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  #91  
Old February 18th 05, 12:13 PM
Asgeir Nesoen
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John Wallace wrote:
<snipped my own stuff>
>
>
> Sorry for the huge quote, but wanted to say "amen!" to that. The record
> companies sit between the producer and the consumer, and are desperateto
> milk that position for as long as possible. The first price reduction of
> music CDs comes TWENTY YEARS after they were released onto the market,
> and in response to fears over MP3s and P2P.


The gaming industry is adapting the same approach, they want to base
their purchase numbers on their own PR campaigns and artificially
created hypes instead of giving people the quality and content they
actually want. And we all know it won't work, partially because people
still have their free will (not to buy any particular game), partially
because quite a few people consider it worthwhile to lay down a
considerable amount of work on free, open-source projects which threaten
the quality of the games of the professional business.

>
> It's funny to read about the fears over China's respect, or lack
> thereof, for the IP of companies, but watch the reaction of those same
> companies when you try to put increased rights for their workers.
> "Nothing should be put as an artificial barrier to a free market" etc. I
> (almost) can't blame them for their protectionist approach, but I do
> blame our politicians for being bought by them, and us for voting for
> the morons.


The western societies have never really understood the capitalistic
paradigma; The companies do *want* monopoly, or any advantage (fair or
unfair) they can get over their competitors. The consumers want the
opposite, no monopoly, free trade, free competition under even and fair
conditions so that they can get the quality they want to the price they
want.

A person working in a factory wants monopoly when he is at work (since
his job is dependant on the market), and the opposite when he finishes
work every day and takes on the cap called "consumer". This dualism is
really what threaten our societies of freedom and democracy, not how
others feel about the way we think. These two forces are opposite, and
what happens when you have two opposite forces? You go nowhere!

> Sorry, getting WAAAAY OT :-)


Yeah, I know, I have the same problem. Hehe.

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  #92  
Old February 18th 05, 05:25 PM
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Steve Simpson wrote:
I really can't
> understand why RIAA, ARIA etc have such influence on governments - it's
> not like the DMCA is going to be a vote catcher.



Thats an easy one Steve. Money. Plain and simple.

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  #93  
Old February 23rd 05, 11:20 PM
John Wallace
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Steve Simpson wrote:

> You actually make a pretty good point here. I'm from Australia where we
> have never had any 'fair use' laws. All duplication of copyright material
> has always been illegal here. I guess if I had previously been allowed to
> make working backups and this right was taken away from me I might be
> slightly miffed.
>
> That said, if I were a game developer, I'd demand that my products carried
> Starforce as it causes maximum possible annoyance to pirates with minimum
> possible annoyance to legit customers.


Each to his own - in my experience it makes no difference at all to
pirates (it could be seen unprotected in the dubious sections of the
internet months before release), and causes some annoyance to legit
customers.

However my main issue is more the presumption that I have wooden leg,
parrot and eyepatch, therefore walloping unwanted software onto my PC
with gay abandon. Not happy about that!

Still, at least they'll sell a copy to you, making up for the one they
won't sell to me :-)
  #94  
Old February 23rd 05, 11:22 PM
John Wallace
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Steve Simpson wrote:

> Simbin are basically members of this community who showed real talent in sim
> modding and decided to make something of it. They chose a small and
> relatively new publisher to publish their work. To have a swipe at Simbin
> is to have a swipe at any of the members of this community who want to earn
> a living somehow.


Simbin benefitted greatly from members of the community, and their
success was spawned from, and supported by, that community.

In any case, I was swiping at their distributor - I doubt Simbin would
insist on Starforce.
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Old February 23rd 05, 11:26 PM
John Wallace
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Steve Simpson wrote:

> I've read that the reason they're pushing for it is because we're going to
> be getting a DMCA - basically the same as the USA. I really can't
> understand why RIAA, ARIA etc have such influence on governments - it's not
> like the DMCA is going to be a vote catcher.


There's essentially no choice - content wants to be free. Consumers want
hardware that communicates, and does so easily. Consumers wil buy
hardware for this functionality, and for the content.

When you have high capacity devices, communicating easily, it's not a
case of if the business model of media distribution companies will fall
apart, it's only about when it will be complete.

China makes the hardware, China gives no crap about protection (look at
DVD region coding disappear once the Chinese companies realised people
would pay for machines that ignored it).
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Old February 24th 05, 04:06 AM
Dave Henrie
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John Wallace > wrote in
:

> Simbin benefitted greatly from members of the community, and their
> success was spawned from, and supported by, that community.
>
> In any case, I was swiping at their distributor - I doubt Simbin would
> insist on Starforce.
>


I marvel and applaud Simbin's efforts...but knowing just a little about
their leader, makes me wonder.

I am a well known crybaby about copy protection, but I'm willing to bend
some here when it concerns folks who were just like us...

dh
  #97  
Old February 25th 05, 04:19 AM
Byron Forbes
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"John Wallace" > wrote in message
...
> Steve Simpson wrote:
>
>> You actually make a pretty good point here. I'm from Australia where we
>> have never had any 'fair use' laws. All duplication of copyright
>> material has always been illegal here. I guess if I had previously been
>> allowed to make working backups and this right was taken away from me I
>> might be slightly miffed.
>>
>> That said, if I were a game developer, I'd demand that my products
>> carried Starforce as it causes maximum possible annoyance to pirates with
>> minimum possible annoyance to legit customers.

>
> Each to his own - in my experience it makes no difference at all to
> pirates (it could be seen unprotected in the dubious sections of the
> internet months before release), and causes some annoyance to legit
> customers.
>
> However my main issue is more the presumption that I have wooden leg,
> parrot and eyepatch, therefore walloping unwanted software onto my PC with
> gay abandon. Not happy about that!
>


How can you have copy protection without presumtion of guilt? That's
like saying you resent the next door neighbours locking their house because
it implies YOU might steal from them otherwise - they are simply trying to
lock EVERYONE out!


  #98  
Old March 4th 05, 05:45 PM
John Wallace
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Byron Forbes wrote:
> "John Wallace" > wrote in message
> ...


>>However my main issue is more the presumption that I have wooden leg,
>>parrot and eyepatch, therefore walloping unwanted software onto my PC with
>>gay abandon. Not happy about that!

>
> How can you have copy protection without presumtion of guilt? That's
> like saying you resent the next door neighbours locking their house because
> it implies YOU might steal from them otherwise - they are simply trying to
> lock EVERYONE out!


The presumption of guilt is exactly my point, allied to the fact the
impact is felt predominantly by those innocent of piracy "thoughtcrime".

In the case of the neighbour's house, your analogy would need to include
that the vast majority of burglars already had a key, and the act of
locking the door would be no impediment to them at all (i.e. the act of
locking the door would almost exclusively impact those who had no
intention to steal.

So if not a straw man, then it's just an inappropriate analogy.

John
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Old March 5th 05, 05:19 AM
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Ruud Dingemans > wrote:

>Referring to Mehdi Ali, a name that will (and should) forever live on in
>infamy.


Can you plese share the story please? I loved the Amiga, but never
heard about this.

Joe62
  #100  
Old March 5th 05, 10:42 AM
Uwe Schürkamp
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On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 04:19:22 GMT, Joe62 wrote:
> Ruud Dingemans > wrote:
>
>>Referring to Mehdi Ali, a name that will (and should) forever live on in
>>infamy.

>
> Can you plese share the story please? I loved the Amiga, but never
> heard about this.
>
> Joe62


Grab a copy of Dave Haynie's excellent "the deathbed vigil"
documentary of the last days of Commodore in West Chester, PA. It's
available he

http://www.frogpondmedia.com/

Cheers,

Uwe

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