Are you in favor of an SUV endorsement?

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DonQuixote-v-Windmills wrote:

> Sure we need a tougher license, an endorsement if you will, just like
> motorcyclists, but for SUV drivers. They are the ones causing the
> mayhem!

A recent LiveJournal community post used the phrase "Penile Compensator
Unit" in reference to a certain model of SUV/truck. That sums up a lot.

I agree with your proposal in principle. Those without the driving skill to
safely drive and park an SUV should not be allowed to.

--
Shawn K. Quinn

On 2004-12-22, Shawn K. Quinn > wrote:
> DonQuixote-v-Windmills wrote:
>> Sure we need a tougher license, an endorsement if you will, just like
>> motorcyclists, but for SUV drivers. They are the ones causing the
>> mayhem!

Baloney. Stupid drivers caus emayhem, no matter what they drive. There are
plenty of sensible drivers out there with SUVs.

> A recent LiveJournal community post used the phrase "Penile Compensator
> Unit" in reference to a certain model of SUV/truck. That sums up a lot.

Cite? I'd like to point one obnoxious commenter in my LJ at this one; he
claims that enviro-weenies don't think that SUV owners are compensating for
insecurities in their manhood.

> I agree with your proposal in principle. Those without the driving skill to
> safely drive and park an SUV should not be allowed to.

The skills here are the same as driving a car: if adequate care is taken,
neither will get into trouble.

On 2004-12-22, Shawn K. Quinn > wrote:
> DonQuixote-v-Windmills wrote:
>> Sure we need a tougher license, an endorsement if you will, just like
>> motorcyclists, but for SUV drivers. They are the ones causing the
>> mayhem!

Baloney. Stupid drivers caus emayhem, no matter what they drive. There are
plenty of sensible drivers out there with SUVs.

> A recent LiveJournal community post used the phrase "Penile Compensator
> Unit" in reference to a certain model of SUV/truck. That sums up a lot.

Cite? I'd like to point one obnoxious commenter in my LJ at this one; he
claims that enviro-weenies don't think that SUV owners are compensating for
insecurities in their manhood.

> I agree with your proposal in principle. Those without the driving skill to
> safely drive and park an SUV should not be allowed to.

The skills here are the same as driving a car: if adequate care is taken,
neither will get into trouble.

That makes as much sense as the contention that we should all
drive small cars and not be allowed to buy the vehicles that our
lifestyle may require. How does one transport their wife, five
kids and all their 'stuff' in a Focus? If you don't like SUV's
don't buy one. Others obviously believe they need the room and
versatility afford by SUV's and have the right to buy what they
need or want. No matter what you choose to buy with your money
it will still be smaller than a tractor trailer rig. Should we
ban those as well


mike hunt



DonQuixote-v-Windmills wrote:
>
> wrote:
> > Because you light weight transport vehicle was not designed with
> > 'armor.' That is why they make the
> > 'tanks' which are much safer in which to ride. If
> > you want the extra safety of the larger vehicle buy
> > one, WBMA
>
> OK, after assessing the general risk on the roads, I've concluded that
> small vehicles are at big disadvantaged and that we need some
> government attention to our plight.
> We feel we should not drive a Hummer to be safe from a Hummer.

That makes as much sense as the contention that we should all
drive small cars and not be allowed to buy the vehicles that our
lifestyle may require. How does one transport their wife, five
kids and all their 'stuff' in a Focus? If you don't like SUV's
don't buy one. Others obviously believe they need the room and
versatility afford by SUV's and have the right to buy what they
need or want. No matter what you choose to buy with your money
it will still be smaller than a tractor trailer rig. Should we
ban those as well


mike hunt



DonQuixote-v-Windmills wrote:
>
> wrote:
> > Because you light weight transport vehicle was not designed with
> > 'armor.' That is why they make the
> > 'tanks' which are much safer in which to ride. If
> > you want the extra safety of the larger vehicle buy
> > one, WBMA
>
> OK, after assessing the general risk on the roads, I've concluded that
> small vehicles are at big disadvantaged and that we need some
> government attention to our plight.
> We feel we should not drive a Hummer to be safe from a Hummer.

Perhaps you should drive the safer Landcruiser more often.


mike hunt



"Paul Hovnanian P.E." wrote:
>
> wrote:
> >
> > Why not make the bumpers higher on the small cars? After all a
> > small vehicle is the more dangerous vehicle
> > in which to ride according to the NHTSA. Properly belted
> > passengers in a large vehicle, like an SUV, have a much greater
> > chance of surviving a collision. I is that fact the more
> > children are riding in larger vehicles that has resulted in the
> > sharp decline in injuries and deaths among children over the past
> > five years in the US.
>
> Bumper height isn't the only problem.
>
> A while back, I took my camera out, crouched down to bumper height and
> snapped a picture of my Toyota Landcruiser, Mazda RX-7 and Porsche 928.
> The bumpers all line up perfectly (within an inch).
>
> What is different about all three vehicles is that this 'standard bumper
> height' falls on different points of each occupant's body. In the sports
> cars, bumper height is about mid-torso. So, no matter what I get hit
> with (another car or an SUV), its going to hit be right in the middle of
> my body. On the other hand, 'standard bumper height' in my Landcruiser
> is down below my feet. So if I get hit while sitting in that, most of
> the damage is going to miss me.
>
> --
> Paul Hovnanian
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> Nondeterminism means never having to say you are wrong.

Perhaps you should drive the safer Landcruiser more often.


mike hunt



"Paul Hovnanian P.E." wrote:
>
> wrote:
> >
> > Why not make the bumpers higher on the small cars? After all a
> > small vehicle is the more dangerous vehicle
> > in which to ride according to the NHTSA. Properly belted
> > passengers in a large vehicle, like an SUV, have a much greater
> > chance of surviving a collision. I is that fact the more
> > children are riding in larger vehicles that has resulted in the
> > sharp decline in injuries and deaths among children over the past
> > five years in the US.
>
> Bumper height isn't the only problem.
>
> A while back, I took my camera out, crouched down to bumper height and
> snapped a picture of my Toyota Landcruiser, Mazda RX-7 and Porsche 928.
> The bumpers all line up perfectly (within an inch).
>
> What is different about all three vehicles is that this 'standard bumper
> height' falls on different points of each occupant's body. In the sports
> cars, bumper height is about mid-torso. So, no matter what I get hit
> with (another car or an SUV), its going to hit be right in the middle of
> my body. On the other hand, 'standard bumper height' in my Landcruiser
> is down below my feet. So if I get hit while sitting in that, most of
> the damage is going to miss me.
>
> --
> Paul Hovnanian
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> Nondeterminism means never having to say you are wrong.

wrote:
> That makes as much sense as the contention that we should all
> drive small cars and not be allowed to buy the vehicles that our
> lifestyle may require. How does one transport their wife, five
> kids and all their 'stuff' in a Focus? If you don't like SUV's
> don't buy one. Others obviously believe they need the room and
> versatility afford by SUV's and have the right to buy what they
> need or want. No matter what you choose to buy with your money
> it will still be smaller than a tractor trailer rig. Should we
> ban those as well

What "choices" are you talking about when most of the cars in the world
market are RESTRICTED in America? Go south of the border or Europe.
Check on all the small micro vans they got, Mercedes A Class, anything
on 4 wheels...

Face, you got a MONOPOLISTIC LION that wants to preserve the stupid
dinosaur in place.

wrote:
> That makes as much sense as the contention that we should all
> drive small cars and not be allowed to buy the vehicles that our
> lifestyle may require. How does one transport their wife, five
> kids and all their 'stuff' in a Focus? If you don't like SUV's
> don't buy one. Others obviously believe they need the room and
> versatility afford by SUV's and have the right to buy what they
> need or want. No matter what you choose to buy with your money
> it will still be smaller than a tractor trailer rig. Should we
> ban those as well

What "choices" are you talking about when most of the cars in the world
market are RESTRICTED in America? Go south of the border or Europe.
Check on all the small micro vans they got, Mercedes A Class, anything
on 4 wheels...

Face, you got a MONOPOLISTIC LION that wants to preserve the stupid
dinosaur in place.

wrote:
> That makes as much sense as the contention that we should all
> drive small cars and not be allowed to buy the vehicles that our
> lifestyle may require. How does one transport their wife, five
> kids and all their 'stuff' in a Focus? If you don't like SUV's
> don't buy one. Others obviously believe they need the room and
> versatility afford by SUV's and have the right to buy what they
> need or want. No matter what you choose to buy with your money
> it will still be smaller than a tractor trailer rig. Should we
> ban those as well

What "choices" are you talking about when most of the cars in the world
market are RESTRICTED in America? Go south of the border or Europe.
Check on all the small micro vans they got, Mercedes A Class, anything
on 4 wheels...

Face, you got a MONOPOLISTIC LION that wants to preserve the stupid
dinosaur in place.