What exactly is "left lane blocking"?

"Big Bill" > wrote in message
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>>No,because STKR clearly gives FASTER traffic priority in passing over
>>slower.
>
> Faster than what? Passing traffic, or passed traffic?
> It's undefined.

Only to you. Most of us recognize it as a comparative.

Bernard

Big Bill wrote:

> On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:39:33 GMT, Arif Khokar >
> wrote:
>
>
>>Big Bill wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Again, this is a case of, "If you make me alter my speed, you're a
>>>MFFY driver. But if I make you alter yours, that's the natural order
>>>of things."
>>
>>If you're changing lanes, merging, or pulling out from a side street,,
>>the MFFY designation does not apply to traffic that already has the
>>right of way.
>>
>>Now on to Bill's inevitable nonsequitur response(s) ...
>
>
> You're another who's good at defining himself as a MFFY driver.
> Everyone should obey the rules, as long as they benefit you.
> If I'm in trqaffic, and there's room to do so, I can change lanes.
> It's perfectly legal.
> Of course, since that may impede *your* movement, it's MFFY.
>

If he is in the faster lane and continuing on a straight course, and you
change lanes and therefore impede him, it is YOU that is a MFFY driver.
Why everyone but you gets this simple concept is not a reflection on
everyone but you.

nate

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"Big Bill" > wrote in message
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> If I'm in trqaffic, and there's room to do so, I can change lanes.
> It's perfectly legal.
> Of course, since that may impede *your* movement, it's MFFY.
>
If you pull in front of an oncoming car, depending on distance you
may be failing to yeild to the other car's right of way.

That is MFFY behaviour.

You are a MFFY driver from your own descriptions.


Bernard

Skip Elliott Bowman wrote:

> "Jim Yanik" .> wrote in message
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>
>>Maybe he's an old fart and no longer has the reflexes to drive at
>>speed,and
>>compensates with stubbornness.
>
>
> You're older than me, Jim. But if someone is trying to push me into doing
> something dangerous that I don't want to do, you can bet dollars to donuts
> I'm stubborn. Tell me you aren't the same.
>

I dunno about you, but if I'm in the passing lane and getting "pushed" I
move right at the earliest opportunity. Not only is it the courteous
thing to do, and I'd appreciate the same treatment from other drivers,
but it's also usually a cop doing the "pushing." :/ Don't wanna ****
'em off, ya know.

nate

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"Nate Nagel" > wrote in message
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> Skip Elliott Bowman wrote:
>
>> "Jim Yanik" .> wrote in message
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>>
>>
>>>Maybe he's an old fart and no longer has the reflexes to drive at
>>>speed,and
>>>compensates with stubbornness.
>>
>>
>> You're older than me, Jim. But if someone is trying to push me into
>> doing something dangerous that I don't want to do, you can bet dollars to
>> donuts I'm stubborn. Tell me you aren't the same.
>
> I dunno about you, but if I'm in the passing lane and getting "pushed" I
> move right at the earliest opportunity. Not only is it the courteous
> thing to do, and I'd appreciate the same treatment from other drivers, but
> it's also usually a cop doing the "pushing." :/ Don't wanna **** 'em off,
> ya know.

Why should I be courteous to someone who is being rude to me, not to mention
endangering my safety out of impatience? I do yield to emergence vehicles
on a call, but it's been decades since a LEO tailgated me without pulling me
over.

Skip Elliott Bowman wrote:

> "Nate Nagel" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Skip Elliott Bowman wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Jim Yanik" .> wrote in message
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Maybe he's an old fart and no longer has the reflexes to drive at
>>>>speed,and
>>>>compensates with stubbornness.
>>>
>>>
>>>You're older than me, Jim. But if someone is trying to push me into
>>>doing something dangerous that I don't want to do, you can bet dollars to
>>>donuts I'm stubborn. Tell me you aren't the same.
>>
>>I dunno about you, but if I'm in the passing lane and getting "pushed" I
>>move right at the earliest opportunity. Not only is it the courteous
>>thing to do, and I'd appreciate the same treatment from other drivers, but
>>it's also usually a cop doing the "pushing." :/ Don't wanna **** 'em off,
>>ya know.
>
>
> Why should I be courteous to someone who is being rude to me, not to mention
> endangering my safety out of impatience? I do yield to emergence vehicles
> on a call, but it's been decades since a LEO tailgated me without pulling me
> over.
>

Because it's not necessarily another driver trying to be rude. Faster
drivers, myself included, have been to some extent conditioned to assume
that the LLB isn't going to respond to generally accepted (in civilized
places) legal signals like a quick headlight flash and/or left turn
blinker, or if they do, it'll be returned with either a brake check or
some other antagonistic maneuver. I've actually had people chase me
down after I've passed them (on the right) after a left turn blinker and
yell at me for being such an a-hole. WTF, over? Doesn't make sense but
that's the way it is. Anymore, once I've gotten close enough that I
don't want to get any closer and they still haven't dislodged
themselves, I just drop a gear and blow by on the right. Not worth the
hassle to try to do it correctly. So in the rare case where an aware
driver is in the left lane but isn't quite ready to move right, it's
entirely possible that a faster driver will run up behind them on
principle not realizing that the driver in front actually sees them and
is preparing to yield.

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Good point, Nate.

"Nate Nagel" > wrote in message
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> Because it's not necessarily another driver trying to be rude. Faster
> drivers, myself included, have been to some extent conditioned to assume
> that the LLB isn't going to respond to generally accepted (in civilized
> places) legal signals like a quick headlight flash and/or left turn
> blinker, or if they do, it'll be returned with either a brake check or
> some other antagonistic maneuver. I've actually had people chase me down
> after I've passed them (on the right) after a left turn blinker and yell
> at me for being such an a-hole. WTF, over? Doesn't make sense but that's
> the way it is. Anymore, once I've gotten close enough that I don't want
> to get any closer and they still haven't dislodged themselves, I just drop
> a gear and blow by on the right. Not worth the hassle to try to do it
> correctly. So in the rare case where an aware driver is in the left lane
> but isn't quite ready to move right, it's entirely possible that a faster
> driver will run up behind them on principle not realizing that the driver
> in front actually sees them and is preparing to yield.
>
> nate
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In article >, Big Bill wrote:

> If I'm in trqaffic, and there's room to do so, I can change lanes.
> It's perfectly legal.
> Of course, since that may impede *your* movement, it's MFFY.

You driving 40mph down a 2 lane road, 100ft in front of you is a
bicyclist (@~20mph) in what I consider a correct location in the lane. You
can pass him safely without leaving the lane. 500ft in front of the
bicyclist is a bridge where the road narrows and it is unsafe to pass in
the same lane. There is nobody else traveling in your direction on the
road, but the oncoming lane is quite packed preventing you from using
it. (Assume it's the afternoon rush and you're going the opposite
direction)

Now the bicyclist moves into the center of the lane, blocking you from
passing, even though the reason for taking the lane is still 500ft ahead
of him, and you would pass him before he reached it. Instead of letting
you go by with no delay to himself, he's chosen to pull out and force you
to slow to his speed.

How do you feel about the bicyclist's "driving"?

Same situation, except the bicyclist is 5ft from bridge and it's short
so he's over the bridge and back to the right before you reach him.
How do you feel about the bicyclist's "driving"?

Third variant, no bridge, 4 lane road. There is someone driving slower
(15mph) than the bicyclist in the right lane. (city traffic, you're doing
30mph, bicyclist is doing 22mph) You are in the left lane. As you are
nearing the bicyclist, he changes lanes in front of you and you have to
slow to 20mph while the bicyclist completes his pass. What do you think
of the bicyclist's "driving" ?

Big Bill > wrote in
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> On 30 Mar 2005 15:54:10 GMT, Jim Yanik .> wrote:
>
>>Big Bill > wrote in
m:
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>>> On 29 Mar 2005 23:05:52 GMT, Jim Yanik .> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Big Bill > wrote in
m:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 22:02:53 -0500, Nate Nagel
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> So you're saying that I should extend courtesy to other drivers?
>>>>>>> If so, prepare yourself! That's heresy!
>>>>>>> If, OTOH, you're saying that if I have to yield before making a
>>>>>>> maneuver that *MIGHT* affect other drivers, making them slow
>>>>>>> down or change lanes (the HORROR!), I should forego the
>>>>>>> maneuver?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That's exactly correct.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Get real. It's called *TRAFFIC*, and other drivers have to
>>>>>>> adjust to it every time they drive.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That doesn't mean you should deliberately drive like an a-hole.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>nate
>>>>>
>>>>> So you think I should go out of my way (even MILES out of my way),
>>>>> so you can have a slightly easier drive?
>>>>Hyperbole.
>>>>
>>>>> Is lifting off the gas pedal that much of a strain?
>>>>
>>>>If waiting until faster traffic has passed any more of a strain?
>>>
>>> If it means going out of my way, yes. Far moreso than slowing down a
>>> little.
>>
>>Please explain how waiting to pass a slower vehicle makes you go "out
>>of your way,MILES out of your way".Are you intending to pass then cut
>>over to make an approaching exit?
>
> We aren't talking about only passing here; there are also left turns.

Exactly what sort of roads are you discussing?
It sounds like ordinary city streets.(inapplicable here)
STKR is for limited access roads.

>>
>>This sounds like hyperbole.
>>
>>>>
>>>>> Are you rteally that important?
>>>>> Get over yourself; everybody isn't driving just to **** you off.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>No,they're just driving clueless.
>>>>Can't follow something simple as STKR.
>>>
>>> This has nothing to do with STKR; instead, it's "I'm important;
>>> don't make me slow down or change lanes. It's just too much like
>>> work. I'm above that whole 'traffic' thing."
>>>
>>
>>No,STKR gives faster vehicles priority in passing,by requiring that
>>"slower traffic keep right".Attempting to exclude yourself from that
>>by whatever lame "situations" you dream up is simply MFFY behavior.
>
> Slower than what? Passing traffic, or passed traffic?

Traffic,PERIOD.Again,you're trying to evade the STKR rule.
Faster has priority over slower.



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"Skip Elliott Bowman" > wrote in
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> "Jim Yanik" .> wrote in message
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>> "Skip Elliott Bowman" > wrote in
>> nk.net:
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>>> "Jim Yanik" .> wrote in message
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>>>> "Skip Elliott Bowman" > wrote in
>>>> .net:
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>>>>> I don't drive to **** off anyone. But if I'm passing someone
>>>>> legally and during the pass see you roaring up from behind doing
>>>>> 30 mph over the speed limit, if you want to pass me then you'll
>>>>> just have to wait until I'm done and move over. You don't like
>>>>> it, rear-end my car. I could use the money. Lead-foot bullies
>>>>> aren't worth my sweat.
>>>>
>>>> Ah,the manly challenge from a LLBer;"I'm here,I'm blocking you,and
>>>> there's nothing you can do about it".= ME First,F-You.
>>>
>>> Well, I was there first, so yes.
>>
>> Violating STKR,which gives priority to faster traffic.
>
> Unless it's an emergency vehicle on call, I don't have to yield to
> drivers who are moving significantly faster than surrounding traffic;
> i.e. 15 mph or more. If there's a law that says otherwise, please
> cite. And STKR doesn't apply to blatant speeders,

It applies to ALL traffic.
And there's no justification for you to play LEO,regardless of how fast
others are going.

There are several states that have laws that specifically state that
regardless of the posted speed limit,STKR applies.
Specifically to prevent road rage caused by LLBers.
They recognize that the LLBing is worse than the "speeding".

> it applies to LLBs.

Blocking faster traffic in the passing lane -IS- LLBing.

>
>>>And tshere's naught you can do about
>>> it, so you're right there.
>>
>> In some states,you could get a ticket.
>
> Please, Jim. Have you ever known a driver in the uSA to get a ticket
> for forcing a blatant lead-foot to wait until that driver's pass is
> completed? Or for being an LLB, for that matter?

Same thing,really. The speed of the blocked or blocking car is not
relevant,it's STILL LLBing.


Whether anyone actually has gotten ticketed,the law provides for it in some
states.And it seems that some states ARE beginning to enforce the STKR
laws.

>
>>> But where you're wrong is by telling me to
>>> get out of your way even though I was there first and you're
>>> speeding like a maniac.
>>
>> STKR makes no mention of speed limits.Besides what you consider
>> "speeding like a maniac" may be just your inability to cope with
>> faster traffic.
>
> Oh I can cope with traffic just fine, including lead-foots.

By BLOCKING them;LLBing.
(and that's not 'coping'.)

>You're
> right, though, that STKR doesn't mention speed limits. It refers to
> the basic rule.
>
>>> Remember the original scenario: you're moving quite a
>>> bit faster than surrounding traffic, like 20+ mph, and I had already
>>> started my pass.
>>
>> Even though you should have waited and allowed faster traffic to pass
>> by. IOW,NOT following STKR.
>
> If they're 1/4 mile back and I'm already passing, then they can wait.
> I'm not a micro-passer; most of my freeway passes are completed within
> 10 seconds. If the lead-foot can't wait that long, then he has a
> problem. And his problems aren't mine.
>
>>> I mean, other than rear-ending me, what can you do except rant and
>>> rave?
>>>
>>>> A wanna-be cop.
>>>
>>> Hardly. Just not intimidated by lead-foot bullies is all.
>
>> It's not bullying to expect others to follow the rules of the road.
>> "Me First" is not one of them. STKR is.
>
> Again, Jim, under your interpretation of STKR, no one but you may ever
> use the passing lane.


Again,you are wrong.
One can always speed up,or wait until the faster traffic has passed.

You just KEEP trying to invent exceptions to STKR.
In the end,you just revert to "MFFY,I'm gonna block you anyways."
You KNOW you're screwing up traffic flow.




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