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  #41  
Old May 6th 05, 11:26 PM
Rod Speed
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"Lorenzo L. Love" > wrote in message
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> Mike Wilcox wrote:
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>> Scott en Aztlán wrote:
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>>> On Fri, 06 May 2005 09:17:53 -0700, Brigid Nelson
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> One word - biodiesel.
>>>>
>>>> You will pay more at the pump, that is until gas prices exceed the current
>>>> 3.10 per gallon cost of biodiesel. Out here on the west coast, that could
>>>> well be this summer.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So what are the limits on biodiesel production? Assuming cost were no
>>> object, how many barrels (or their equivalents) could be produced in
>>> the US today? What are the limits on biodiesel production? For
>>> example, does it depend on used fry grease from McDonald's, or similar
>>> sources that are difficult to scale?
>>>

>>
>>
>> Here it is in a nutshell, if you took every square inch of arable land and
>> put it into production of oil producing crops ( soybeans,corn etc...) it
>> wouldn't even cover 5% of today's consumption of oil.
>> This also means we would have no land to grow food or feed stock for the
>> animals we eat ;~)


> Even if you don't take it that far, it's a dead end.


Bull****.

> Any increase in the amount of land put under agricultural use means an
> increase in the already unsustainable rate of soil erosion and freshwater
> aquifer depletion,


Bull****.

> bringing closer the day when we run out of the most fundamental natural
> resources, soil and water.


More bull****.

> As for used fast food oil, most of that is already recycled into soap,
> lubricants and animal feed.


More bull****. And that is a worse
alterative to using for a car fuel, stupd.

> The little available is sufficient for the bio-fuel hobbyists and enthusiasts
> but in no way adequate for widespread use.


Duh.


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  #42  
Old May 7th 05, 12:16 AM
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DTJ wrote:
> On Fri, 6 May 2005 10:07:27 -0500, barbie gee > wrote:
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>>why does everyone think it's ONLY about money saved?
>>what about gasoline saved?
>>we can make more money, we can't make more oil...

>
>
> We sure seem to be. We discover more new oil every year than what we
> use.


Nope, last I heard we are only finding one new barrel for every two we use.
  #43  
Old May 7th 05, 12:21 AM
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>>GM is so stupid that it once announced record bonuses
>>for its executives just days before demanding concessions
>>from the union employees.


> wow


> what year was that?


It may have been in the mid-1990s, when the last major labor contract
was negotiated, or the previous time. In comparison, when a supplier
to Ford, maybe Lear-Sigler or Johnson Controls, had a strike, Ford
refused to accept supplies from them until the strike was settled. And
when Ross Perot was on the board of GM, he visited the UAW, which they
really appreciated because no GM higher-ups had ever done that before.

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Old May 7th 05, 12:47 AM
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Scott en Aztl=E1n wrote:

>(*) I live in Earthquake Country, so when The Big One [tm]
>hits, I want to have an off-road-capable escape vehicle
>available. Recall the images from last season's hurricanes
>in Florida - all those people trying to flee the coastal
>areas at once completely choked every road with traffic.
>There are over 15 million people in the LA basin; when
>TBO hits, our roads will be orders of magnitude worse.
>Millions will drown when the tsunamis hit the coast. My
>plan is to pick up an SUV for next to nothing, file a PNO
>(Planned Non-Operation) on it so I don't have to pay
>registration or insurance, and then just park it until
>disaster strikes. Then I'll pile the family into the SUV
>and take off over the truck trails to cross the Santa Ana
>mountains and get to safety.
>
>Nobody better steal my idea, either.


1987 - Ritch "For I Am Canyon Man" Shydner. You owe it to him.

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Old May 7th 05, 01:43 AM
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On Fri, 06 May 2005 19:16:13 -0400, Mike Wilcox
> wrote:

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>DTJ wrote:
>> On Fri, 6 May 2005 10:07:27 -0500, barbie gee > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>why does everyone think it's ONLY about money saved?
>>>what about gasoline saved?
>>>we can make more money, we can't make more oil...

>>
>>
>> We sure seem to be. We discover more new oil every year than what we
>> use.

>
>Nope, last I heard we are only finding one new barrel for every two we use.


Actually, I recently heard about some new oil pocket discovery in
Idaho that is apparently pretty large. Of course, just when the
details would be useful they escape me...

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Old May 7th 05, 01:48 AM
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On 6 May 2005 16:47:53 -0700, wrote:

>>Nobody better steal my idea, either.

>
>1987 - Ritch "For I Am Canyon Man" Shydner. You owe it to him.


Is the "Canyon Man" routine available on video?

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Old May 7th 05, 02:10 AM
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On Fri, 06 May 2005 19:43:00 -0500, Scott en Aztlán
> wrote:

>On Fri, 06 May 2005 19:16:13 -0400, Mike Wilcox
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>DTJ wrote:
>>> On Fri, 6 May 2005 10:07:27 -0500, barbie gee > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>why does everyone think it's ONLY about money saved?
>>>>what about gasoline saved?
>>>>we can make more money, we can't make more oil...
>>>
>>>
>>> We sure seem to be. We discover more new oil every year than what we
>>> use.

>>
>>Nope, last I heard we are only finding one new barrel for every two we use.

>
>Actually, I recently heard about some new oil pocket discovery in
>Idaho that is apparently pretty large. Of course, just when the
>details would be useful they escape me...



Googling on "Oil discovery Idaho" I found the following:
http://proliberty.com/observer/20040212.htm
According to the best estimates of a number of respected international
geologists, including the French Petroleum Institute, Colorado School
of Mines, Uppsala University and Petroconsultants in Geneva, the world
will likely feel the impact of the peaking of most of the present
large oil fields and the dramatic fall in supply by 2010, or possibly
even several years sooner. At that point, the world economy will face
shocks which will make the oil price rises of the 1970s pale by
contrast.

In other words, we face a major global energy shortage for the prime
fuel of our entire economy within about seven years.

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Old May 7th 05, 03:18 AM
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Brigid Nelson wrote:
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> There's a lot of info online about it and community groups are beginning
> to sprout up in the usual places. Those who oppose it claim that the
> resources we would need to exploit in order to grow that much grain
> makes it as potentially ecologically damaging as petrol products. I
> personally don't buy that argument, and as someone who doesn't eat grain
> I think it's better used as fuel - and feeding livestock.



as an aside, couldnt biodiesel be made from, say, chicken
grease/hamburger drippings, etc? im sure that all ends up in fry oil,
when you fry fish, nuggets, etc... some fat from the meat ends up in
there as well.

and currently, AFAIK, all that grease/oil/etc is recycled by companies
that turn it into ingredients for everything from dog food to makeup.

so expect prices on that stuff to go up as well, if we start refining it
and burning it in diesel engines on a large scale. in other words, there
is already a demand for that supply of waste oil. its not like it gets
dumped in landfills. or does it?
  #49  
Old May 7th 05, 03:20 AM
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Scott en Aztlán wrote:
> Nobody better steal my idea, either.


ive already got a yamaha XT225 in the garage, so im all set!
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Old May 7th 05, 03:22 AM
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Jon von Leipzig wrote:
> Headline shudda been:
> "Millions of SUV owners stand pat"


for now. and how many of those millions own, vs lease? the ones locked
into a lease arent going anywhere for a couple years. theyll be paying
and paying for the next 2+ years, and if they have any common sense,
will trade down when the term is up.
 




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