{{ OT }} Computerj (PC) Troubles with PCI Buss

On Aug 7, 6:32 pm, "Jeff Strickland" > wrote:
> Aren't computers fun...GL
>
> It behaved the same way with two different wireless adaptors and two
> different installs of WinXP Pro, and the latest install of XP did a forced
> reformat of the hard drive. I'm confident the only wireless drivers I am
> dealing with now are for the D-Link adaptor. As an aside, the machine seems
> to not care about the USB 2.0 adaptor that also uses the PCI bus. Maybe my
> hints at a badpower supplyare not accurate ...
>
> Somebody suggested a interupt conflict, but there was no change in the
> interupts between the time the machine worked okay and when it began working
> poorly. ...

Using your reasoning, I could recommend maybe 300 other reasons -
and still we have accomplished nothing. Put on blinders, spin three
times, point a shotgun, and fire. That must have fixed the problem.
We call that procedure 'shotgunning'. It only makes problems
exponentially more complex. Reloading Windows on defective hardware -
I cringe at the number of new problems added to the mix.

In you first post, you suggested a power supply. Ok. We use that
as an example. You do nothing more until you have taken the power
supply 'system' (more than just a power supply) from the unknown state
to either a 'definitively good' or 'definitively bad' state. Notice
the world is ternary - not binary.

Two minutes with a multimeter (and make not even one wire
disconnect) will identify a suspect or confirm the entire 'system' as
'definitively good'. See "When your computer dies
without warning....." starting 6 Feb 2007 in the newsgroup
alt.windows-xp at:
http://tinyurl.com/yvf9vh

In two minutes, numbers tell define the supply 'system' as
'definitively xxxx'. AND because you post those numbers, then must
other useful information is provided.

A defective power supply can make anything and everything appear
defective. If you do not first confirm that 'system' integrity, then
nothing useful can be learned.

Having confirmed power supply system, now collect other useful
information. Well you reloaded Windows. Therefore you may have
destroyed system (event) logs that stored the details of your problem
as it got worse. See what is still within those system logs. IOW
stop trying to fix anything - and making the problem exponentially
more complex. We don't fix anything until the suspect is first
identified. IOW we do as they say in CSI - "follow the evidence".
That means stop shotgunning.

Also what does Device Manager report?

Now what can cause Windows to crash or lock? Hardware list
(including software drivers) is very short - memory, CPU, power
supply system, video controller, sound card. Notice the many things
that do not lock a system - mouse, keyboard, disk drive, CD-Rom, video
monitor, etc

Responsible computer manufacturers provide diagnostics exactly for
what you are going through. If your manufacturer is not responsible,
then download the diagnostic for each hardware item from the component
manufacturer or from third parties.

IOW do not even look at Windows. Execute hardware diagnostics
without Windows. Windows will only exponentially complicate the
problem. Once each diagnostics works in a 70 degree F room, then do
then all again in another room of normal computer temperature - 100
degree F.

Heat is a diagnostic. All computers must work just fine in a 100
degree F room. Any computer that works in 70 degrees but not 100
degrees is 100% defective. Unfortunately, the naive cure symptoms
with "More Fans". Any part that fails in 100 degrees is defective and
is corrected. Heat is an excellent tool for making an intermittent
temporarily into a hard error. If you don't have a 100 degree room,
then heat components selectively with hair dryer as hot as it goes -
and then execute that diagnostic.

Meanwhile, when computer was running, load Task Manager. Have that
always on screen until computer locks. What do the various parameters
say? For example, does one task consume near 100% computer time?
Again, long before we fix things, first we identify the fault. It
saves so much time as you have already learned.

Well that is so much to do for now. Report back - especially every
number and exact text of every error message. Remember, your replies
will only be as good as information you provide. For now, stop trying
to fix anything. Until we have a suspect, fix nothing.

> Psychopath



























































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"Jeff DeWitt" > wrote in message
...
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>
>> "Earle Horton" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Jeff, power supplies are real cheap, I think you said that too. I have
>>> two
>>> or three lying around as spares, just in case. I don't think it will
>>> fix
>>> it, but you never know until you swap it out.
>>>
>>> I like a recent Windows upgrade as another possible culprit, or the
>>> software
>>> that comes with the wireless card.
>>>
>>
>> No Windows upgrade. I did a reinstall, but that was a response to the
>> problem, and the problem persists ONLY when the hardware is installed.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Are the CPU fan and the one in the power supply turning? I had one just
>>> stop once. I spotted it before anything else failed.
>>
>>
>> Yeah, the fans are running.
>>
>
>
> When you reinstalled Windows did you go to Widows Update and get all the
> latests patches?
>

How do I do that when the portal to Windows Update (the wireless adaptor)
crashes the system?

Remember, Windows will crash on the desktop, I can't initiate any program in
that condition. When I do initiate a program, the system crashes long before
any useful information can be extracted. And the crash seems to NOT present
any errors that are tracked. It (the system) simply stops responding ...




> If you did it might be that one of those cause the problem, you could try
> reloading it again and then trying the machine out before updating
> Windows.
>
> Have you checked the MB manufactures website to see if there were any
> updated drivers (especially PCI bus drivers)for the motherboard?
>
> SOMETHING happened to make a well behaved machine started doing this, and
> Windows updating itself is an obvious culprit.
>
>

I would agree, but the windows update was initiated by me in response to the
trouble-set that I am having. And, I'm still having the same trouble set.

Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> "Jeff DeWitt" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>>
>>> "Earle Horton" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Jeff, power supplies are real cheap, I think you said that too. I
>>>> have two
>>>> or three lying around as spares, just in case. I don't think it
>>>> will fix
>>>> it, but you never know until you swap it out.
>>>>
>>>> I like a recent Windows upgrade as another possible culprit, or the
>>>> software
>>>> that comes with the wireless card.
>>>>
>>>
>>> No Windows upgrade. I did a reinstall, but that was a response to
>>> the problem, and the problem persists ONLY when the hardware is
>>> installed.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Are the CPU fan and the one in the power supply turning? I had one
>>>> just
>>>> stop once. I spotted it before anything else failed.
>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah, the fans are running.
>>>
>>
>>
>> When you reinstalled Windows did you go to Widows Update and get all
>> the latests patches?
>>
>
> How do I do that when the portal to Windows Update (the wireless
> adaptor) crashes the system?
>
> Remember, Windows will crash on the desktop, I can't initiate any
> program in that condition. When I do initiate a program, the system
> crashes long before any useful information can be extracted. And the
> crash seems to NOT present any errors that are tracked. It (the system)
> simply stops responding ...
>
>
>
>
>> If you did it might be that one of those cause the problem, you could
>> try reloading it again and then trying the machine out before updating
>> Windows.
>>
>> Have you checked the MB manufactures website to see if there were any
>> updated drivers (especially PCI bus drivers)for the motherboard?
>>
>> SOMETHING happened to make a well behaved machine started doing this,
>> and Windows updating itself is an obvious culprit.
>>
>>
>
> I would agree, but the windows update was initiated by me in response to
> the trouble-set that I am having. And, I'm still having the same trouble
> set.
>

Have you tried reinstalling Windows with the wireless adapter in place?
Something else you might try first if you haven't already done it, and
that is reset the BIOS to the factory default settings.

To be really sure you have it back to default take the button battery
out for a few minutes (with the system unplugged of course). I've seen
this trick fix some weird problems.

Good luck and please keep us posted!

Jeff DeWitt

"jbjeep" > wrote in message
...
>>>> I like a recent Windows upgrade as another possible culprit, or the
>>>> software
>>>> that comes with the wireless card.
>>>
>>>No Windows upgrade. I did a reinstall, but that was a response to the
>>>problem, and the problem persists ONLY when the hardware is installed.
>>>
>
> Well, right there you just narrowed it down, its either a hardware issue
> or a driver
> issue.
>
> Here is a thought - have you tried a different "flavor" of mouse on the
> machine yet?
> -jenn
>


Flavor?

I've tried a couple of PS2 mouses (mice?) and a USB-based wireless mouse.
I've also swapped the PS2 keyboard with several more, but I've not tried a
wireless keyboard. I don't recall for certain, but I'm pretty sure I started
with a USB keyboard, but it was a wired unit.

Are those the flavors you were looking for?

I'm going to try a new power supply for $35ish, and see what happens.

There you go again, the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS,
over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents,
possessions, successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body,
Christian family, and name. What a jealous little draft dodging senile
coward from Navarre, Florida, that of course, doesn't have a DD214, it had
to have served our country for that. Who's only way to get attention is to
make a fool of its self, with its goat obsession/fetish, where it writes via
remailers, to no one's surprise. Like when the other kids laughed at its
attempt to use foul language in elementary school play grounds, but its just
gibberish. Too senile to remember what he last wrote, like the rest of
Florida. You remind me of a little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its
senseless barking it's rabid head off, me too, me too. And is too afraid to
use your name, address, or even sign your statement as any man would,
totally worthless!
Posted pornography at:
As a member of the moral majority I know what porn is when I see it!
But now worth the time to forward this low life to: ,
, , , ,
for forgery.
I thought your attacks were just personal disagreements, but with
passing of my country's Independents Day, I realize these attacks are
stemming from my love of God and America, and that's what you've been doing
all along is declaring your hatred for the United States of America, with
each declaration of my signature, but just too cowardly to be a terrorist.
It's America, love it, or leave it, so get the f*ck out!
Considering the source, which you're a habitual lair, so these plus your
other accusations would be thrown out of court.
When are you going to take responsibility for yourself, and become a
man??????????
People that follow astrology, know the traits you have listed are a
hundred eighty out from a Capricorn.
It's what you wrote, don't you want this group to see what an a**hole
you really are?????
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
http://www.billhughes.com/


"24Bit®" > wrote in message
...
>
> Considering the source, who is a habitual liar, and senile, please
> explain your statement, it seems to be clearer if read it backwards.



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"Jeff DeWitt" > wrote in message
...
....
>
> To be really sure you have it back to default take the button battery
> out for a few minutes (with the system unplugged of course). I've
> seen this trick fix some weird problems.
>
Some of them have a jumper that does this. I have seen it work too.

Cheers,

Earle

Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> "jbjeep" > wrote in message
> ...
>>>>> I like a recent Windows upgrade as another possible culprit, or the
>>>>> software
>>>>> that comes with the wireless card.
>>>>
>>>> No Windows upgrade. I did a reinstall, but that was a response to the
>>>> problem, and the problem persists ONLY when the hardware is installed.
>>>>
>>
>> Well, right there you just narrowed it down, its either a hardware
>> issue or a driver
>> issue.
>>
>> Here is a thought - have you tried a different "flavor" of mouse on
>> the machine yet?
>> -jenn
>>
>
>
> Flavor?
>
> I've tried a couple of PS2 mouses (mice?) and a USB-based wireless
> mouse. I've also swapped the PS2 keyboard with several more, but I've
> not tried a wireless keyboard. I don't recall for certain, but I'm
> pretty sure I started with a USB keyboard, but it was a wired unit.
>
> Are those the flavors you were looking for?
>
> I'm going to try a new power supply for $35ish, and see what happens.
>
>
>
Basically the only two keyboard and mouse interfaces are PS2 and USB. A
USB wireless keyboard is still a USB keyboard it just has a little more
hardware, but the computer doesn't see it any differently.

Jeff DeWitt

Earle Horton wrote:
> "Jeff DeWitt" > wrote in message
> ...
> ...
>> To be really sure you have it back to default take the button battery
>> out for a few minutes (with the system unplugged of course). I've
>> seen this trick fix some weird problems.
>>
> Some of them have a jumper that does this. I have seen it work too.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Earle
>
>
Very true, but since we don't have any idea what MB the old battery
trick is a reliable one.

Jeff if you can tell us what motherboard you have that might help.

Jeff DeWitt

And all eight things an Apple and multitasked??????
http://www.billhughes.com/thomas/mac.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O


"witfal" > wrote in message
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>
> There are Macs and two PCs in our home.
>
> All this makes me love Macs even more.
>



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