Lightweight 4x4, flip down windshield

This from the manual for my 99 TJ., p. 89, 2nd column.

[quote]
"The fold down windshield and removeable side bars on your jeep vehicle are
structural elements that can provide some protection in some accidents. "

"Do not drive your Jeep vehicle on-pavement with the windshield down and the
side bars removed as you lose the protection these structural elements can
provide."

"If required for certain off-pavement uses, the side bars can be removed and
the windshield folded down. However, the protection afforded by these
features is then lost. If you remove the side bars and fold down the
windshield, drive slowly and cautiously. Jeep engineers recommend that the
speed of the vehicle be limited to 10 mph (16 Km/h), with the low range
preferred, if you are driving off-pavement with the windshield folded down."
[end of quote]

Read and interpret how you want, but I wouldn't drive over 10 mph with the
windsheld down and the "structural elements" removed.

I don't know about the cj's. My guess is that these instructions would
apply to the TJ model for sure.

Larry

> wrote in message news:C9khc.191875$Ig.10871@pd7tw2no...
> No, I don't think there is a structural thing about the windshild
> being up or down, not
> 100% sure what you call a "wrangler" but CJ5's and CJ7's don't have
> anything attached to the windshield that could be called structural. It's
> more of a over 10 mpg you need
> goggles
>
> ~Brian
>
>
> in rec.autos.4x4,
> "Larry Greenwood" > wrote:
> >Not sure if this would make a difference but according to the manual, the
> >wrangler with the window down shouldn't be driven over 10 mph. Its a
> >structural thing.
> >
> >Larry
> >
> >
> >"Jack Daynes" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> I'm in the market for a used 4x4. I'm looking to tow behind
> >> an RV. I know Wranglers and older Land Cruisers have the
> >> flip down windshields. Are there any others I should think
> >> about.
> >>
> >> The reason I want the flip down windshield is for nature
> >> photography. That aspect of the vehicle is NOT negotiable.
> >>
> >> I'd appreciate opinions,
> >> T.I.A.
> >> --
> >> -- Jack --
> >> =================================
> >> Everything you see is temporary.
> >> =================================
> >> Clean Up Return Address To Reply
> >> =================================
> >> Poway, California (San Diego Co.)
> >> =================================
> >>
> >
> >

"Larry Greenwood" > wrote in message
...
> This from the manual for my 99 TJ., p. 89, 2nd column.
>
> [quote]
> "The fold down windshield and removeable side bars on your jeep vehicle
are
> structural elements that can provide some protection in some accidents. "
>
> "Do not drive your Jeep vehicle on-pavement with the windshield down and
the
> side bars removed as you lose the protection these structural elements can
> provide."
>
> "If required for certain off-pavement uses, the side bars can be removed
and
> the windshield folded down. However, the protection afforded by these
> features is then lost. If you remove the side bars and fold down the
> windshield, drive slowly and cautiously. Jeep engineers recommend that
the
> speed of the vehicle be limited to 10 mph (16 Km/h), with the low range
> preferred, if you are driving off-pavement with the windshield folded
down."
> [end of quote]
>
> Read and interpret how you want, but I wouldn't drive over 10 mph with the
> windsheld down and the "structural elements" removed.
>
> I don't know about the cj's. My guess is that these instructions would
> apply to the TJ model for sure.
>
> Larry

All that means is you might get hit by something the windshield would have
deflected, and they don't want to get sued by some idiot who gets a bug in
his teeth.

>
> > wrote in message news:C9khc.191875$Ig.10871@pd7tw2no...
> > No, I don't think there is a structural thing about the windshild
> > being up or down, not
> > 100% sure what you call a "wrangler" but CJ5's and CJ7's don't have
> > anything attached to the windshield that could be called structural.
It's
> > more of a over 10 mpg you need
> > goggles
> >
> > ~Brian
> >
> >
> > in rec.autos.4x4,
> > "Larry Greenwood" > wrote:
> > >Not sure if this would make a difference but according to the manual,
the
> > >wrangler with the window down shouldn't be driven over 10 mph. Its a
> > >structural thing.
> > >
> > >Larry
> > >
> > >
> > >"Jack Daynes" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >> I'm in the market for a used 4x4. I'm looking to tow behind
> > >> an RV. I know Wranglers and older Land Cruisers have the
> > >> flip down windshields. Are there any others I should think
> > >> about.
> > >>
> > >> The reason I want the flip down windshield is for nature
> > >> photography. That aspect of the vehicle is NOT negotiable.
> > >>
> > >> I'd appreciate opinions,
> > >> T.I.A.
> > >> --
> > >> -- Jack --
> > >> =================================
> > >> Everything you see is temporary.
> > >> =================================
> > >> Clean Up Return Address To Reply
> > >> =================================
> > >> Poway, California (San Diego Co.)
> > >> =================================
> > >>
> > >
> > >
>
>

"Larry Greenwood" > wrote in message
...
> This from the manual for my 99 TJ., p. 89, 2nd column.
>
> [quote]
> "The fold down windshield and removeable side bars on your jeep vehicle
are
> structural elements that can provide some protection in some accidents. "
>
> "Do not drive your Jeep vehicle on-pavement with the windshield down and
the
> side bars removed as you lose the protection these structural elements can
> provide."
>
> "If required for certain off-pavement uses, the side bars can be removed
and
> the windshield folded down. However, the protection afforded by these
> features is then lost. If you remove the side bars and fold down the
> windshield, drive slowly and cautiously. Jeep engineers recommend that
the
> speed of the vehicle be limited to 10 mph (16 Km/h), with the low range
> preferred, if you are driving off-pavement with the windshield folded
down."
> [end of quote]
>
> Read and interpret how you want, but I wouldn't drive over 10 mph with the
> windsheld down and the "structural elements" removed.
>
> I don't know about the cj's. My guess is that these instructions would
> apply to the TJ model for sure.
>
> Larry

All that means is you might get hit by something the windshield would have
deflected, and they don't want to get sued by some idiot who gets a bug in
his teeth.

>
> > wrote in message news:C9khc.191875$Ig.10871@pd7tw2no...
> > No, I don't think there is a structural thing about the windshild
> > being up or down, not
> > 100% sure what you call a "wrangler" but CJ5's and CJ7's don't have
> > anything attached to the windshield that could be called structural.
It's
> > more of a over 10 mpg you need
> > goggles
> >
> > ~Brian
> >
> >
> > in rec.autos.4x4,
> > "Larry Greenwood" > wrote:
> > >Not sure if this would make a difference but according to the manual,
the
> > >wrangler with the window down shouldn't be driven over 10 mph. Its a
> > >structural thing.
> > >
> > >Larry
> > >
> > >
> > >"Jack Daynes" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >> I'm in the market for a used 4x4. I'm looking to tow behind
> > >> an RV. I know Wranglers and older Land Cruisers have the
> > >> flip down windshields. Are there any others I should think
> > >> about.
> > >>
> > >> The reason I want the flip down windshield is for nature
> > >> photography. That aspect of the vehicle is NOT negotiable.
> > >>
> > >> I'd appreciate opinions,
> > >> T.I.A.
> > >> --
> > >> -- Jack --
> > >> =================================
> > >> Everything you see is temporary.
> > >> =================================
> > >> Clean Up Return Address To Reply
> > >> =================================
> > >> Poway, California (San Diego Co.)
> > >> =================================
> > >>
> > >
> > >
>
>

all SJ have fold down wind shields
"The Ancient One" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Larry Greenwood" > wrote in message
> ...
> > This from the manual for my 99 TJ., p. 89, 2nd column.
> >
> > [quote]
> > "The fold down windshield and removeable side bars on your jeep vehicle
> are
> > structural elements that can provide some protection in some accidents.
"
> >
> > "Do not drive your Jeep vehicle on-pavement with the windshield down and
> the
> > side bars removed as you lose the protection these structural elements
can
> > provide."
> >
> > "If required for certain off-pavement uses, the side bars can be removed
> and
> > the windshield folded down. However, the protection afforded by these
> > features is then lost. If you remove the side bars and fold down the
> > windshield, drive slowly and cautiously. Jeep engineers recommend that
> the
> > speed of the vehicle be limited to 10 mph (16 Km/h), with the low range
> > preferred, if you are driving off-pavement with the windshield folded
> down."
> > [end of quote]
> >
> > Read and interpret how you want, but I wouldn't drive over 10 mph with
the
> > windsheld down and the "structural elements" removed.
> >
> > I don't know about the cj's. My guess is that these instructions would
> > apply to the TJ model for sure.
> >
> > Larry
>
> All that means is you might get hit by something the windshield would have
> deflected, and they don't want to get sued by some idiot who gets a bug in
> his teeth.
>
> >
> > > wrote in message news:C9khc.191875$Ig.10871@pd7tw2no...
> > > No, I don't think there is a structural thing about the windshild
> > > being up or down, not
> > > 100% sure what you call a "wrangler" but CJ5's and CJ7's don't have
> > > anything attached to the windshield that could be called structural.
> It's
> > > more of a over 10 mpg you need
> > > goggles
> > >
> > > ~Brian
> > >
> > >
> > > in rec.autos.4x4,
> > > "Larry Greenwood" > wrote:
> > > >Not sure if this would make a difference but according to the manual,
> the
> > > >wrangler with the window down shouldn't be driven over 10 mph. Its
a
> > > >structural thing.
> > > >
> > > >Larry
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >"Jack Daynes" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > >> I'm in the market for a used 4x4. I'm looking to tow behind
> > > >> an RV. I know Wranglers and older Land Cruisers have the
> > > >> flip down windshields. Are there any others I should think
> > > >> about.
> > > >>
> > > >> The reason I want the flip down windshield is for nature
> > > >> photography. That aspect of the vehicle is NOT negotiable.
> > > >>
> > > >> I'd appreciate opinions,
> > > >> T.I.A.
> > > >> --
> > > >> -- Jack --
> > > >> =================================
> > > >> Everything you see is temporary.
> > > >> =================================
> > > >> Clean Up Return Address To Reply
> > > >> =================================
> > > >> Poway, California (San Diego Co.)
> > > >> =================================
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
>
>

all SJ have fold down wind shields
"The Ancient One" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Larry Greenwood" > wrote in message
> ...
> > This from the manual for my 99 TJ., p. 89, 2nd column.
> >
> > [quote]
> > "The fold down windshield and removeable side bars on your jeep vehicle
> are
> > structural elements that can provide some protection in some accidents.
"
> >
> > "Do not drive your Jeep vehicle on-pavement with the windshield down and
> the
> > side bars removed as you lose the protection these structural elements
can
> > provide."
> >
> > "If required for certain off-pavement uses, the side bars can be removed
> and
> > the windshield folded down. However, the protection afforded by these
> > features is then lost. If you remove the side bars and fold down the
> > windshield, drive slowly and cautiously. Jeep engineers recommend that
> the
> > speed of the vehicle be limited to 10 mph (16 Km/h), with the low range
> > preferred, if you are driving off-pavement with the windshield folded
> down."
> > [end of quote]
> >
> > Read and interpret how you want, but I wouldn't drive over 10 mph with
the
> > windsheld down and the "structural elements" removed.
> >
> > I don't know about the cj's. My guess is that these instructions would
> > apply to the TJ model for sure.
> >
> > Larry
>
> All that means is you might get hit by something the windshield would have
> deflected, and they don't want to get sued by some idiot who gets a bug in
> his teeth.
>
> >
> > > wrote in message news:C9khc.191875$Ig.10871@pd7tw2no...
> > > No, I don't think there is a structural thing about the windshild
> > > being up or down, not
> > > 100% sure what you call a "wrangler" but CJ5's and CJ7's don't have
> > > anything attached to the windshield that could be called structural.
> It's
> > > more of a over 10 mpg you need
> > > goggles
> > >
> > > ~Brian
> > >
> > >
> > > in rec.autos.4x4,
> > > "Larry Greenwood" > wrote:
> > > >Not sure if this would make a difference but according to the manual,
> the
> > > >wrangler with the window down shouldn't be driven over 10 mph. Its
a
> > > >structural thing.
> > > >
> > > >Larry
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >"Jack Daynes" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > >> I'm in the market for a used 4x4. I'm looking to tow behind
> > > >> an RV. I know Wranglers and older Land Cruisers have the
> > > >> flip down windshields. Are there any others I should think
> > > >> about.
> > > >>
> > > >> The reason I want the flip down windshield is for nature
> > > >> photography. That aspect of the vehicle is NOT negotiable.
> > > >>
> > > >> I'd appreciate opinions,
> > > >> T.I.A.
> > > >> --
> > > >> -- Jack --
> > > >> =================================
> > > >> Everything you see is temporary.
> > > >> =================================
> > > >> Clean Up Return Address To Reply
> > > >> =================================
> > > >> Poway, California (San Diego Co.)
> > > >> =================================
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
>
>

>No, I don't think there is a structural thing about the windshild
>being up or down, not
>100% sure what you call a "wrangler" but CJ5's and CJ7's don't have
>anything attached to the windshield that could be called structural. It's
>more of a over 10 mpg you need
>goggles
>
>~Brian

a Wrangler is a Jeep TJ, the newer models than the CJ's



Shepherds we shall be for thee my lord for thee Power hath decended forth from
thy hand so our feet may swiftly carry out thy command We shall flow a river
forth to thee and teeming with souls shall it ever be In nomine Patris et Filii
et Spiritus Sancti

>No, I don't think there is a structural thing about the windshild
>being up or down, not
>100% sure what you call a "wrangler" but CJ5's and CJ7's don't have
>anything attached to the windshield that could be called structural. It's
>more of a over 10 mpg you need
>goggles
>
>~Brian

a Wrangler is a Jeep TJ, the newer models than the CJ's



Shepherds we shall be for thee my lord for thee Power hath decended forth from
thy hand so our feet may swiftly carry out thy command We shall flow a river
forth to thee and teeming with souls shall it ever be In nomine Patris et Filii
et Spiritus Sancti

Don't mean to be argumentative, but again that is your interpretation of
what you think the manual says, just as mine is.

One thing is for sure, Jeep is making it pretty clear that both the
windsheld and the side bars work together in adding a structural component
to the vehicle, at least on a TJ.

Of course, anyone can choose to ignore the message.

Larry


"The Ancient One" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Larry Greenwood" > wrote in message
> ...
> > This from the manual for my 99 TJ., p. 89, 2nd column.
> >
> > [quote]
> > "The fold down windshield and removeable side bars on your jeep vehicle
> are
> > structural elements that can provide some protection in some accidents.
"
> >
> > "Do not drive your Jeep vehicle on-pavement with the windshield down and
> the
> > side bars removed as you lose the protection these structural elements
can
> > provide."
> >
> > "If required for certain off-pavement uses, the side bars can be removed
> and
> > the windshield folded down. However, the protection afforded by these
> > features is then lost. If you remove the side bars and fold down the
> > windshield, drive slowly and cautiously. Jeep engineers recommend that
> the
> > speed of the vehicle be limited to 10 mph (16 Km/h), with the low range
> > preferred, if you are driving off-pavement with the windshield folded
> down."
> > [end of quote]
> >
> > Read and interpret how you want, but I wouldn't drive over 10 mph with
the
> > windsheld down and the "structural elements" removed.
> >
> > I don't know about the cj's. My guess is that these instructions would
> > apply to the TJ model for sure.
> >
> > Larry
>
> All that means is you might get hit by something the windshield would have
> deflected, and they don't want to get sued by some idiot who gets a bug in
> his teeth.
>
> >
> > > wrote in message news:C9khc.191875$Ig.10871@pd7tw2no...
> > > No, I don't think there is a structural thing about the windshild
> > > being up or down, not
> > > 100% sure what you call a "wrangler" but CJ5's and CJ7's don't have
> > > anything attached to the windshield that could be called structural.
> It's
> > > more of a over 10 mpg you need
> > > goggles
> > >
> > > ~Brian
> > >
> > >
> > > in rec.autos.4x4,
> > > "Larry Greenwood" > wrote:
> > > >Not sure if this would make a difference but according to the manual,
> the
> > > >wrangler with the window down shouldn't be driven over 10 mph. Its
a
> > > >structural thing.
> > > >
> > > >Larry
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >"Jack Daynes" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > >> I'm in the market for a used 4x4. I'm looking to tow behind
> > > >> an RV. I know Wranglers and older Land Cruisers have the
> > > >> flip down windshields. Are there any others I should think
> > > >> about.
> > > >>
> > > >> The reason I want the flip down windshield is for nature
> > > >> photography. That aspect of the vehicle is NOT negotiable.
> > > >>
> > > >> I'd appreciate opinions,
> > > >> T.I.A.
> > > >> --
> > > >> -- Jack --
> > > >> =================================
> > > >> Everything you see is temporary.
> > > >> =================================
> > > >> Clean Up Return Address To Reply
> > > >> =================================
> > > >> Poway, California (San Diego Co.)
> > > >> =================================
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
>
>

Don't mean to be argumentative, but again that is your interpretation of
what you think the manual says, just as mine is.

One thing is for sure, Jeep is making it pretty clear that both the
windsheld and the side bars work together in adding a structural component
to the vehicle, at least on a TJ.

Of course, anyone can choose to ignore the message.

Larry


"The Ancient One" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Larry Greenwood" > wrote in message
> ...
> > This from the manual for my 99 TJ., p. 89, 2nd column.
> >
> > [quote]
> > "The fold down windshield and removeable side bars on your jeep vehicle
> are
> > structural elements that can provide some protection in some accidents.
"
> >
> > "Do not drive your Jeep vehicle on-pavement with the windshield down and
> the
> > side bars removed as you lose the protection these structural elements
can
> > provide."
> >
> > "If required for certain off-pavement uses, the side bars can be removed
> and
> > the windshield folded down. However, the protection afforded by these
> > features is then lost. If you remove the side bars and fold down the
> > windshield, drive slowly and cautiously. Jeep engineers recommend that
> the
> > speed of the vehicle be limited to 10 mph (16 Km/h), with the low range
> > preferred, if you are driving off-pavement with the windshield folded
> down."
> > [end of quote]
> >
> > Read and interpret how you want, but I wouldn't drive over 10 mph with
the
> > windsheld down and the "structural elements" removed.
> >
> > I don't know about the cj's. My guess is that these instructions would
> > apply to the TJ model for sure.
> >
> > Larry
>
> All that means is you might get hit by something the windshield would have
> deflected, and they don't want to get sued by some idiot who gets a bug in
> his teeth.
>
> >
> > > wrote in message news:C9khc.191875$Ig.10871@pd7tw2no...
> > > No, I don't think there is a structural thing about the windshild
> > > being up or down, not
> > > 100% sure what you call a "wrangler" but CJ5's and CJ7's don't have
> > > anything attached to the windshield that could be called structural.
> It's
> > > more of a over 10 mpg you need
> > > goggles
> > >
> > > ~Brian
> > >
> > >
> > > in rec.autos.4x4,
> > > "Larry Greenwood" > wrote:
> > > >Not sure if this would make a difference but according to the manual,
> the
> > > >wrangler with the window down shouldn't be driven over 10 mph. Its
a
> > > >structural thing.
> > > >
> > > >Larry
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >"Jack Daynes" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > >> I'm in the market for a used 4x4. I'm looking to tow behind
> > > >> an RV. I know Wranglers and older Land Cruisers have the
> > > >> flip down windshields. Are there any others I should think
> > > >> about.
> > > >>
> > > >> The reason I want the flip down windshield is for nature
> > > >> photography. That aspect of the vehicle is NOT negotiable.
> > > >>
> > > >> I'd appreciate opinions,
> > > >> T.I.A.
> > > >> --
> > > >> -- Jack --
> > > >> =================================
> > > >> Everything you see is temporary.
> > > >> =================================
> > > >> Clean Up Return Address To Reply
> > > >> =================================
> > > >> Poway, California (San Diego Co.)
> > > >> =================================
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
>
>

"Larry Greenwood" > wrote in message
...
> Don't mean to be argumentative, but again that is your interpretation of
> what you think the manual says, just as mine is.
>
> One thing is for sure, Jeep is making it pretty clear that both the
> windsheld and the side bars work together in adding a structural component
> to the vehicle, at least on a TJ.
>
> Of course, anyone can choose to ignore the message.
>
> Larry

No arguement intended or taken. ;-)