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Stupid strut cars
Why do so many car manufacturers make cars that require struts these days ?
Shocks are about 15 to 20 times cheaper to install. And who needs $1000.00 airbags, when seat belts work just fine ? Newfangled, easily crunchable JUNK ! |
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In article >,
"Tim Kett" > wrote: > Why do so many car manufacturers make cars that require struts these days ? > > Shocks are about 15 to 20 times cheaper to install. > > And who needs $1000.00 airbags, when seat belts work just fine ? > > Newfangled, easily crunchable JUNK ! Lemme take a wild guess here... You attempted to replace the struts on your Saturn and things didn't go exactly as planned? |
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"aarcuda69062" > wrote in message
... > In article >, > "Tim Kett" > wrote: > > > Why do so many car manufacturers make cars that require struts these days ? > > > > Shocks are about 15 to 20 times cheaper to install. > > > > And who needs $1000.00 airbags, when seat belts work just fine ? > > > > Newfangled, easily crunchable JUNK ! > > Lemme take a wild guess here... > > You attempted to replace the struts on your Saturn and things > didn't go exactly as planned? No, but I might get it done in the spring, if I feel I cant handle it properly. Shocks, no problem, but even with proper tools and info, struts are a time consuming pain in the butt + the required alignment afterward. All well, I will keep restoring my truck, which is much cheaper and easier to keep on the road. Just what *is* the advantage of struts on a non-performance car ? A teeny amount of weight less ? |
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On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 23:12:06 -0500, "Tim Kett"
> wrote: >Why do so many car manufacturers make cars that require struts these days ? > For the same reason they do most things. It's cheaper to build em with struts because they can get rid of several other parts you would need to have if it just used shocks. >Shocks are about 15 to 20 times cheaper to install. > >And who needs $1000.00 airbags, when seat belts work just fine ? > >Newfangled, easily crunchable JUNK ! > > > -- Elbridge Gerry, of Massachusetts: "What, sir, is the use of militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty. . . Whenever Government means to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise a standing army upon its ruins." -- Debate, U.S. House of Representatives, August 17, 1789 |
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"AZGuy" > wrote in message
... > On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 23:12:06 -0500, "Tim Kett" > > wrote: > > >Why do so many car manufacturers make cars that require struts these days ? > > > > For the same reason they do most things. It's cheaper to build em > with struts because they can get rid of several other parts you would > need to have if it just used shocks. > Thanks ! I dont like it, but what you said makes sense. |
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Tim Kett wrote:
> > No, but I might get it done in the spring, if I feel I cant handle it > properly. Shocks, no problem, but even with proper tools and info, struts > are a time consuming pain in the butt + the required alignment afterward. > All well, I will keep restoring my truck, which is much cheaper and easier > to keep on the road. Just what *is* the advantage of struts on a > non-performance car ? A teeny amount of weight less ? > Less parts. Instead of two control arms, two balljoints, shocks, spring, bushings, ... you have one control arm, one balljoint and one strut assembly with the shock & spring. They have to align the front end on the assembly line anyway... Assembly line time is big money - if they can save 5 minutes per car on assembling the front end x 200,000 cars, that's a lot of $. So, yeah, it really has nothing to do with performance or servicing. Not too many performance cars come with struts - although I think the Boxster does... Other than the alignment, they're not that hard - unless removing seized up shock bolts is your idea of a good time. Ray |
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Tim Kett wrote:
> Why do so many car manufacturers make cars that require struts these days ? > > Shocks are about 15 to 20 times cheaper to install. > > And who needs $1000.00 airbags, when seat belts work just fine ? > > Newfangled, easily crunchable JUNK ! > Ah, but a strut and strut bearing replaces the upper control arm and ball joint, so that's two bushings and a ball joint that you won't have to replace. Win some, lose some. I don't really think it's that big a deal overall, might be a little more expensive but overall probably not much. A strut type suspension also allows more room for stuff in the engine bay, which IMHO is a Good Thing The fact that Porsche uses struts shows that they don't negatively impact handling, at least in normal street use... I do agree with you on airbags though, I'm fairly happy without them. If I had the choice, I probably wouldn't pay the extra for them on a new car, as I can't remember the last time I moved a car more than 10 feet without a seatbelt on. Well, actually, yes I can - I picked up an old car in Philly for a friend and it didn't *have* seatbelts. That was maybe 2-3 years ago. nate -- replace "fly" with "com" to reply. http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel |
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On Thu, 23 Dec 2004, Tim Kett wrote:
> Just what *is* the advantage of struts on a non-performance car? Easier (cheaper) manufacture of the front suspension components Easier (cheaper) factory installation of the front suspension assembly More compact packaging |
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