Europe Loves The Mustang

On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 01:32:06 -0400, ZombyWoof >
wrote:

>Anyhow if you wait around long enough the Japanese will rip-off any
>innovation you can come up with anyway, improve it and sell it
>cheaper.

It's what they've done with any junk that the americans have ever come
up with, that's for sure.

"Sarah Czepiel" > wrote in message
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> On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 21:31:43 -0500, "Joel Jacobs" >
> wrote:
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>>"Sarah Czepiel" > wrote in message
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>>> On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 17:00:43 -0500, "Joel Jacobs" >
>>> wrote:
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>>>>"Sarah Czepiel" > wrote in message
m...
>>>>> On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 17:00:40 GMT, the guvnor
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 12:46:29 -0400, Sarah Czepiel >
>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>See China's domination of world trade.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Since the end of the Cold War, the United States has
>>>>>>>>>been the world's only superpower.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>The unique position of the United States (at least in terms of
>>>>>>>>>military force)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>See America not even being able to win the Vietnam war.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Let me know when you have any hard facts to support your contention
>>>>>>>that China is a hyperpower.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Within 20 years, the Chinese economy will probably be larger than
>>>>>>that of the United States. Already China's geopolitical influence has
>>>>>>grown along with its economic might."
>>>>>
>>>>> " Within 20 years....". I didn't ask for an opinion piece I asked
>>>>> for facts to support your contention that China is a Hyperpower.
>>>>>
>>>>>>"Moreover, the Chinese central bank is financing the massive US trade
>>>>>>deficit by $1 billion a day. Without those loans, US interest rates
>>>>>>would spike upward. Interest rates on mortgages would rise, hitting
>>>>>>housing sales, and raising costs for millions of homeowners."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>""This is a huge deal," says Clyde Prestowitz, president of the
>>>>>>Economic Strategy Institute in Washington. "We are on life-support
>>>>>>from China's central bank.""
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"The US will have to adjust to deal with another major power," says
>>>>>>Mr. Prestowitz. "So far we are in a kind of denial."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Last Friday, China and the European Union reached a friendly
>>>>>>agreement curtailing certain Chinese textile exports. Chinese
>>>>>>negotiator Bo Xilai indicated China's preference for such a negotiated
>>>>>>deal, rather than the US unilateral caps on China's textile exports.
>>>>>>He reportedly cited a Chinese saying: "If you respect me by an inch,
>>>>>>I'll respect you by a foot.""
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0616/p16s01-cogn.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Lets say.....oh...tomorrow, the United States decides to blockade all
>>>>> ships arriving and leaving China and the middle east except those
>>>>> outbound caring goods or oil to the United States.
>>>>>
>>>>> What are you euro's or China going to do to stop us?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Do NOT underestimate China's military, nor their resolve.
>>>>
>>>>Joel Jacobs
>>>>Chief Petty Officer
>>>>USNavy, Retired
>>>
>>> Well Chief you tell me how the Chinese have any force projection of
>>> power outside of a land war in Asia. At the height of their power,
>>> the fUSSR didn't want to take on the United States in a strategic
>>> military battle. What makes you think the Chinese can do it with a
>>> fraction of the power?
>>
>>Better do a wee bit more research before you shoot your fingers off on the
>>keyboard.
>>
>>Do an online search, nothing fancy, just check out the ICBM status, nuke
>>warhead status, submarines, surface navy, and airplanes..... there's other
>>stuff, but that'll do.
>
> I don't have to use google, Chief. China has NO Submarine status at
> all. They have ONE submarine missile boat called the Xia. This
> submarine has never been more than a harbor queen. In it's entire
> existence it has deployed ONCE to test fire a submarine launch
> missile. The rest of it's existence its sat in it's home port at
> Jianggezhuang. They have 18 ICBM's with questionable capability of
> reaching the US considering their long history of design flight
> failures. Their surface navy is a joke. Nothing better than a
> destroyer sized force with cruise missiles. Two years ago they sent
> their first surface ship on it's first around the world cruise.
> ONCE. Our attack submarines could wipe out their entire navy
> probably before they left Chinese territorial waters. They have
> little ASW capabilities to track our subs. Bombers and planes? None
> that can reach the US. The Chinese have no force projection outside
> of their territorial region. And China will never be a Hyperpower
> without a global force projection of power.
>
> To recap:
>
> 1. China has no credible ballistic submarines. The one they have is
> not operational.
> 2. China has 18 ICBM's with questionable capabilities.
> 3. China has a surface Navy with no aircraft carriers other than the
> one they bought from Russia and they've done nothing with it. They
> don't even have planes to go on the carrier. They have destroyers and
> frigates with old technology.
> 4. China has no strategic nuclear bomber force. NONE.
>
>
> You may be retired from the USN but you're an idiot. What were you a
> Yeoman or a Boatswain's Mate? You don't know anything about nuclear
> deterrent and it sounds like you really should stick to worrying about
> setting your Sea and Anchor detail and leaving the details of global
> strategic defense to the experts.


Well, no, I'm not an idiot, and I do know that China has about 90
submarines, more than 5,000 combat aircraft, an army of more than two
million, and they have also just committed an additional $10 billion toward
a updating the navy. Yes, it'll take a while, but fighting the Chinese is
not a slam dunk. After all the bombs are dropped and all the missiles shot
someone still has to go in and take possession with boots on the ground.

BTW, I was a staffie... CincPac, CincPacFlt, NATO South, ComFairMed, SubLant

I'm killfiling the whole mess....

On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 01:56:37 -0400, ZombyWoof >
wrote:

>>>Since the end of the Cold War, the United States has
>>>been the world's only superpower.
>>>
>>>The unique position of the United States (at least in terms of
>>>military force)
>>
>>See America not even being able to win the Vietnam war.
>>
>Nor were the French, but hells bells man it was a war that wasn't
>being fought to win.

The Communists fought to win and beat America.

On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 23:55:37 -0400, Sarah Czepiel >
wrote:


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>You may be retired from the USN but you're an idiot. What were you a
>Yeoman or a Boatswain's Mate? You don't know anything about nuclear
>deterrent and it sounds like you really should stick to worrying about
>setting your Sea and Anchor detail and leaving the details of global
>strategic defense to the experts.

Ugly Sarah, a stay at home *old* housewife pretending that she knows
more about the navy at than someone who was in it??

On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 01:46:36 -0400, ZombyWoof >
wrote:

>On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 20:29:45 -0400, G > wrote
>something wonderfully witty:
>
>>If Europe " loves the Mustang " it's because it's cheap.
>>
>Cheap is relative to others in the class. Right now the Europeans
>don't really have anything to compete against it at its price point
>even with tariffs & VAT. Plus it is American muscle admired and
>lusted for since the very first version back in `64.

Admired and lusted over for it's van style suspension?

Ever wondered why that despite being cheap and nasty, American cars
still don't sell?

On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 20:41:12 -0400, America the Beautiful
> wrote:

>
>
>the guvnor wrote:
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>> On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 08:20:17 -0400, ZombyWoof >
>> wrote:
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>>>>We Europeans run the world, note how you chubby Americans aspire to
>>>>all thinks European...
>>>>
>>>
>>>Most I know shun all things European.
>>
>>
>> Quality always costs more...
>
>How would you know?

Because I'm a quality European surrounded by quality things, innit.

On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 21:26:52 -0400, America the Beautiful
> wrote:

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>
>the guvnor wrote:
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>> On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 06:18:48 -0400, America the Beautiful
>> > wrote:
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>>>>>>The Russians have more oil, the Canadians more timber and China
>>>>>>dominated world manufacturing.
>>>>>
>>>>>Where does that leave Yurop, then..?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Running it all.
>>>
>>>You mean "Running AND all".
>>
>>
>> We Europeans run the world, note how you chubby Americans aspire to
>> all thinks European...
>
>I never got the memo.

We sent it to your masters in Israel.

On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 01:40:03 -0400, ZombyWoof >
wrote:

>>>> So why then are the Chinese the worlds leading buyer of steel and
>>>> scrap metal?
>>>
>>>Because they have 1 billion people to house?
>>
>>And so many factories making so much...
>>
>Actually that isn't it.

Is so, you've not noticed that all your belonings have "Made in PRC"
on them?

On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 01:41:45 -0400, ZombyWoof >
wrote:

>>Against the euro, the U.S. currency fell 1.4 percent to $1.2286 at 5
>>p.m. yesterday in New York,
>>
>>http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...00&refer=japan
>>
>Currencies usually bounce all over the place based on all sorts of
>reasons both domestic & foreign.

So why has yours stopped bouncing, and started free falling?