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Daniel J. Stern wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Nov 2004, linda wrote: > > >>Bill Putney wrote: > > >>>>The American Psychological Association issued a warning on August 14, >>>>1997, against the "psychological terrorism" of the Ex-Gay "reparative >>>>therapy" movement, which the APA said reveals an "intense bias against >>>>gay people." > > >>>Is that the same APA that published a "scientific" study that said that >>>it was found that pediphilia did not harm children who experienced it >>>Bill Putney > > >>Honestly, i did not know that. > > > You still don't. You have Bill's assertion that it happened; let's see if > he can back up his claim by producing the study. > this backs up Ted's theory that i believe all that i read... sorry.... > >>i really don't think linking the two together is fair or honest, or >>objective. > > > Of course it's not, but Bill's belief on the subject is that there is only > one real kind of human sexuality (heterosexual) and anything else is > simply a behavioral choice or a mental disorder or an otherwise "broken" > heterosexual. > BILL!!!! WAKE UP!!!SMELL THE COFFEE!!!!!!! > >>I just stand by my belief (regardless of the scientific evidence for and >>against) that there are things we cannot choose, cannot change. > > > "Can they change?" is one question. "If they can change, should they?" is > another. If they can change and don't want to, then whose business is it anyway? not mine.. > > >>i wish i could go back to my blond hair, instead of gray. i wish i >>wouldn't grow older, but i am.. i wish i could lift 100lbs again, but i >>can't. i wish i could change a lot of things, but by nature, genes, >>biology, environment, i can't. > > > Yeah, well, you know. Big noses, small noses. Red hair, black hair, brown > hair, blond hair, straight hair, curly hair. China-white skin, > chocolate-brown skin, and every shade in between. Big, small, round and > slanted eyes of blue, hazel, brown, black. Heights from 4 feet to 7 feet. > Weights from "will blow away in a stiff breeze" to 400 pounds. Shoe sizes > from 4A to 14EEE. Breast sizes from "flat" to "Dolly Parton". Varying > talent in math, language, music, science, athletics, art. Fondness for > edible-pod peas, hatred of brussels sprouts. All of these variations in > humanity, and thousands more, are perfectly OK because "we are all made in > God's image". > > Sexuality? Nope. No variance. One kind only. I am glad there is a variance, i would still be stuck staring at the ceiling wishing that the heavy sob would hurry up and get off...:-) > > Does that make sense to you? Not to me. No, Daniel, it does not make sense to me, and i am sorry that i am trying very hard to defend my beliefs very badly! at yours and others expense.. and like i said before i have an argument gene (not yet found to be scientific proof)... tell me to shut up, Daniel and i will.. all others, this is not an option to you!! linda |
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Daniel J. Stern wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Nov 2004, linda wrote: > > >>Bill Putney wrote: > > >>>>The American Psychological Association issued a warning on August 14, >>>>1997, against the "psychological terrorism" of the Ex-Gay "reparative >>>>therapy" movement, which the APA said reveals an "intense bias against >>>>gay people." > > >>>Is that the same APA that published a "scientific" study that said that >>>it was found that pediphilia did not harm children who experienced it >>>Bill Putney > > >>Honestly, i did not know that. > > > You still don't. You have Bill's assertion that it happened; let's see if > he can back up his claim by producing the study. > this backs up Ted's theory that i believe all that i read... sorry.... > >>i really don't think linking the two together is fair or honest, or >>objective. > > > Of course it's not, but Bill's belief on the subject is that there is only > one real kind of human sexuality (heterosexual) and anything else is > simply a behavioral choice or a mental disorder or an otherwise "broken" > heterosexual. > BILL!!!! WAKE UP!!!SMELL THE COFFEE!!!!!!! > >>I just stand by my belief (regardless of the scientific evidence for and >>against) that there are things we cannot choose, cannot change. > > > "Can they change?" is one question. "If they can change, should they?" is > another. If they can change and don't want to, then whose business is it anyway? not mine.. > > >>i wish i could go back to my blond hair, instead of gray. i wish i >>wouldn't grow older, but i am.. i wish i could lift 100lbs again, but i >>can't. i wish i could change a lot of things, but by nature, genes, >>biology, environment, i can't. > > > Yeah, well, you know. Big noses, small noses. Red hair, black hair, brown > hair, blond hair, straight hair, curly hair. China-white skin, > chocolate-brown skin, and every shade in between. Big, small, round and > slanted eyes of blue, hazel, brown, black. Heights from 4 feet to 7 feet. > Weights from "will blow away in a stiff breeze" to 400 pounds. Shoe sizes > from 4A to 14EEE. Breast sizes from "flat" to "Dolly Parton". Varying > talent in math, language, music, science, athletics, art. Fondness for > edible-pod peas, hatred of brussels sprouts. All of these variations in > humanity, and thousands more, are perfectly OK because "we are all made in > God's image". > > Sexuality? Nope. No variance. One kind only. I am glad there is a variance, i would still be stuck staring at the ceiling wishing that the heavy sob would hurry up and get off...:-) > > Does that make sense to you? Not to me. No, Daniel, it does not make sense to me, and i am sorry that i am trying very hard to defend my beliefs very badly! at yours and others expense.. and like i said before i have an argument gene (not yet found to be scientific proof)... tell me to shut up, Daniel and i will.. all others, this is not an option to you!! linda |
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On Tue, 16 Nov 2004, linda wrote:
> Bill, being a white female from the south, that argument won't fly with > me... i would have to disagree just based on my experience.. nothing > scientific... just my own personal experience... Gays are and have > always been productive members of society. to name a few: > > Leonardo da Vinci (artist, inventor) > Samuel Barber (composer) > Gian Carlo Menotti (composer) > Raymond Burr (actor, philanthropist) (NO!!!! Not Perry Mason!!!! i Try John Wayne (Yep, John Wayne) for shock value. > Pope Benedict IX - (1020 - 1055) Roman Catholic Pope > Pope John XII - (937 - 964) Roman Catholic Pope > Pope Julius III - (1487 - 1555) Roman Catholic Pope > Pope Leo X - (1475 - 1521) Roman Catholic Pope > Pope Paul II - (1417 - 1471) Roman Catholic Pope > Pope Sixtus IV - (1414 - 1484) Roman Catholic Pope These are interesting, got a cite? |
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On Tue, 16 Nov 2004, linda wrote:
> Bill, being a white female from the south, that argument won't fly with > me... i would have to disagree just based on my experience.. nothing > scientific... just my own personal experience... Gays are and have > always been productive members of society. to name a few: > > Leonardo da Vinci (artist, inventor) > Samuel Barber (composer) > Gian Carlo Menotti (composer) > Raymond Burr (actor, philanthropist) (NO!!!! Not Perry Mason!!!! i Try John Wayne (Yep, John Wayne) for shock value. > Pope Benedict IX - (1020 - 1055) Roman Catholic Pope > Pope John XII - (937 - 964) Roman Catholic Pope > Pope Julius III - (1487 - 1555) Roman Catholic Pope > Pope Leo X - (1475 - 1521) Roman Catholic Pope > Pope Paul II - (1417 - 1471) Roman Catholic Pope > Pope Sixtus IV - (1414 - 1484) Roman Catholic Pope These are interesting, got a cite? |
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Daniel J. Stern wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Nov 2004, linda wrote: > > >>Bill, being a white female from the south, that argument won't fly with >>me... i would have to disagree just based on my experience.. nothing >>scientific... just my own personal experience... Gays are and have >>always been productive members of society. to name a few: >> >>Leonardo da Vinci (artist, inventor) >>Samuel Barber (composer) >>Gian Carlo Menotti (composer) >>Raymond Burr (actor, philanthropist) (NO!!!! Not Perry Mason!!!! i > > > Try John Wayne (Yep, John Wayne) for shock value. i know, i keep telling people that and i almost get into fights!!!!! can you believe that THE DUKE was gay.. > > >>Pope Benedict IX - (1020 - 1055) Roman Catholic Pope >>Pope John XII - (937 - 964) Roman Catholic Pope >>Pope Julius III - (1487 - 1555) Roman Catholic Pope >>Pope Leo X - (1475 - 1521) Roman Catholic Pope >>Pope Paul II - (1417 - 1471) Roman Catholic Pope >>Pope Sixtus IV - (1414 - 1484) Roman Catholic Pope > > > These are interesting, got a cite? > i can find sites galore.. these are the first... oh yea, when i tell people that Tom Cruise is gay, i get shouted at "LIAR"!!!!!!!! http://www.youth.org/loco/PERSONProj...s/history.html http://www.gayheroes.com/main.htm http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/pwh/gayhistbib.html |
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Daniel J. Stern wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Nov 2004, linda wrote: > > >>Bill, being a white female from the south, that argument won't fly with >>me... i would have to disagree just based on my experience.. nothing >>scientific... just my own personal experience... Gays are and have >>always been productive members of society. to name a few: >> >>Leonardo da Vinci (artist, inventor) >>Samuel Barber (composer) >>Gian Carlo Menotti (composer) >>Raymond Burr (actor, philanthropist) (NO!!!! Not Perry Mason!!!! i > > > Try John Wayne (Yep, John Wayne) for shock value. i know, i keep telling people that and i almost get into fights!!!!! can you believe that THE DUKE was gay.. > > >>Pope Benedict IX - (1020 - 1055) Roman Catholic Pope >>Pope John XII - (937 - 964) Roman Catholic Pope >>Pope Julius III - (1487 - 1555) Roman Catholic Pope >>Pope Leo X - (1475 - 1521) Roman Catholic Pope >>Pope Paul II - (1417 - 1471) Roman Catholic Pope >>Pope Sixtus IV - (1414 - 1484) Roman Catholic Pope > > > These are interesting, got a cite? > i can find sites galore.. these are the first... oh yea, when i tell people that Tom Cruise is gay, i get shouted at "LIAR"!!!!!!!! http://www.youth.org/loco/PERSONProj...s/history.html http://www.gayheroes.com/main.htm http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/pwh/gayhistbib.html |
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Daniel J. Stern wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Nov 2004, linda wrote: > > >>Bill, being a white female from the south, that argument won't fly with >>me... i would have to disagree just based on my experience.. nothing >>scientific... just my own personal experience... Gays are and have >>always been productive members of society. to name a few: >> >>Leonardo da Vinci (artist, inventor) >>Samuel Barber (composer) >>Gian Carlo Menotti (composer) >>Raymond Burr (actor, philanthropist) (NO!!!! Not Perry Mason!!!! i > > > Try John Wayne (Yep, John Wayne) for shock value. > > >>Pope Benedict IX - (1020 - 1055) Roman Catholic Pope >>Pope John XII - (937 - 964) Roman Catholic Pope >>Pope Julius III - (1487 - 1555) Roman Catholic Pope >>Pope Leo X - (1475 - 1521) Roman Catholic Pope >>Pope Paul II - (1417 - 1471) Roman Catholic Pope >>Pope Sixtus IV - (1414 - 1484) Roman Catholic Pope > > > These are interesting, got a cite? > http://www.infopt.demon.co.uk/gayhist.htm |
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Daniel J. Stern wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Nov 2004, linda wrote: > > >>Bill, being a white female from the south, that argument won't fly with >>me... i would have to disagree just based on my experience.. nothing >>scientific... just my own personal experience... Gays are and have >>always been productive members of society. to name a few: >> >>Leonardo da Vinci (artist, inventor) >>Samuel Barber (composer) >>Gian Carlo Menotti (composer) >>Raymond Burr (actor, philanthropist) (NO!!!! Not Perry Mason!!!! i > > > Try John Wayne (Yep, John Wayne) for shock value. > > >>Pope Benedict IX - (1020 - 1055) Roman Catholic Pope >>Pope John XII - (937 - 964) Roman Catholic Pope >>Pope Julius III - (1487 - 1555) Roman Catholic Pope >>Pope Leo X - (1475 - 1521) Roman Catholic Pope >>Pope Paul II - (1417 - 1471) Roman Catholic Pope >>Pope Sixtus IV - (1414 - 1484) Roman Catholic Pope > > > These are interesting, got a cite? > http://www.infopt.demon.co.uk/gayhist.htm |
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On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 19:27:23 GMT, linda >
wrote: .... >> Where are you getting this? You* do* realize that, despite the >> descrimination against them, gays are productive members of society, >> don't you? >> No where am I saying that white males aren't doing anything. I'm >> saying they are being discriminated against. >> >> Bill Funk >> Change "g" to "a" > > >Bill, being a white female from the south, that argument won't fly with >me... i would have to disagree just based on my experience.. nothing >scientific... just my own personal experience... > > >Gays are and have always been productive members of society. to name a few: > >Leonardo da Vinci (artist, inventor) >Samuel Barber (composer) >Gian Carlo Menotti (composer) >Raymond Burr (actor, philanthropist) (NO!!!! Not Perry Mason!!!! i >thought he was always in love with Della!!!! :-( ) :-) >Amelia Earhart - Aviator, Explorer >Michelangelo - (1475 - 1564) Sculptor, Artist, Architect, Poet >Harvey Milk - (1930 - 1978) First openly gay official elected in the US >Plato - (427? - 347 B.C.) Philosopher >Pope Benedict IX - (1020 - 1055) Roman Catholic Pope >Pope John XII - (937 - 964) Roman Catholic Pope >Pope Julius III - (1487 - 1555) Roman Catholic Pope >Pope Leo X - (1475 - 1521) Roman Catholic Pope >Pope Paul II - (1417 - 1471) Roman Catholic Pope >Pope Sixtus IV - (1414 - 1484) Roman Catholic Pope >Richard the Lionheart - King of England >Cole Porter - (1893 - 1964) Composer >Gore Vidal (statesman, author, actor) Did you perhaps misread what I wrote? "Where are you getting this? You* do* realize that, despite the descrimination against them, gays are productive members of society, don't you?" -- Bill Funk Change "g" to "a" |
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On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 19:27:23 GMT, linda >
wrote: .... >> Where are you getting this? You* do* realize that, despite the >> descrimination against them, gays are productive members of society, >> don't you? >> No where am I saying that white males aren't doing anything. I'm >> saying they are being discriminated against. >> >> Bill Funk >> Change "g" to "a" > > >Bill, being a white female from the south, that argument won't fly with >me... i would have to disagree just based on my experience.. nothing >scientific... just my own personal experience... > > >Gays are and have always been productive members of society. to name a few: > >Leonardo da Vinci (artist, inventor) >Samuel Barber (composer) >Gian Carlo Menotti (composer) >Raymond Burr (actor, philanthropist) (NO!!!! Not Perry Mason!!!! i >thought he was always in love with Della!!!! :-( ) :-) >Amelia Earhart - Aviator, Explorer >Michelangelo - (1475 - 1564) Sculptor, Artist, Architect, Poet >Harvey Milk - (1930 - 1978) First openly gay official elected in the US >Plato - (427? - 347 B.C.) Philosopher >Pope Benedict IX - (1020 - 1055) Roman Catholic Pope >Pope John XII - (937 - 964) Roman Catholic Pope >Pope Julius III - (1487 - 1555) Roman Catholic Pope >Pope Leo X - (1475 - 1521) Roman Catholic Pope >Pope Paul II - (1417 - 1471) Roman Catholic Pope >Pope Sixtus IV - (1414 - 1484) Roman Catholic Pope >Richard the Lionheart - King of England >Cole Porter - (1893 - 1964) Composer >Gore Vidal (statesman, author, actor) Did you perhaps misread what I wrote? "Where are you getting this? You* do* realize that, despite the descrimination against them, gays are productive members of society, don't you?" -- Bill Funk Change "g" to "a" |
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