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  #11  
Old May 3rd 05, 10:35 PM
Spike
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No disagreement. Like I said, it was suggested to me, but I didn't go
that route. My 289 is rebuilt as the 289 A Code it was in the
beginning.

On Tue, 3 May 2005 14:33:41 -0600, "66 6F HCS"
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>
>"Thomas Cameron" > wrote
>> Can you actually do the 347 on a 289? Prewitt Racing here in Austin said
>> that the 289 stroked was 331 (which I'd never heard).

>
>I can see 331, but I don't think there's enough deck to do a 347. I think
>the assembled height would be too tall (barely).


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  #12  
Old May 3rd 05, 11:10 PM
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I just checked the Ford Racing engine listing and it lists :
Stroker Short Block (www.cjponyparts.com)
2 bolt 302 HD Sportsman Block in either
342 (M6009A342) $2499.95
347 (M6009A347) $2499.95

302 Stroker Kits (www.cjponyparts.com)
fitting 1983-00 302 blocks w/ 1 piece rear seal
-342 CID Standard Bore $724.95
-347 CID .030" Over $1099.95
-Forged 347 CID $1694.95

As for rebuilds (www.cjponyparts.com)
-65-67 289 $2099.95*
-68-74 302 $1799.95*
-69-73 351W $2349.95*

* plus core and freight

Of course, there is the 5.0L Cammer Modular Engine for a paltry
$14,449.95.


On Tue, 3 May 2005 14:33:41 -0600, "66 6F HCS"
> wrote:

>
>"Thomas Cameron" > wrote
>> Can you actually do the 347 on a 289? Prewitt Racing here in Austin said
>> that the 289 stroked was 331 (which I'd never heard).

>
>I can see 331, but I don't think there's enough deck to do a 347. I think
>the assembled height would be too tall (barely).


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Old May 3rd 05, 11:12 PM
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Ah, yes, there is also the Paxton 64-68 SB
Supercharger for $2699.95 : )

On Tue, 3 May 2005 14:33:41 -0600, "66 6F HCS"
> wrote:

>
>"Thomas Cameron" > wrote
>> Can you actually do the 347 on a 289? Prewitt Racing here in Austin said
>> that the 289 stroked was 331 (which I'd never heard).

>
>I can see 331, but I don't think there's enough deck to do a 347. I think
>the assembled height would be too tall (barely).


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  #14  
Old May 4th 05, 02:06 AM
66 6F HCS
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> wrote

> Scott, OE rods and pistons and a $220 steel stroker crank (as
> referenced on your web site) have definitely got my attention. I wonder
> if you could price list the whole deal, or at least broken down into
> major categories like rotating assembly, machine work, etc. Any tips on
> scoring a junkyard 351?


It'd be hard to say EXACTLY what each step cost. First, I haven't recieved
the final invoice from the builder, and second, I did more than just the
stroker.

Here's the engine specs and other minor details...
351W .060" OB. [Came with the car]

3.85" stroke crank (CHP's 393 crank) [new $220]

D0 heads-ported, polished, roller rockers, new pushrods and valves [rebuilt]

12cc dish cast 302 pistons (compression set at 9.5:1, confirmed by burette
on all 8 cyls.) [new $100]

Camshaft& Lifter kit- Comp Cams grind XE262EH [new $325]
adv duration in-262 ex-270 (@.050 in-218 ex-224).
Valve lift in-.493 ex-.50

Edelbrock Performer intake [came with car]

Edelbrock 650 CFM 4bbl carb (rejetted and metered for altitude in Denver)
[new $280]

1" 4-hole spacer [new $20]

Engine balance- $150. You HAVE to balance stroker's. Without the balance, my
351 would have flown apart by now.

For everything including R&R of the motor itself; machining, balancing,
honing, notching the block and slight mods to the oil pan, rebuilding the
heads. All told it cost me ~$4000.

On actually FINDING a block? Well, check with the local club guys and just
start asking around. There's GOTTA be some wierd old guy who hordes blocks
(CJ comes to mind). Just kidding TS#1. That's where I found the 302 block
currently sitting in my Ranchero. I think I paid $100 for it, then had it
rebuilt. That build cost me $3200, installed. That block will end up going
in my '66 if I ever get around to it (or never if I sell it [the car]
first). You might have a local mass rebuilder who'd be willing to sell you a
bare used block that's already been machined. There's a local Co. here in
Denver called Ridge Reamer. You walk into their warehouse and it's just
crammed full of engines. Complete, incomplete, bare blocks, ready to build,
just pulled and needs everything. etc. You walk in and tell'em what you want
and they'll get it. They have some pretty rare stuff too. Some fairly decent
428 blocks. Sweet! Maybe you can find someplace like this locally. But I'd
still start with the clubs.
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Scott W.
'66 HCS Mustang 289
'68 Ranchero 500 302
'69 Mustang Sportsroof 351W
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Old May 4th 05, 02:46 AM
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Thanks for all the info, Scott. The wheels are definitely turning. Now
if I can just convince the wife that 400 rwhp would be a safety feature
for a 16 year old driver.

180 Out

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Old May 15th 05, 12:55 AM
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As far as I know, you can't fit anything larger than a smallblock in a '65 -
'66 without a considerable amount of sheetmetal modification. If you want
big block cubes in a smallblock form factor then the 427 stroker is the way
to go. Built on a 351W block, it will fit nicely between your shock towers
and with 427 cubic inches it should satisfy your need for torque and
horsepower. As an added bonus, you won't have to pay the weight penalty that
you would with a bigblock. Coast High Performance advertises a kit to do
this and many other vendors, I'm sure, offer similar packages.

Richard up in Canada
65 GT350 replica
"mtdubvee" > wrote in message
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> My mustang currently has a 289 in it and I was wondering how hard a big
> block conversion would be or if I should just build the 289? thanks
>



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Old May 15th 05, 01:16 AM
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"mtdubvee" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> My mustang currently has a 289 in it and I was wondering how hard a big
> block conversion would be or if I should just build the 289? thanks


Replace the front suspension with the Mustang II or Fat Man kit. Look in
any Mustang periodical. Cut the shock towers out and put a bad ass big
block in there! Pick up a 460 for cheap and build it up, or order it
directly from Ford Racing as a crate engine. A toploader, a 9" rear end,
traction bars, some wide sticky tires and spiffy wheels, reinforce the
frame, headers, an X-pipe, and some Ford truck mufflers. Leave the 289
emblems on and go hunting for some vettes! :-)

Bwah ha ha ha ha ha ha

--
John
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  #18  
Old May 15th 05, 02:37 AM
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Seems like it would almost be easier to transplant the badges to a
Viper.... : ) LOL

On Sat, 14 May 2005 20:16:00 -0400, "John"
> wrote:

>"mtdubvee" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>> My mustang currently has a 289 in it and I was wondering how hard a big
>> block conversion would be or if I should just build the 289? thanks

>
>Replace the front suspension with the Mustang II or Fat Man kit. Look in
>any Mustang periodical. Cut the shock towers out and put a bad ass big
>block in there! Pick up a 460 for cheap and build it up, or order it
>directly from Ford Racing as a crate engine. A toploader, a 9" rear end,
>traction bars, some wide sticky tires and spiffy wheels, reinforce the
>frame, headers, an X-pipe, and some Ford truck mufflers. Leave the 289
>emblems on and go hunting for some vettes! :-)
>
>Bwah ha ha ha ha ha ha


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  #19  
Old May 15th 05, 12:41 PM
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I agree 100%, but you wouldn't have a Mustang or the pride of the build!
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John
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"Spike" > wrote in message
...
> Seems like it would almost be easier to transplant the badges to a
> Viper.... : ) LOL
>
> On Sat, 14 May 2005 20:16:00 -0400, "John"
> > wrote:
>
>>"mtdubvee" > wrote in message
roups.com...
>>> My mustang currently has a 289 in it and I was wondering how hard a big
>>> block conversion would be or if I should just build the 289? thanks

>>
>>Replace the front suspension with the Mustang II or Fat Man kit. Look in
>>any Mustang periodical. Cut the shock towers out and put a bad ass big
>>block in there! Pick up a 460 for cheap and build it up, or order it
>>directly from Ford Racing as a crate engine. A toploader, a 9" rear end,
>>traction bars, some wide sticky tires and spiffy wheels, reinforce the
>>frame, headers, an X-pipe, and some Ford truck mufflers. Leave the 289
>>emblems on and go hunting for some vettes! :-)
>>
>>Bwah ha ha ha ha ha ha

>
> Hey! Spikey Likes IT!
> 1965 Ford Mustang fastback 2+2 A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok
> Vintage Burgundy w/Black Standard Interior
> Vintage 40 Wheels 16X8"
> w/BF Goodrich Comp T/A Radial 225/50ZR16



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Old May 15th 05, 08:07 PM
Spike
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That's true. Which is why I have the 65 Fastback instead of a new BMW
or whatever. A used car lot right down the street did have a Viper.
Just not enough room for the family and luggage. The local Indian
casino bought it and gave it away as a bingo prize. Probably won by
some blue haired little ol' lady who was bussed in from the retirement
home.

On Sun, 15 May 2005 07:41:03 -0400, "John"
> wrote:

>I agree 100%, but you wouldn't have a Mustang or the pride of the build!


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