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"Gareth Tuckwell" wrote:
> The reason I noticed the anomoly with my car was when I parked my car on a > friends driveway (slight slope), then came out later to find my car had run > down the drive onto the flat area of the road - front brake discs heat up > when driving, I apply the handbrake, then discs cool down, contract and come > away from the wheels. No damage was done, but I always park in gear now!! This problem is not uncommon with the increasing number of vehicles with rear disc brakes. These contract and can allow the vehicle to move with the handbrake on as you describe. I would be surprised if your 156 hand brake operates on the front wheels as I thought only the Sud had that arrangement |
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Oh boy, this thread is evolving:
I ask where I should put the better pair of tyres - front or back; and I get a great answer and explanation (no sarcasm here): at the back to save the average driver; at the front if your surname's Schumacher. And get all 4 good tyres if you can afford it! But maybe now I should ask: Is it better to have the handbrakes at the front or back!!! Arguably I'd say it's better at the back cause handbrake turns are that much easier when you got a lever-operated handbrake on the rear wheels/axle But from a safety perspective if a loony passenger yanked the handbrake mid-turn, you would get a tail-out situation pretty fast! - which makes the case for Front. Though living with it daily, it would be quite loony having cable-driven brakes on the front discs - they're always so bloody hot anyway, you'd need chocks to keep the car in place for anything longer than a couple of minutes - discs cool, and car goes for a walk! |
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> From: Zathras > > Organization: NTL > Newsgroups: alt.autos.alfa-romeo > Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 16:25:41 GMT > Subject: Tyres: Best foot forward? or back? > > On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 19:52:37 GMT, "Gareth Tuckwell" > > wrote: > >> I must apologise to you - the manual definitely says the handbrake applies >> to the rear wheels. > > ..correct! > >> However, I know mine applies to the front wheels... > > ..false! > >> I thought it was strange when I bought the car, but I was not too surprised >> because the Citroen Xantia has the same setup, so I thought nothing more of >> it. I mentioned it to a mechanic friend of mine and he was surprised, but >> confirmed that the handbrake is acting on the front wheels. > > I'd call this person a *friend* not a *mechanic* I'm afraid. > > <Snip> >> The reason I noticed the anomoly with my car was when I parked my car on a >> friends driveway (slight slope), then came out later to find my car had run >> down the drive onto the flat area of the road - front > > ..nope..if you change the word 'front' to 'rear', this whole paragraph > becomes correct... > >> brake discs heat up >> when driving, I apply the handbrake, then discs cool down, contract and come >> away from the wheels. No damage was done, but I always park in gear now!! > > Parking in gear is what you should do anyway. Also, it's *absolutely > essential* for ANY car that has a handbrake that operates on the disk > brakes for, roughly, the reason you give. > >> I will enquire about this at the garage, the next time I am in - I had never >> read that section of the manual before, but the handbrake works OK (except >> when I don't apply it hard enough). > > Sounds like a perfectly normal 156 to me. > >> I'll post something about this in a couple of months, when the car gets >> serviced. > > They'll do a routine adjustment and you won't have to pull the > handbrake lever up quite as far to get the same effect. However, NEVER > trust it..not even on the flat! You've got to get into a 100% habit of > leaving these things in gear these days. The alternative is to find > your car wrecked at the bottom of a hill one day. > My dad does that with the result that whenever he has borrowed my car or I borrow his, I start the ignition and jolt forward. Luckily I haven't hit anything yet! |
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On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 19:52:37 GMT, "Gareth Tuckwell"
> wrote: >I must apologise to you - the manual definitely says the handbrake applies >to the rear wheels. ...correct! > However, I know mine applies to the front wheels... ...false! >I thought it was strange when I bought the car, but I was not too surprised >because the Citroen Xantia has the same setup, so I thought nothing more of >it. I mentioned it to a mechanic friend of mine and he was surprised, but >confirmed that the handbrake is acting on the front wheels. I'd call this person a *friend* not a *mechanic* I'm afraid. <Snip> >The reason I noticed the anomoly with my car was when I parked my car on a >friends driveway (slight slope), then came out later to find my car had run >down the drive onto the flat area of the road - front ...nope..if you change the word 'front' to 'rear', this whole paragraph becomes correct... >brake discs heat up >when driving, I apply the handbrake, then discs cool down, contract and come >away from the wheels. No damage was done, but I always park in gear now!! Parking in gear is what you should do anyway. Also, it's *absolutely essential* for ANY car that has a handbrake that operates on the disk brakes for, roughly, the reason you give. >I will enquire about this at the garage, the next time I am in - I had never >read that section of the manual before, but the handbrake works OK (except >when I don't apply it hard enough). Sounds like a perfectly normal 156 to me. >I'll post something about this in a couple of months, when the car gets >serviced. They'll do a routine adjustment and you won't have to pull the handbrake lever up quite as far to get the same effect. However, NEVER trust it..not even on the flat! You've got to get into a 100% habit of leaving these things in gear these days. The alternative is to find your car wrecked at the bottom of a hill one day. -- Z Scotland Alfa Romeo 156 2.4JTD Veloce Leather 'Oil' be seeing you.. (Email without 'Alfa' in subject are auto-deleted..sorry!) |
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Tom Boltwood wrote:
<snip> >> They'll do a routine adjustment and you won't have to pull the >> handbrake lever up quite as far to get the same effect. However, NEVER >> trust it..not even on the flat! You've got to get into a 100% habit of >> leaving these things in gear these days. The alternative is to find >> your car wrecked at the bottom of a hill one day. >> > My dad does that with the result that whenever he has borrowed my car or I > borrow his, I start the ignition and jolt forward. Luckily I haven't hit > anything yet! I was always taught to check that a vehicle was in neutral, and depress the clutch as well, before turning the key 1) To avoid the lurch if you mistake sloppy gear knob for neutral 2) Puts less strain on the battery while cranking -- Catman MIB#14 SKoGA#6 TEAR#4 BOTAFOF#38 Apostle#21 COSOC#3 Tyger, Tyger Burning Bright (Remove rust to reply) Alfa 116 Giulietta 3.0l (Really) Sprint 1.7 75 2.0 TS Triumph Speed Triple: Black with extra black bits www.cuore-sportivo.co.uk |
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"Buzzardous Cross" > schreef in bericht om... > Oh boy, this thread is evolving: > > Arguably I'd say it's better at the back cause handbrake turns are > that much easier when you got a lever-operated handbrake on the rear > wheels/axle > Handbrake turns?? I do my turns with the steering wheel ;-) Where are you all driving where you can do this kind of driving? Are you alone on the road? What will that poor old lady think when you are doing this kind of circus trick just in front of her? Grow up, and learn how to drive safely and not a danger to yourself and your fellow "roadrunners"! -- Ciao from Holland AlfistaGJ (Gert-Jan) Alfa red 156 SW 1.8 Madeno tuned (2000) Golden Montreal 1428700 (1973/4) |
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On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 16:37:34 +0100, Tom Boltwood >
wrote: > > >> From: Zathras > >> Organization: NTL >> Newsgroups: alt.autos.alfa-romeo >> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 16:25:41 GMT >> Subject: Tyres: Best foot forward? or back? >> >> On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 19:52:37 GMT, "Gareth Tuckwell" >> > wrote: >> >>> I must apologise to you - the manual definitely says the handbrake applies >>> to the rear wheels. >> >> ..correct! >> >>> However, I know mine applies to the front wheels... >> >> ..false! >> >>> I thought it was strange when I bought the car, but I was not too surprised >>> because the Citroen Xantia has the same setup, so I thought nothing more of >>> it. I mentioned it to a mechanic friend of mine and he was surprised, but >>> confirmed that the handbrake is acting on the front wheels. >> >> I'd call this person a *friend* not a *mechanic* I'm afraid. >> >> <Snip> >>> The reason I noticed the anomoly with my car was when I parked my car on a >>> friends driveway (slight slope), then came out later to find my car had run >>> down the drive onto the flat area of the road - front >> >> ..nope..if you change the word 'front' to 'rear', this whole paragraph >> becomes correct... >> >>> brake discs heat up >>> when driving, I apply the handbrake, then discs cool down, contract and come >>> away from the wheels. No damage was done, but I always park in gear now!! >> >> Parking in gear is what you should do anyway. Also, it's *absolutely >> essential* for ANY car that has a handbrake that operates on the disk >> brakes for, roughly, the reason you give. >> >>> I will enquire about this at the garage, the next time I am in - I had never >>> read that section of the manual before, but the handbrake works OK (except >>> when I don't apply it hard enough). >> >> Sounds like a perfectly normal 156 to me. >> >>> I'll post something about this in a couple of months, when the car gets >>> serviced. >> >> They'll do a routine adjustment and you won't have to pull the >> handbrake lever up quite as far to get the same effect. However, NEVER >> trust it..not even on the flat! You've got to get into a 100% habit of >> leaving these things in gear these days. The alternative is to find >> your car wrecked at the bottom of a hill one day. >> >My dad does that with the result that whenever he has borrowed my car or I >borrow his, I start the ignition and jolt forward. Luckily I haven't hit >anything yet! Hmmm..I always start any vehicle with the clutch depressed. One reason is that it avoids the scenario you describe but another is that it takes the (smallish) gearbox load off the starter. -- Z Scotland Alfa Romeo 156 2.4JTD Veloce Leather 'Oil' be seeing you.. (Email without 'Alfa' in subject are auto-deleted..sorry!) |
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> From: Zathras > > Organization: NTL > Newsgroups: alt.autos.alfa-romeo > Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 18:58:03 GMT > Subject: Tyres: Best foot forward? or back? > > On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 16:37:34 +0100, Tom Boltwood > > wrote: > >> >> >>> From: Zathras > >>> Organization: NTL >>> Newsgroups: alt.autos.alfa-romeo >>> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 16:25:41 GMT >>> Subject: Tyres: Best foot forward? or back? >>> >>> On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 19:52:37 GMT, "Gareth Tuckwell" >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> I must apologise to you - the manual definitely says the handbrake applies >>>> to the rear wheels. >>> >>> ..correct! >>> >>>> However, I know mine applies to the front wheels... >>> >>> ..false! >>> >>>> I thought it was strange when I bought the car, but I was not too surprised >>>> because the Citroen Xantia has the same setup, so I thought nothing more of >>>> it. I mentioned it to a mechanic friend of mine and he was surprised, but >>>> confirmed that the handbrake is acting on the front wheels. >>> >>> I'd call this person a *friend* not a *mechanic* I'm afraid. >>> >>> <Snip> >>>> The reason I noticed the anomoly with my car was when I parked my car on a >>>> friends driveway (slight slope), then came out later to find my car had run >>>> down the drive onto the flat area of the road - front >>> >>> ..nope..if you change the word 'front' to 'rear', this whole paragraph >>> becomes correct... >>> >>>> brake discs heat up >>>> when driving, I apply the handbrake, then discs cool down, contract and >>>> come >>>> away from the wheels. No damage was done, but I always park in gear now!! >>> >>> Parking in gear is what you should do anyway. Also, it's *absolutely >>> essential* for ANY car that has a handbrake that operates on the disk >>> brakes for, roughly, the reason you give. >>> >>>> I will enquire about this at the garage, the next time I am in - I had >>>> never >>>> read that section of the manual before, but the handbrake works OK (except >>>> when I don't apply it hard enough). >>> >>> Sounds like a perfectly normal 156 to me. >>> >>>> I'll post something about this in a couple of months, when the car gets >>>> serviced. >>> >>> They'll do a routine adjustment and you won't have to pull the >>> handbrake lever up quite as far to get the same effect. However, NEVER >>> trust it..not even on the flat! You've got to get into a 100% habit of >>> leaving these things in gear these days. The alternative is to find >>> your car wrecked at the bottom of a hill one day. >>> >> My dad does that with the result that whenever he has borrowed my car or I >> borrow his, I start the ignition and jolt forward. Luckily I haven't hit >> anything yet! > > Hmmm..I always start any vehicle with the clutch depressed. One reason > is that it avoids the scenario you describe but another is that it > takes the (smallish) gearbox load off the starter. > > -- That all makes sense and is what I should do really, but I've just got in the habit of leaping in and starting the car as I always park in neutral like my driving instructor told me to. |
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On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 10:31:40 +0100, Tom Boltwood >
wrote: <snip> >That all makes sense and is what I should do really, but I've just got in >the habit of leaping in and starting the car as I always park in neutral >like my driving instructor told me to. Keep up to date my man! Did you do your test when most cars had drum brakes on the rear? -- Z Scotland Alfa Romeo 156 2.4JTD Veloce Leather 'Oil' be seeing you.. (Email without 'Alfa' in subject are auto-deleted..sorry!) |
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Catman wrote:
> Not sure about that, old chap. I understood that the reason that front > brakes are more powerful than rears was simply because when you brake, the > weight of your vehicle shifts forwards, reducing the donwforce on the rear > wheels. You learn about this in a hurry when biking. Yeah, but as a biker you also know how important rear brakes are for stability while stopping, they make quite a difference in combination with the front brake even if they are lousy on their own.. > There is simply no point in having more powerful brakes on the rear since > they will always lock before the fronts (in a straight line of course) And if the lock, you lose stability, again proving my point that it is important to make sure they don't lock easily = put on good tyres.. :-) > However, I may have misunderstood / not explained very well. But I do have > an excuse for the latter: It's my birthday and I'm rather well down this > rather good bottle of wine Greetings, mate.. > Triumph Speed Triple: Black with extra black bits No more Monster 600? -- Hygge.. Thomas <http://www.carftp.com> - a library of car videos. |
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