PLAGIARIST LIST

Regardless of where you are reading this, I post my comments on the
rec.autos.tech newsgroup....ONLY.

I have discovered that autoforums.com and talkaboutautos.com are two of
what I suspect is many forums that are plagiarizing material from this
newsgroup.

I am curious if anybody else knows other forums that are doing the same.

I discovered the talkaboutautos connection in a poster's header.

These forums are selling advertising based on clicks, and they are using
newsgroup material to generate these clicks.

Perhaps, when we discover another plaigiarist, we could click onto their
advertisers and let them know where the content of the forum actually comes
from. The forum doesn't really have the support/traffic it appears to have.

I've never been into talkaboutautos.com before today, but I have been
posted there all along.

Let's build a list of plagiarists, and let their advertisers know what we
know.....

If we build the list here at rec.autos.tech, it will automatically play on
the plagiarist sites, so list them - and perhaps some of their key
advertisers - right here. They'll handle our distribution for us.

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PLAGIARIST LIST

• autoforums.com


• talkaboutautos.com - www.trussvillemazda.com/partsstore;
http://www.alldatadiy.com/;
http://www.allautoequip.com/Mazda.ht...azda_MX-6_.php

"*" > wrote in message
news:01c6957e$5437d180$8790c3d8@race...
> Regardless of where you are reading this, I post my comments on the
> rec.autos.tech newsgroup....ONLY.
>
> I have discovered that autoforums.com and talkaboutautos.com are two of
> what I suspect is many forums that are plagiarizing material from this
> newsgroup.
>
> I am curious if anybody else knows other forums that are doing the same.
>
> I discovered the talkaboutautos connection in a poster's header.
>
> These forums are selling advertising based on clicks, and they are using
> newsgroup material to generate these clicks.
>
> Perhaps, when we discover another plaigiarist, we could click onto their
> advertisers and let them know where the content of the forum actually
comes
> from. The forum doesn't really have the support/traffic it appears to
have.
>
> I've never been into talkaboutautos.com before today, but I have been
> posted there all along.
>
> Let's build a list of plagiarists, and let their advertisers know what we
> know.....
>
> If we build the list here at rec.autos.tech, it will automatically play on
> the plagiarist sites, so list them - and perhaps some of their key
> advertisers - right here. They'll handle our distribution for us.
>
> ---------------------------------------------
> PLAGIARIST LIST
>
> • autoforums.com
>
>
> • talkaboutautos.com - www.trussvillemazda.com/partsstore;
> http://www.alldatadiy.com/;
>
http://www.allautoequip.com/Mazda.ht...azda_MX-6_.php
>
>

Google Groups is another, but plagiarism is not exactly what happens. You
see, the Usenet is a PUBLIC use service and the posts to any news group can
be carried by any number of news servers (even AOL). These new Web Based
GUIs are just another way of offering the news groups to the public. No
rights have been violated. I do agree that their use is a poor way to read
and post to UseNet, and they are often used by clueless web surfers who
have no Idea of what a Use Net is or what it is for, and some of the web
based interfaces do a **** poor job of collecting and distributing the news
groups. This is just another case of the internet being used for financial
gain and in my mind goes in the same box as spamming and phishing.
--
Kevin Mouton
Automotive Technology Instructor
"If women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy"
Red Green

"Kevin" > wrote in
news:7Bjmg.57914$9c6.46535@dukeread11:

> These
> new Web Based GUIs are just another way of offering the news groups to
> the public. No rights have been violated. I do agree that their use is
> a poor way to read and post to UseNet, and they are often used by
> clueless web surfers who have no Idea of what a Use Net is or what it
> is for, and some of the web based interfaces do a **** poor job of
> collecting and distributing the news groups.



Not only that, they lard up their own pages with (along with ads) HTML,
smilies, photos, and other detritus. We don't see it here, but they sure do
on their Web interface. It's inefficient and very hard to read, especially
when quoting is turned on.

The way Web interfaces display Usenet content has a tendency to make
posters omit quoting, which can make threads extremely difficult to follow
if a post goes missing, or your server's retention time is short.



--
TeGGeR®

On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 22:40:03 +0000 (UTC), "TeGGeR®"
> wrote:


>
>Not only that, they lard up their own pages with (along with ads) HTML,
>smilies, photos, and other detritus. We don't see it here, but they sure do
>on their Web interface. It's inefficient and very hard to read, especially
>when quoting is turned on.

Sounds kinda like Windows, huh? :P

Kevin > wrote in article
<7Bjmg.57914$9c6.46535@dukeread11>...
>
> "*" > wrote in message
> news:01c6957e$5437d180$8790c3d8@race...
> > Regardless of where you are reading this, I post my comments on the
> > rec.autos.tech newsgroup....ONLY.
> >
> > I have discovered that autoforums.com and talkaboutautos.com are two of
> > what I suspect is many forums that are plagiarizing material from this
> > newsgroup.
> >
> > I am curious if anybody else knows other forums that are doing the
same.
> >
> > I discovered the talkaboutautos connection in a poster's header.
> >
> > These forums are selling advertising based on clicks, and they are
using
> > newsgroup material to generate these clicks.
> >
> > Perhaps, when we discover another plaigiarist, we could click onto
their
> > advertisers and let them know where the content of the forum actually
> comes
> > from. The forum doesn't really have the support/traffic it appears to
> have.
> >
> > I've never been into talkaboutautos.com before today, but I have been
> > posted there all along.
> >
> > Let's build a list of plagiarists, and let their advertisers know what
we
> > know.....
> >
> > If we build the list here at rec.autos.tech, it will automatically play
on
> > the plagiarist sites, so list them - and perhaps some of their key
> > advertisers - right here. They'll handle our distribution for us.
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------
> > PLAGIARIST LIST
> >
> > • autoforums.com
> >
> >
> > • talkaboutautos.com - www.trussvillemazda.com/partsstore;
> > http://www.alldatadiy.com/;
> >
>
http://www.allautoequip.com/Mazda.ht...azda_MX-6_.php
> >
> >
>
> Google Groups is another, but plagiarism is not exactly what happens. You
> see, the Usenet is a PUBLIC use service and the posts to any news group
can
> be carried by any number of news servers (even AOL). These new Web Based
> GUIs are just another way of offering the news groups to the public. No
> rights have been violated. I do agree that their use is a poor way to
read
> and post to UseNet, and they are often used by clueless web surfers who
> have no Idea of what a Use Net is or what it is for, and some of the web
> based interfaces do a **** poor job of collecting and distributing the
news
> groups. This is just another case of the internet being used for
financial
> gain and in my mind goes in the same box as spamming and phishing.
> --
> Kevin Mouton
> Automotive Technology Instructor
> "If women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy"
> Red Green
>
>
>

What I find so onerous is the fact that any perceived attempt at
advertising here on rec.autos.tech is jumped upon by the self-appointed
'net cops, yet our thoughts, comments, ideas, suggestions, etc. are the
base for someone else making a profit from advertising.

I've got to believe that slipping a little ad into one's sig has much more
value than the exposure on the usenet.

Due to publishing contracts, I am not allowed to offer ANY automotive
advice under my own name. Others own my name in that context.

Were it not for that, I might consider developing a sig with a tag-line
message to take advantage of the many places my stuff seems to be
published.

"Call on us for all your "*****" needs in the Northeast...."

* wrote:
> Kevin > wrote in article
> <7Bjmg.57914$9c6.46535@dukeread11>...
> >
> > "*" > wrote in message
> > news:01c6957e$5437d180$8790c3d8@race...
> > > Regardless of where you are reading this, I post my
> > > comments on the rec.autos.tech newsgroup....ONLY.
> > >
> > > I have discovered that autoforums.com and
> > > talkaboutautos.com are two of what I suspect is many
> > > forums that are plagiarizing material from this
> > > newsgroup.
> > >
> > > I am curious if anybody else knows other forums that
> > > are doing the same.
> > >
> > > I discovered the talkaboutautos connection in a
> > > poster's header.
> > >
> > > These forums are selling advertising based on clicks,
> > > and they are using newsgroup material to generate these
> > > clicks.
> > >
> > > Perhaps, when we discover another plaigiarist, we could
> > > click onto their advertisers and let them know where
> > > the content of the forum actually comes from. The forum
> > > doesn't really have the support/traffic it appears to
> > > have.
> > >
> > > I've never been into talkaboutautos.com before today,
> > > but I have been posted there all along.
> > >
> > > Let's build a list of plagiarists, and let their
> > > advertisers know what we know.....
> > >
> > > If we build the list here at rec.autos.tech, it will
> > > automatically play on the plagiarist sites, so list
> > > them - and perhaps some of their key advertisers -
> > > right here. They'll handle our distribution for us.
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------------------
> > > PLAGIARIST LIST
> > >
> > > • autoforums.com
> > >
> > >
> > > • talkaboutautos.com -
> > > www.trussvillemazda.com/partsstore;
> > > http://www.alldatadiy.com/;
> > >
> >
> http://www.allautoequip.com/Mazda.ht...azda_MX-6_.php
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Google Groups is another, but plagiarism is not exactly
> > what happens. You see, the Usenet is a PUBLIC use service
> > and the posts to any news group can be carried by any
> > number of news servers (even AOL). These new Web Based
> > GUIs are just another way of offering the news groups to
> > the public. No rights have been violated. I do agree that
> > their use is a poor way to read and post to UseNet, and
> > they are often used by clueless web surfers who have no
> > Idea of what a Use Net is or what it is for, and some of
> > the web based interfaces do a **** poor job of collecting
> > and distributing the news groups. This is just another
> > case of the internet being used for financial gain and in
> > my mind goes in the same box as spamming and phishing. --
> > Kevin Mouton
> > Automotive Technology Instructor
> > "If women don't find you handsome, they should at least
> > find you handy" Red Green
> >
> >
> >
>
> What I find so onerous is the fact that any perceived
> attempt at advertising here on rec.autos.tech is jumped
> upon by the self-appointed 'net cops, yet our thoughts,
> comments, ideas, suggestions, etc. are the base for someone
> else making a profit from advertising.
>
> I've got to believe that slipping a little ad into one's
> sig has much more value than the exposure on the usenet.
>
> Due to publishing contracts, I am not allowed to offer ANY
> automotive advice under my own name. Others own my name in
> that context.
>
> Were it not for that, I might consider developing a sig
> with a tag-line message to take advantage of the many
> places my stuff seems to be published.
>
> "Call on us for all your "*****" needs in the Northeast...."

The ONLY way to keep your INFO from being used by ANYONE for ANY
purpose, is to NOT POST IT. It's elementary, rudimentary, and
not illegal to use any publicly available information in any way
one wishes to, the same as it's no indication that what YOU post
is actually YOURS and not gleaned from any other person's
education, experience, or properties, intellectual or otherwise,
regardless of your claims. You cannot even copyright or
trademark anything publicly and in a venue such as this and make
it stick that this was the source it was stolen from. It's just
like most spam: It's not illegal either.
What you want is a moderated, controlled, private forum to
post in. There are such things but they're not nearly as useful
as a group like this is.

Personally, any advice I give is actually meant to be (assuming
I'm accurate, and if I'm not, it's usually pointed out) dispersed
as widely as possible to the largest audience possible. I don't
post about my perpetual motion machine successes here because I
obviously don't want the world to know about them yet. But, I'll
post about the neat way I found to put my little finger over the
gizmo to make the whatsit do the other noisy thingies; that I
want the world to enjoy.

It's perception vs reality. Perception is often wrong, but
perception IS reality to the perceiver.

Pop


Pop

Well said, Pop.


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