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"Ted Azito" > wrote in message om... > "maxpower" > wrote in message >... > > Thats great!!! Im sure your kids will appreciate that in the yrs to > > come..Dont forget , we didnt inherit this earth from our ansestors. we are > > borrowing it from our kids > > Auto emissions are only long term in terms of carbon dioxide. Carbon > monoxide, and hydrocarbons are reduced to CO2 in a few hours in the > atmosphere. Of course, you forgot that when hydrocarbons are reduced to CO2 in the atmosphere, this happens by combination with NoX, which produces ozone, which is a serious pollutant in the lower atmosphere. > Oxides of nitrogen may be a little more durable but not > much. Not true. In fact NoX emissions are the worst of all. At lower levels they combine with hydrocarbons to produce ozone. In fact, if enough sunlight is available the chemical reaction continually breaks apart and puts back together the NoX molecules, this process continues indefinitely, consuming hydrocarbons and spewing out ozone. As plants produce a large number of hydrocarbons, introducing NoX into the mix will create large amounts of ozone. At higher levels in the atmosphere where there is higher solar energy available, and fewer to no hydrocarbons, the reaction is quite different, instead what is consumed is ozone itself. NoX is mostly removed from the atmosphere by rain, creating acid rain. > Cat converters are a cancer on the ass of America and produce > only short term improvements, relevant only in cities like LA and > Denver. Where I live emmissions control does nothing for average air > quality except in a really bad traffic jam. > Not perhaps at ground level, however it does destroy the ozone layer in the stratosphere. Why do you think incidence of skin cancer is so high now? > And I'm not worried about the federales whatsoever. The State guys > could cause trouble but they have to prove I was the one who did it. > Even so all they can do is make me fix it. No, what they do is if your a shop and they think your doing this they run a staged vehicle through your shop, and if it comes out with a punched cat, then they give you a choice of either paying a fine or fixing it for all the customers they think you punched cats on. If they keep getting reports that your still punching cats then the next time they run a staged vehicle through and it comes back punched, then they don't bother giving you the option to fix the cats anymore, they just fine you. And what your missing is that the very reason that this is an administrative violation, is because the state doesen't have to meet the burden of "beyond a reasonable doubt" if you try fighting it. This is why speeding tickets aren't misdemeanors, didn't you know that? The very reason that the states keep them administrative violations, rather than actual criminal actions, is because as long as the ticket isn't a crime, the accuser (the state) isn't legally required to prove anything. You should talk to a few people someday that have been fined for exceeding their fishing or hunting tags and see just how much the state had to prove. Also with the newer vehicles that have post-cat emissions sensors, your never going to be able to get the check engine light to turn off, which kind of limits your ability to resell the car. Ted |
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"Ted Azito" > wrote in message om... > "maxpower" > wrote in message >... > > Thats great!!! Im sure your kids will appreciate that in the yrs to > > come..Dont forget , we didnt inherit this earth from our ansestors. we are > > borrowing it from our kids > > Auto emissions are only long term in terms of carbon dioxide. Carbon > monoxide, and hydrocarbons are reduced to CO2 in a few hours in the > atmosphere. Of course, you forgot that when hydrocarbons are reduced to CO2 in the atmosphere, this happens by combination with NoX, which produces ozone, which is a serious pollutant in the lower atmosphere. > Oxides of nitrogen may be a little more durable but not > much. Not true. In fact NoX emissions are the worst of all. At lower levels they combine with hydrocarbons to produce ozone. In fact, if enough sunlight is available the chemical reaction continually breaks apart and puts back together the NoX molecules, this process continues indefinitely, consuming hydrocarbons and spewing out ozone. As plants produce a large number of hydrocarbons, introducing NoX into the mix will create large amounts of ozone. At higher levels in the atmosphere where there is higher solar energy available, and fewer to no hydrocarbons, the reaction is quite different, instead what is consumed is ozone itself. NoX is mostly removed from the atmosphere by rain, creating acid rain. > Cat converters are a cancer on the ass of America and produce > only short term improvements, relevant only in cities like LA and > Denver. Where I live emmissions control does nothing for average air > quality except in a really bad traffic jam. > Not perhaps at ground level, however it does destroy the ozone layer in the stratosphere. Why do you think incidence of skin cancer is so high now? > And I'm not worried about the federales whatsoever. The State guys > could cause trouble but they have to prove I was the one who did it. > Even so all they can do is make me fix it. No, what they do is if your a shop and they think your doing this they run a staged vehicle through your shop, and if it comes out with a punched cat, then they give you a choice of either paying a fine or fixing it for all the customers they think you punched cats on. If they keep getting reports that your still punching cats then the next time they run a staged vehicle through and it comes back punched, then they don't bother giving you the option to fix the cats anymore, they just fine you. And what your missing is that the very reason that this is an administrative violation, is because the state doesen't have to meet the burden of "beyond a reasonable doubt" if you try fighting it. This is why speeding tickets aren't misdemeanors, didn't you know that? The very reason that the states keep them administrative violations, rather than actual criminal actions, is because as long as the ticket isn't a crime, the accuser (the state) isn't legally required to prove anything. You should talk to a few people someday that have been fined for exceeding their fishing or hunting tags and see just how much the state had to prove. Also with the newer vehicles that have post-cat emissions sensors, your never going to be able to get the check engine light to turn off, which kind of limits your ability to resell the car. Ted |
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Yes but I'm not a shop. And on later vehicles I'd get new firmware or
go to an aftermarket programmable ECU... or you build an analog sim to put the postcat sensor input in acceptable parms. It's a voltage or resistance, use a pot or build a little adjustable power supply (also, basically, a pot.) I stay away from electronic vehicles for the most part. |
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Yes but I'm not a shop. And on later vehicles I'd get new firmware or
go to an aftermarket programmable ECU... or you build an analog sim to put the postcat sensor input in acceptable parms. It's a voltage or resistance, use a pot or build a little adjustable power supply (also, basically, a pot.) I stay away from electronic vehicles for the most part. |
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so we should have these removable and only install them in traffic jams??
"Ted Azito" > wrote in message om... > "maxpower" > wrote in message >... > > Thats great!!! Im sure your kids will appreciate that in the yrs to > > come..Dont forget , we didnt inherit this earth from our ansestors. we are > > borrowing it from our kids > > Auto emissions are only long term in terms of carbon dioxide. Carbon > monoxide, and hydrocarbons are reduced to CO2 in a few hours in the > atmosphere. Oxides of nitrogen may be a little more durable but not > much. Cat converters are a cancer on the ass of America and produce > only short term improvements, relevant only in cities like LA and > Denver. Where I live emmissions control does nothing for average air > quality except in a really bad traffic jam. > > And I'm not worried about the federales whatsoever. The State guys > could cause trouble but they have to prove I was the one who did it. > Even so all they can do is make me fix it. |
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so we should have these removable and only install them in traffic jams??
"Ted Azito" > wrote in message om... > "maxpower" > wrote in message >... > > Thats great!!! Im sure your kids will appreciate that in the yrs to > > come..Dont forget , we didnt inherit this earth from our ansestors. we are > > borrowing it from our kids > > Auto emissions are only long term in terms of carbon dioxide. Carbon > monoxide, and hydrocarbons are reduced to CO2 in a few hours in the > atmosphere. Oxides of nitrogen may be a little more durable but not > much. Cat converters are a cancer on the ass of America and produce > only short term improvements, relevant only in cities like LA and > Denver. Where I live emmissions control does nothing for average air > quality except in a really bad traffic jam. > > And I'm not worried about the federales whatsoever. The State guys > could cause trouble but they have to prove I was the one who did it. > Even so all they can do is make me fix it. |
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That was a realistic conversation??
"Greg G" > wrote in message .. . > Nothing like a liberal treehugger to spoil a realistic Technical > Conversation. > > maxpower wrote: > > Thats great!!! Im sure your kids will appreciate that in the yrs to > > come..Dont forget , we didnt inherit this earth from our ansestors. we are > > borrowing it from our kids > > Glenn Beasley > > Chrysler Tech > |
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That was a realistic conversation??
"Greg G" > wrote in message .. . > Nothing like a liberal treehugger to spoil a realistic Technical > Conversation. > > maxpower wrote: > > Thats great!!! Im sure your kids will appreciate that in the yrs to > > come..Dont forget , we didnt inherit this earth from our ansestors. we are > > borrowing it from our kids > > Glenn Beasley > > Chrysler Tech > |
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On Mon, 17 Oct 2004, Ted Azito wrote:
> Cat converters are a cancer on the ass of America How so? What do they do/cause/prevent that you object to? > and produce only short term improvements, relevant only in cities like > LA and Denver. If that's the case, how come they've been adopted as the heart of emission control systems worldwide? |
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On Mon, 17 Oct 2004, Ted Azito wrote:
> Cat converters are a cancer on the ass of America How so? What do they do/cause/prevent that you object to? > and produce only short term improvements, relevant only in cities like > LA and Denver. If that's the case, how come they've been adopted as the heart of emission control systems worldwide? |
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