Stratus humming in front end

"Bill Putney" > wrote in message ...
> maxpower wrote:
> > "Bill Putney" > wrote in message
> > ...
>
> >>Glenn - You just reversed yourself - you had it right the first time -
> >>the left bearing is bad. You are going to owe the guy a bearing if he
> >>takes you up on it.
> >>
> >>Here's the correct explanation:...
>
> > It all sounds really good, but the right bearing is the bad one on his car
>
> Well, if he reports back, we'll know. But it's the left one that's bad
> on his. I have front wheel bearing noise on my '99 Concorde right now
> that I can turn off by turning to the left at hiway speed. Without
> doing any further diagnostics, I know without a doubt that I will
> eliminate the noise by replacing the right bearing, which I plan to do
> very shortly.
>
> Bill Putney
> (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
> adddress with the letter 'x')

Exactly..... you are right about yours, now read what he says again Bill.....I havent even taken a drink yet today and this is quite confusing.

OP
which gets louder the faster you
are moving. The humming quiets down and/or stops when you turn to the
right and gets louder when turning left.


> that I can turn off by turning to the left at hiway speed. Without
> doing any further diagnostics, I know without a doubt that I will
> eliminate the noise by replacing the right bearing,

If you turn to the left and the noise is is gone and turn to the right and it is there... you better get two bearings, because the right side wont fix it

maxpower wrote:
>
> "Bill Putney" >> wrote in message
> ...
> > maxpower wrote:
> > > "Bill Putney" >> wrote in message
> > > ...
> >
> > >>Glenn - You just reversed yourself - you had it right the first time -
> > >>the left bearing is bad. You are going to owe the guy a bearing if he
> > >>takes you up on it.
> > >>
> > >>Here's the correct explanation:...
> >
> > > It all sounds really good, but the right bearing is the bad one on
> his car
> >
> > Well, if he reports back, we'll know. But it's the left one that's bad
> > on his. I have front wheel bearing noise on my '99 Concorde right now
> > that I can turn off by turning to the left at hiway speed. Without
> > doing any further diagnostics, I know without a doubt that I will
> > eliminate the noise by replacing the right bearing, which I plan to do
> > very shortly.
> >
> > Bill Putney
> > (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
> > adddress with the letter 'x')
>
> Exactly..... you are right about yours, now read what he says again
> Bill.....I havent even taken a drink yet today and this is quite confusing.

Why do you say here (to me) "Exactly... you are right about yours...",
and then below, you say (to me) "you better get two bearings, because
the right side wont fix it". Are you running the OP's description of
his problem and my description of my problem together? You need to go
back and read the original posts and get your attributions right.

OP's symptoms (from OP's post):
> ...The humming quiets down and/or stops when you turn to the
> right and gets louder when turning left.

Louder when turning left, quieter when turning right = bad left bearing.
That's what I am saying, and continue to say to the OP. Whichever
side you turn to to cause (or increase) the noise is the side with the
bad bearing. Whichever side you turn to to decrease (or turn off) the
noise is the good bearing.

Summary of OP's problem: Turning right turns noise off = bad left bearing.

My symptoms (from my post):
> > that I can turn off by turning to the left at hiway speed. Without
> > doing any further diagnostics, I know without a doubt that I will
> > eliminate the noise by replacing the right bearing,

Summary of my symptoms: Turning left turns noise off = bad right bearing.

> If you turn to the left and the noise is is gone and turn to the right
> and it is there... you better get two bearings, because the right side
> wont fix it

(Even though you said above in this same post that I am exactly right
about mine.) Sorry - but it already did. I replaced the right bearing
(and only the right bearing) yesterday afternoon, and all noise is gone.
That is what my diagnosis said, and what I fully expected. Over my
35+ years of DIY'ing, I'm 8 for 8 with this method even though you and
others continue to challenge it.

I think you have mixed up what the OP said his symptoms were with what I
said my symtpoms were.

OP said (about his car): Turn right, gets quiet. I say therefore bad
left bearing.

I said (about my car): Turn left, gets quiet. I say therefore bad right
bearing (and proved it).

Are you confused or just f***ing with me (some people make a sport of
doing that)?

Bill Putney
(To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
adddress with the letter 'x')

Jack Idler wrote:

> > wrote in message
> oups.com...

>>Am I backwards in my thinking..?? If I turn to the right I'm putting
>>more weight and pressure on the left front wheel. If I turn to the
>>left, more weight and pressure on the right front wheel. So, in my
>>case, when I turn to the left, putting more weight and pressue on the
>>front right wheel, and the noise gets louder, my right (passenger) side
>>bearing could be bad..


> It's true that a right turn loads the left wheel, and vice versa (radially,
> at least). It is not true that by so loading a wheel a defective bearing in
> that wheel will necessarily make more noise. It can be just the
> opposite--that is, in right turn, a bad bearing in the right wheel can light
> off. I tried to point that out a few posts ago but someone keeps trying to
> clarify what I've said. If you don't believe it, go ahead and replace the
> one you think it is...you could be right....it's 50/50.

Actually the bad bearing being on the side that you steer to to make the
noise is way way more than 50/50. I have yet to have that *not* be the
case in the 8 bearings in my personal vehicles over the years. The odds
of statistically it being 50/50 and my hitting 8 out of 8 is staggering
(as in I would be a sure winner in the lottery).

Bill Putney
(To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
adddress with the letter 'x')

"Bill Putney" > wrote in message
...
> maxpower wrote:
> >
> > "Bill Putney" >> wrote in message
> > ...
> > > maxpower wrote:
> > > > "Bill Putney" >> wrote in
message
> > > > ...
> > >
> > > >>Glenn - You just reversed yourself - you had it right the first
time -
> > > >>the left bearing is bad. You are going to owe the guy a bearing if
he
> > > >>takes you up on it.
> > > >>
> > > >>Here's the correct explanation:...
> > >
> > > > It all sounds really good, but the right bearing is the bad one on
> > his car
> > >
> > > Well, if he reports back, we'll know. But it's the left one that's
bad
> > > on his. I have front wheel bearing noise on my '99 Concorde right
now
> > > that I can turn off by turning to the left at hiway speed. Without
> > > doing any further diagnostics, I know without a doubt that I will
> > > eliminate the noise by replacing the right bearing, which I plan to
do
> > > very shortly.
> > >
> > > Bill Putney
> > > (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
> > > adddress with the letter 'x')
> >
> > Exactly..... you are right about yours, now read what he says again
> > Bill.....I havent even taken a drink yet today and this is quite
confusing.
>
> Why do you say here (to me) "Exactly... you are right about yours...",
> and then below, you say (to me) "you better get two bearings, because
> the right side wont fix it". Are you running the OP's description of
> his problem and my description of my problem together? You need to go
> back and read the original posts and get your attributions right.
>
> OP's symptoms (from OP's post):
> > ...The humming quiets down and/or stops when you turn to the
> > right and gets louder when turning left.
>
> Louder when turning left, quieter when turning right = bad left bearing.
> That's what I am saying, and continue to say to the OP. Whichever
> side you turn to to cause (or increase) the noise is the side with the
> bad bearing. Whichever side you turn to to decrease (or turn off) the
> noise is the good bearing.
>
> Summary of OP's problem: Turning right turns noise off = bad left bearing.
>
> My symptoms (from my post):
> > > that I can turn off by turning to the left at hiway speed. Without
> > > doing any further diagnostics, I know without a doubt that I will
> > > eliminate the noise by replacing the right bearing,
>
> Summary of my symptoms: Turning left turns noise off = bad right bearing.
>
> > If you turn to the left and the noise is is gone and turn to the right
> > and it is there... you better get two bearings, because the right side
> > wont fix it
>
> (Even though you said above in this same post that I am exactly right
> about mine.) Sorry - but it already did. I replaced the right bearing
> (and only the right bearing) yesterday afternoon, and all noise is gone.
> That is what my diagnosis said, and what I fully expected. Over my
> 35+ years of DIY'ing, I'm 8 for 8 with this method even though you and
> others continue to challenge it.
>
> I think you have mixed up what the OP said his symptoms were with what I
> said my symtpoms were.
>
> OP said (about his car): Turn right, gets quiet. I say therefore bad
> left bearing.
>
> I said (about my car): Turn left, gets quiet. I say therefore bad right
> bearing (and proved it).
>
> Are you confused or just f***ing with me (some people make a sport of
> doing that)?
>
> Bill Putney
> (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
> adddress with the letter 'x')

I stand corrected, and yea I got it confused having both you and the OP
reply on my screen, we both agree to the same thing
I dont f*** with people on here

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> I have a 97 Stratus and a few months ago the car started a humming
> noise in the front end while driving, which gets louder the faster you
> are moving. The humming quiets down and/or stops when you turn to the
> right and gets louder when turning left.
>
> I know it's not the power steering pump. I've checked the front wheels
> and there's no play or abnormal movement. There's no play in the
> steering.
>
> Any ideas? I think I've narrowed it down to a rack and pinion and/or
> bearings.... am I off base here?
>
> By the way, can anyone tell me how to tell if a rack and pinion is bad?
>
>\
Nope his right bearing is bad, when you sway the vehicle to the left or
transfer the weight to the right side you are loading that bearing and the
noise is evident. By him turning to the left he is putting the weight on
right side and the left side is not loaded.
when He turns to the right he is unloading the right side and putting the
weight on the left side. no noise.

"maxpower" > wrote in message
...
>
> > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> > I have a 97 Stratus and a few months ago the car started a humming
> > noise in the front end while driving, which gets louder the faster you
> > are moving. The humming quiets down and/or stops when you turn to the
> > right and gets louder when turning left.
> >
> > I know it's not the power steering pump. I've checked the front wheels
> > and there's no play or abnormal movement. There's no play in the
> > steering.
> >
> > Any ideas? I think I've narrowed it down to a rack and pinion and/or
> > bearings.... am I off base here?
> >
> > By the way, can anyone tell me how to tell if a rack and pinion is bad?
> >
> >\
> Nope his right bearing is bad, when you sway the vehicle to the left or
> transfer the weight to the right side you are loading that bearing and the
> noise is evident. By him turning to the left he is putting the weight on
> right side and the left side is not loaded.
> when He turns to the right he is unloading the right side and putting the
> weight on the left side. no noise.
>
>
....why not mix me one of those?

"Jack Idler" > wrote in message
...
>
> "maxpower" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > > wrote in message
> > oups.com...
> > > I have a 97 Stratus and a few months ago the car started a humming
> > > noise in the front end while driving, which gets louder the faster you
> > > are moving. The humming quiets down and/or stops when you turn to the
> > > right and gets louder when turning left.
> > >
> > > I know it's not the power steering pump. I've checked the front
wheels
> > > and there's no play or abnormal movement. There's no play in the
> > > steering.
> > >
> > > Any ideas? I think I've narrowed it down to a rack and pinion and/or
> > > bearings.... am I off base here?
> > >
> > > By the way, can anyone tell me how to tell if a rack and pinion is
bad?
> > >
> > >\
> > Nope his right bearing is bad, when you sway the vehicle to the left or
> > transfer the weight to the right side you are loading that bearing and
the
> > noise is evident. By him turning to the left he is putting the weight on
> > right side and the left side is not loaded.
> > when He turns to the right he is unloading the right side and putting
the
> > weight on the left side. no noise.
> >
> >
> ...why not mix me one of those?

Even I got a good laugh out of that one, I have to admit. trying to read
all this with these kids running around and getting the evil eye from the
wife from spending so much time on here...It is very hard to reply to.
>

maxpower wrote:

> > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>
>>I have a 97 Stratus and a few months ago the car started a humming
>>noise in the front end while driving, which gets louder the faster you
>>are moving. The humming quiets down and/or stops when you turn to the
>>right and gets louder when turning left.
>>
>>I know it's not the power steering pump. I've checked the front wheels
>>and there's no play or abnormal movement. There's no play in the
>>steering.
>>
>>Any ideas? I think I've narrowed it down to a rack and pinion and/or
>>bearings.... am I off base here?
>>
>>By the way, can anyone tell me how to tell if a rack and pinion is bad?
>>
>>\
>
> Nope his right bearing is bad, when you sway the vehicle to the left or
> transfer the weight to the right side you are loading that bearing and the
> noise is evident. By him turning to the left he is putting the weight on
> right side and the left side is not loaded.
> when He turns to the right he is unloading the right side and putting the
> weight on the left side. no noise.

You got it backwards once again, Glenn. His left bearing is bad. We'll
skip the explanation this time, but once again, it's not the amount of
load or weight that is causing the noise in the bad bearing, but the
change in the direction of the load vector on that bearing (that moment
thing).

Bill Putney
(To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
adddress with the letter 'x')

Are you saying that you have replaced 8 wheel Bearings? And of those 8
wheel bearings each one was on the side that you turned to and not the
opposite side?
I have replaced 3 wheel bearings on 2 different Chrysler vehicles and they
were always on the opposite side that I turned. If the roar was apparent on
left turns the bearing that I replaced was on the weighted side (right
side) I would have to agree with Mr Beasley

maxpower wrote:

> ...we both agree to the same thing

Well, not according to your next post following this last one. You're
still saying his right bearing is bad. His left bearing is bad.

Bill Putney
(To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
adddress with the letter 'x')