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Need ingition control module (ignitor in distributor) for 1995 Civic
I NEED AN ICM. IGNITION CONTROL MODULE
HELP! This is a charity job. $178 is WAY TOO much to spend at autozone! My local boneyard doesn't have a distributor... gave me a price of $150 to $200 if they can locate one! WHAT? Well I guess that includes a bunch of stuff in it that I don't need. If I can locate one myself, I doubt they'll break out just the ignitor for me. Some kindhearted fellow Honda wrencher got one of these? It's a 95 Civic with 1.5 VTEC. My understanding is it's the same part from 94 (not D15B7, D15B8 OK), 95, 96, 97 (including 1.6) (also VTEC or not), and who know what else??? Wells number is JP129? I'd pay shipping cost plus a small fee if you gotta get something for it (charity job for my efforts, I can charge something for parts if I have to). Hopefully, someone can help me out. I have yet to check ebay. Owner will just unload this car if I can't fix it real cheap. I buy complete parts cars for way less than this! But, I can't wait for one to come through the auction... not to mention the weather here in New Hampshire right now! In2hoppn reply here or reply direct... but not worldpath anymore... it's metrocast instead... |
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Are you talking about the ignitor? That module with four connections
inside the distributor, right? I needed one about 1/2 year ago for our Integra and paid about $70 delivered from carpartsamerica.com (there are other places out there that offer similar prices). Remco |
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You can use the larger ICM from a Accord in the Civic distributor. It's
larger mass (heatshink) is less prone to failure. What part of the world you live in?????? You have a D15Z1 (VX) motor if live in USA/CAnada. The ignitors of all 92-95 Civic's are the same anyways. $167 from a dealer, Autozone has to be cheaper. There is a great Acura Dealer in Hew Hampshire......... http://www.acuraparts247.com/sunnyside/jsp/home.jsp Here you go, Napa $92.95 http://www.napaonline.com/cgi-bin/nc...ine/search_res ults_product_detail.d2w/report?prrfnbr=28520386&prmenbr=5806&usrcommgrpid= 80 507427 They might be able to get it for you. "In2hoppn" > wrote in message ... > I NEED AN ICM. IGNITION CONTROL MODULE > HELP! This is a charity job. $178 is WAY TOO much to spend at autozone! > My local boneyard doesn't have a distributor... gave me a price of $150 to > $200 if they can locate one! WHAT? Well I guess that includes a bunch of > stuff in it that I don't need. If I can locate one myself, I doubt they'll > break out just the ignitor for me. > > Some kindhearted fellow Honda wrencher got one of these? It's a 95 Civic > with 1.5 VTEC. My understanding is it's the same part from 94 (not D15B7, > D15B8 OK), 95, 96, 97 (including 1.6) (also VTEC or not), and who know what > else??? > Wells number is JP129? I'd pay shipping cost plus a small fee if you gotta > get something for it (charity job for my efforts, I can charge something for > parts if I have to). > > Hopefully, someone can help me out. I have yet to check ebay. Owner will > just unload this car if I can't fix it real cheap. I buy complete parts > cars for way less than this! But, I can't wait for one to come through the > auction... not to mention the weather here in New Hampshire right now! > > In2hoppn > > reply here or reply direct... but not worldpath anymore... it's metrocast > instead... > > |
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One more thing -- once you do replace it, be sure to put a small blob
of heatsink compound under the device (Radio Shack); it will help get rid of the heat. The original one on our Integra did not have any of this stuff under if and may have contributed to its untimely demise. Remco |
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I shopped around a little. Autozone is insane with their price on this
item! This honda is NUTS! I HATE HONDA.... PERIOD. (of course, I hate em all, especially whatever brand is currently giving me a headache at the moment!!) : ) This 1995 Honda Civic LX 4 door sedan says VTEC (pronounced VEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEETEK) on the engine. But, I am now told by someone (who looks to be correct) that 1995 Civic 4 door never came with VTEC. Nowhere on the car is to be found numbers that even vaguely resemble codes D15B7, D15B8, or D15Z1. Are these just "hat" numbers that get pulled out of books or charts (hats)?? Anyway, I think I have a "swapped" engine in this thing. Parts stores and junkyards tell me LX, CX, DX are same distributors, EX is different. And this is supposedly after me telling them this is a VTEC. But then I see in the owners manual that LX and DX are DOHC (nonVTEC), and EX is DOHC VTEC! For what it's worth (or not), this is a Japan model. VIN is JHMEG8669SS027974 What exactly is the difference between VTEC and nonVTEC distributors?? End of shaft? Housing? Innards? I'm looking at used distributors, I'd prefer to get one that can be completely swapped in if necessary! Are the coils the same also? Ever since I discovered I was hooked on to the + coil lead and tach lead on the ignitor, (instead of across the primary side of coil where I wanted to be), I'm no longer completely confident that loosing the signal when it died means conclusively that it's the ignitor. I wonder if intermittant coil failure could still be the culprit. I don't care to hook back up and drive it for another week or two or month before it dies again! (See thread titled "Need advice... 95 Civic dies and won't start, but then starts and is fine." for more info on that) My Vantage meter is worth more than this car. So if someone can tell me how one identifies an actual engine, and/or how one identifies a certain distributor's application concerns... that would be helpful at this point. And one more thing, does the fact that it says VTEC on the engine mean it really has to be? Or can someone just swap that cover?!? Thanks all In2 "Mista Bone" > wrote in message ... > You can use the larger ICM from a Accord in the Civic distributor. It's > larger mass (heatshink) is less prone to failure. > > What part of the world you live in?????? > You have a D15Z1 (VX) motor if live in USA/CAnada. > The ignitors of all 92-95 Civic's are the same anyways. > > $167 from a dealer, Autozone has to be cheaper. > > There is a great Acura Dealer in Hew Hampshire......... > http://www.acuraparts247.com/sunnyside/jsp/home.jsp > > Here you go, Napa $92.95 > http://www.napaonline.com/cgi-bin/nc...ine/search_res > ults_product_detail.d2w/report?prrfnbr=28520386&prmenbr=5806&usrcommgrpid= 80 > 507427 > > They might be able to get it for you. > "In2hoppn" > wrote in message > ... > > I NEED AN ICM. IGNITION CONTROL MODULE > > HELP! This is a charity job. $178 is WAY TOO much to spend at autozone! > > My local boneyard doesn't have a distributor... gave me a price of $150 to > > $200 if they can locate one! WHAT? Well I guess that includes a bunch of > > stuff in it that I don't need. If I can locate one myself, I doubt > they'll > > break out just the ignitor for me. > > > > Some kindhearted fellow Honda wrencher got one of these? It's a 95 Civic > > with 1.5 VTEC. My understanding is it's the same part from 94 (not D15B7, > > D15B8 OK), 95, 96, 97 (including 1.6) (also VTEC or not), and who know > what > > else??? > > Wells number is JP129? I'd pay shipping cost plus a small fee if you > gotta > > get something for it (charity job for my efforts, I can charge something > for > > parts if I have to). > > > > Hopefully, someone can help me out. I have yet to check ebay. Owner will > > just unload this car if I can't fix it real cheap. I buy complete parts > > cars for way less than this! But, I can't wait for one to come through > the > > auction... not to mention the weather here in New Hampshire right now! > > > > In2hoppn > > > > reply here or reply direct... but not worldpath anymore... it's metrocast > > instead... > > > > > > |
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In2hoppn wrote:
> Nowhere on the car is to be found numbers that even vaguely resemble codes > D15B7, D15B8, or D15Z1. shouldnt it be *somewhere* on the block? like near the tranny bellhousing? |
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"SoCalMike" > wrote in message ... > In2hoppn wrote: > > Nowhere on the car is to be found numbers that even vaguely resemble codes > > D15B7, D15B8, or D15Z1. > > shouldnt it be *somewhere* on the block? like near the tranny bellhousing? There is an engine number on the block near tranny. But it's not an engine code like these. I'll have to clean it a little better to get the number accurately, but haven't found anywhere yet that references that number to engine type. Thnx for your imput, again! I was looking at a parts website http://pa.partsandacessories.com (it works well to list different vehicles and lets you quickly quote part numbers and prices (steep?)... I found that basically, it's the same coil and ignitor accross the board, D15B7, D15B/Z8, D16Z6, D15Z1... including Del Sol V-TEC DOHC 94 - 95 B16A3. Of couse, not Honda anywhere was listed as a 1.5 VTEC, and D15B8 was not to be found on the entire site! So that's probably the engine I have in this thing ; ) Another parts site did let me look at D15B8 which is under 95 Civic CX (I'm surfing in one window, typing here in another!) and it showed coil and ignitor as same part numbers (different distibutors though). I guess I can get it figured out. But any more info regarding figuring out which engine I have from anyone would still be welcome! Thanks all In2hoppn |
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In2hoppn wrote: > > This 1995 Honda Civic LX 4 door sedan says VTEC (pronounced > VEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEETEK) on the engine. > But, I am now told by someone (who looks to be correct) that 1995 Civic 4 > door > never came with VTEC. The 4-door EX came with a 1.6 liter VTEC engine (D16Z6 ?), as did the EX coupe and the Si hatch. The VX hatch had a 1.5 liter VTEC-e engine. All other sizes and shapes had 1.5 liter engines without VTEC. > > Nowhere on the car is to be found numbers that even vaguely resemble codes > D15B7, D15B8, or D15Z1. The engine number should be stamped on the upper front of the engine, right next to the transmission bell housing. > Parts stores and junkyards tell me LX, CX, DX are same distributors, EX is > different. And this is supposedly after me telling them this is a VTEC. > But then I see in the owners manual that LX and DX are DOHC (nonVTEC), and > EX is DOHC > VTEC! This is not correct. All the '95 Civic engines were SOHC, with or without VTEC. The question is why the specimen at hand, an LX, has VTEC stamped on the valve cover. A very popular conversion ("mini-me") is to put the VTEC head from the 1.6 liter on the non-VTEC 1.5 liter. Perhaps that is what happened? Or it could be an outright engine swap. > For what it's worth (or not), this is a Japan model. VIN is > JHMEG8669SS027974 This should be a Japanese made (Suzuka factory) 4 door Civic LX with ABS and a 1.5 liter, non VTEC SOHC engine, code D15B7. > What exactly is the difference between VTEC and nonVTEC distributors?? End > of shaft? Housing? Innards? > I'm looking at used distributors, I'd prefer to get one that can be > completely swapped in if necessary! The VTEC head is different from the non VTEC head, so I am not surprised that they use different distributors. Don't know what the differences are, though. Are you sure you need a new distributor? The ignition control unit is replaceable by itself. > Are the coils the same also? > Ever since I discovered I was hooked on to the + coil lead and tach lead on > the ignitor, (instead of across the primary side of coil where I wanted to > be), I'm no longer > completely confident that loosing the signal when it died means conclusively > that it's the ignitor. The ICU is a known weak spot on that generation Civic. > I wonder if intermittant coil failure could still be > the culprit. I don't care to hook back up and drive it for another week or > two or month before it dies again! (See thread titled "Need advice... 95 > Civic dies and won't start, but then starts and is fine." for more info on > that) My Vantage meter is worth more than this car. > > So if someone can tell me how one identifies an actual engine, and/or how > one identifies a certain distributor's application concerns... that would be > helpful at this point. > And one more thing, does the fact that it says VTEC on the engine mean it > really has to be? Or can someone just swap that cover?!? > Thanks all > In2 > > "Mista Bone" > wrote in message > ... > > You can use the larger ICM from a Accord in the Civic distributor. It's > > larger mass (heatshink) is less prone to failure. > > > > What part of the world you live in?????? > > You have a D15Z1 (VX) motor if live in USA/CAnada. > > The ignitors of all 92-95 Civic's are the same anyways. > > > > $167 from a dealer, Autozone has to be cheaper. > > > > There is a great Acura Dealer in Hew Hampshire......... > > http://www.acuraparts247.com/sunnyside/jsp/home.jsp > > > > Here you go, Napa $92.95 > > > http://www.napaonline.com/cgi-bin/nc...ine/search_res > > > ults_product_detail.d2w/report?prrfnbr=28520386&prmenbr=5806&usrcommgrpid= 80 > > 507427 > > > > They might be able to get it for you. > > "In2hoppn" > wrote in message > > ... > > > I NEED AN ICM. IGNITION CONTROL MODULE > > > HELP! This is a charity job. $178 is WAY TOO much to spend at > autozone! > > > My local boneyard doesn't have a distributor... gave me a price of $150 > to > > > $200 if they can locate one! WHAT? Well I guess that includes a bunch > of > > > stuff in it that I don't need. If I can locate one myself, I doubt > > they'll > > > break out just the ignitor for me. > > > > > > Some kindhearted fellow Honda wrencher got one of these? It's a 95 > Civic > > > with 1.5 VTEC. My understanding is it's the same part from 94 (not > D15B7, > > > D15B8 OK), 95, 96, 97 (including 1.6) (also VTEC or not), and who know > > what > > > else??? > > > Wells number is JP129? I'd pay shipping cost plus a small fee if you > > gotta > > > get something for it (charity job for my efforts, I can charge something > > for > > > parts if I have to). > > > > > > Hopefully, someone can help me out. I have yet to check ebay. Owner > will > > > just unload this car if I can't fix it real cheap. I buy complete parts > > > cars for way less than this! But, I can't wait for one to come through > > the > > > auction... not to mention the weather here in New Hampshire right now! > > > > > > In2hoppn > > > > > > reply here or reply direct... but not worldpath anymore... it's > metrocast > > > instead... > > > > > > > > > > |
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The difference in the dist. is just the mounting legs.
CX/DX/LX non VTEC are the same, the EX/Si/VX are slightly different housing, but same internals. Either way, they all used the same ignitors. "Randolph" > wrote in message ... > > In2hoppn wrote: > > > > This 1995 Honda Civic LX 4 door sedan says VTEC (pronounced > > VEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEETEK) on the engine. > > But, I am now told by someone (who looks to be correct) that 1995 Civic 4 > > door > > never came with VTEC. > > The 4-door EX came with a 1.6 liter VTEC engine (D16Z6 ?), as did the EX > coupe and the Si hatch. The VX hatch had a 1.5 liter VTEC-e engine. All > other sizes and shapes had 1.5 liter engines without VTEC. > > > > Nowhere on the car is to be found numbers that even vaguely resemble codes > > D15B7, D15B8, or D15Z1. > > The engine number should be stamped on the upper front of the engine, > right next to the transmission bell housing. > > > Parts stores and junkyards tell me LX, CX, DX are same distributors, EX is > > different. And this is supposedly after me telling them this is a VTEC. > > But then I see in the owners manual that LX and DX are DOHC (nonVTEC), and > > EX is DOHC > VTEC! > > This is not correct. All the '95 Civic engines were SOHC, with or > without VTEC. > > The question is why the specimen at hand, an LX, has VTEC stamped on the > valve cover. A very popular conversion ("mini-me") is to put the VTEC > head from the 1.6 liter on the non-VTEC 1.5 liter. Perhaps that is what > happened? Or it could be an outright engine swap. > > > For what it's worth (or not), this is a Japan model. VIN is > > JHMEG8669SS027974 > > This should be a Japanese made (Suzuka factory) 4 door Civic LX with ABS > and a 1.5 liter, non VTEC SOHC engine, code D15B7. > > > What exactly is the difference between VTEC and nonVTEC distributors?? End > > of shaft? Housing? Innards? > > I'm looking at used distributors, I'd prefer to get one that can be > > completely swapped in if necessary! > > The VTEC head is different from the non VTEC head, so I am not surprised > that they use different distributors. Don't know what the differences > are, though. Are you sure you need a new distributor? The ignition > control unit is replaceable by itself. > > > > Are the coils the same also? > > Ever since I discovered I was hooked on to the + coil lead and tach lead on > > the ignitor, (instead of across the primary side of coil where I wanted to > > be), I'm no longer > > completely confident that loosing the signal when it died means conclusively > > that it's the ignitor. > > The ICU is a known weak spot on that generation Civic. > > > I wonder if intermittant coil failure could still be > > the culprit. I don't care to hook back up and drive it for another week or > > two or month before it dies again! (See thread titled "Need advice... 95 > > Civic dies and won't start, but then starts and is fine." for more info on > > that) My Vantage meter is worth more than this car. > > > > So if someone can tell me how one identifies an actual engine, and/or how > > one identifies a certain distributor's application concerns... that would be > > helpful at this point. > > And one more thing, does the fact that it says VTEC on the engine mean it > > really has to be? Or can someone just swap that cover?!? > > Thanks all > > In2 > > > > "Mista Bone" > wrote in message > > ... > > > You can use the larger ICM from a Accord in the Civic distributor. It's > > > larger mass (heatshink) is less prone to failure. > > > > > > What part of the world you live in?????? > > > You have a D15Z1 (VX) motor if live in USA/CAnada. > > > The ignitors of all 92-95 Civic's are the same anyways. > > > > > > $167 from a dealer, Autozone has to be cheaper. > > > > > > There is a great Acura Dealer in Hew Hampshire......... > > > http://www.acuraparts247.com/sunnyside/jsp/home.jsp > > > > > > Here you go, Napa $92.95 > > > > > http://www.napaonline.com/cgi-bin/nc...ine/search_res > > > > > ults_product_detail.d2w/report?prrfnbr=28520386&prmenbr=5806&usrcommgrpid= 80 > > > 507427 > > > > > > They might be able to get it for you. > > > "In2hoppn" > wrote in message > > > ... > > > > I NEED AN ICM. IGNITION CONTROL MODULE > > > > HELP! This is a charity job. $178 is WAY TOO much to spend at > > autozone! > > > > My local boneyard doesn't have a distributor... gave me a price of $150 > > to > > > > $200 if they can locate one! WHAT? Well I guess that includes a bunch > > of > > > > stuff in it that I don't need. If I can locate one myself, I doubt > > > they'll > > > > break out just the ignitor for me. > > > > > > > > Some kindhearted fellow Honda wrencher got one of these? It's a 95 > > Civic > > > > with 1.5 VTEC. My understanding is it's the same part from 94 (not > > D15B7, > > > > D15B8 OK), 95, 96, 97 (including 1.6) (also VTEC or not), and who know > > > what > > > > else??? > > > > Wells number is JP129? I'd pay shipping cost plus a small fee if you > > > gotta > > > > get something for it (charity job for my efforts, I can charge something > > > for > > > > parts if I have to). > > > > > > > > Hopefully, someone can help me out. I have yet to check ebay. Owner > > will > > > > just unload this car if I can't fix it real cheap. I buy complete parts > > > > cars for way less than this! But, I can't wait for one to come through > > > the > > > > auction... not to mention the weather here in New Hampshire right now! > > > > > > > > In2hoppn > > > > > > > > reply here or reply direct... but not worldpath anymore... it's > > metrocast > > > > instead... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
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> > Parts stores and junkyards tell me LX, CX, DX are same distributors, EX is > > different. And this is supposedly after me telling them this is a VTEC. > > But then I see in the owners manual that LX and DX are DOHC (nonVTEC), and > > EX is DOHC > VTEC! > > This is not correct. All the '95 Civic engines were SOHC, with or > without VTEC. Typo on my part. Manual said SOHC for LX and DX, but did say DOHC VTEC for EX. > The question is why the specimen at hand, an LX, has VTEC stamped on the > valve cover. A very popular conversion ("mini-me") is to put the VTEC > head from the 1.6 liter on the non-VTEC 1.5 liter. Perhaps that is what > happened? Or it could be an outright engine swap. > I snagged a nonVTEC distributor on ebay for $30 including shipping. (under the false title VTEC JDM, go figure) A little more research seemed to indicate that both ingitor and coil will be the same regardless. It would have been nice to have a completely swappable one, but those things are definitely a bit pricey! A head swap had not occured to me. That may well be the case. I'll clean up the engine numbers as see exactly what it is. What I deciphered so far just didn't seem to resemble these engine codes. But I'll see what exactly it is and go from there... just out of curriosity now. Also, there is a plug near the distributor plugs (mounted to something on the head, fuel regulator, maybe??) that is not used. It's a green 2 prong plug with nothing nearby to plug into it. It's very dirty, so nothing's been plugged into it for a long time. > The ICU is a known weak spot on that generation Civic. I hope I'm not replacing a weak one with another weak one! But this problem is unique (I hope) in that it dies only when warming up from quite cold (below freezing). Once it gets past this point by sitting 5 minutes (I assume that's because heat continues to flow into it from the engine) it works again and won't fail again. Any problems I've ever seen in the past with ignitors (Ford and Chrysler) have always been when they get hot. Then they work again when cooled down, but fail again when hot again. Or, they quit completely... it's that a little too easy to fix though?? ; ) I think I'll just replace both the coil and ignitor and HOPE it doesn't bother again! Then I can go back to hating my VWs, Buick, Pontiac, GMC van, Chevy truck, Ford Grumman, Wife's Toyota, MTD snowblower,... whatever's next ; ) Or if I make it through to spring, there's always the old KawYamaZukiHondaDavidson! That would be a 77 KZ 1000 (pronounced ten hundred ; ) ) thanks all for the help! I'll post the engine numbers! |
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