hand-washing the car would never fly in
>>>> a real winter.
>>>
>>> About the only way your going to stop rust from salt is to NEVER let the
>>> vehicle near salt...
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> That's about the size of it.
>>
>> Around salt, your car WILL eventually die, no matter how well you take
>> care
>> of it.
>>
>>
>
> Hand washing? you serious? have you tried that when it's below freezing
> outside?
>
> best bet is to find an automatic car wash with a good undercarriage spray
> and use that... probably doesn't work as well, but cuts down on frostbite
> damage to hands
>
> nate
>

That's the worst advice ever for areas with lots of salt on the road. First
most if not all automatic car wash facilities use recycled water. Surprise
salty recycled water. Secondly all an undercarriage spray does is force the
salty water into crevices that it normally wouldn't get into by just road
splash alone.

No wonder you seem to support the idea that you can't prevent rust, LOL.

Econo-cars

"Brent" wrote
>
> I've done hand washing in sub zero weather.
> 1) sunny day. Park in the sun.
> 2) use hot water.
> 3) do one panel at a time. Wash, dry.
>

That's because you're not lazy like the ones who suggest you can't do it.
Like you elude to there are many opportunities to do a hand wash during the
Winter months. Also your cars probably go rust free forever with your
willingness to take care of your car during the Winter months.

Econo-cars