Sloth Kills Two More

Agreed...see my post below.

On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 23:25:19 -0700, "C.H." >
wrote:

>On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 21:45:01 -0700, Scott en Aztlán wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 11:32:03 -0700, "C.H." > wrote:
>>
>>>> There's no question that the guy who crossed the double yellow has the
>>>> lion's share of the blame. However, that doesn't mean the Sloth is
>>>> entirely blameless. He is the one who created the dangerous situation
>>>> in the first place.
>>>
>>>The unsafe situation was created by the guy passing where it was not safe
>>>to do so. In traffic there are always situations where you are behind a
>>>slow car.
>>>
>>>It is the responsibility of the passing driver to make sure that it is
>>>safe to pass, when doing so. And it is no excuse to say 'but he was a
>>>sloth'.
>>
>> When one child in a school classroom is disruptive, annoying his
>> classmates and verbally taunting the other kids until they get ****ed off
>> and sock him in the nose, who should be removed from the class?
>
>That's not the same.

It's called an analogy - it's not the same, but it provides a fresh
perspective on the situation.

In both cases, you have someone being a complete and total ass,
interfering with normal, law-abiding people just trying to go about
their daily business. The question in both cases is should everyone
just sit there and take it? Can you blame someone for trying to put an
end to an annoying situation, even if the means are technically
illegal?

>If you pass where it is unsafe you alone create a
>dangerous situation.

If you drive in such a way that your behavior makes people angry - so
angry that they temporarily lose their good judgement and take risks
that they ordinarily wouldn't take in order to escape your asinine
behavior - YOU are the one creating the situation. If you were to
instead drive at the normal speed of traffic, the dangerous situaiton
would not exist.

Scott en Aztlán > wrote in
:

>
> If you drive in such a way that your behavior makes people angry - so
> angry that they temporarily lose their good judgement and take risks
> that they ordinarily wouldn't take in order to escape your asinine
> behavior - YOU are the one creating the situation. If you were to
> instead drive at the normal speed of traffic, the dangerous situaiton
> would not exist.
>

So if I call you a complete and total smeghead, and you whip around and
throttle me, thus taking your hands off the steering wheel & losing
control. It's my fault we flew into the green whirlly thing and ended up in
an alternate dimension?

Sorry Smeghead, I just don't see it.

Doug

Scott en Aztlán > wrote in
:

> On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 23:25:19 -0700, "C.H." >
> wrote:
>
>
>>If you pass where it is unsafe you alone create a
>>dangerous situation.
>
> If you drive in such a way that your behavior makes people angry - so
> angry that they temporarily lose their good judgement and take risks
> that they ordinarily wouldn't take in order to escape your asinine
> behavior - YOU are the one creating the situation. If you were to
> instead drive at the normal speed of traffic, the dangerous situaiton
> would not exist.
>

It amazes me how far people will go to dodge responsibility for their
actions.

This past winter I had someone run the red lights on my school bus. I was
subpoenaed by the court, and I did testify.

The driver blamed me for losing their license.

I'm not the one that drove past this BIG YELLOW thing with FLASHING RED
LIGHTS! But, it's my fault they can't drive for 60 days and have to pay
$300.

When you get behind the wheel of your vehicle, you and ONLY you are
responsible for your actions in controlling that vehicle.

If you get so ****ed off that you are going to do something completely
and utterly stupid. Pull over, get out of the car and take a deep breath.
By the time you get back into the car, the asswipe will be far away.

Doug

DYM wrote:
>
> Scott en Aztlán > wrote:
>
> > "C.H." > wrote:
> >
> >>If you pass where it is unsafe you alone create a
> >>dangerous situation.
> >
> > If you drive in such a way that your behavior makes people angry - so
> > angry that they temporarily lose their good judgement and take risks
> > that they ordinarily wouldn't take in order to escape your asinine
> > behavior - YOU are the one creating the situation. If you were to
> > instead drive at the normal speed of traffic, the dangerous situaiton
> > would not exist.
>
> It amazes me how far people will go to dodge responsibility for their
> actions.
>
> This past winter I had someone run the red lights on my school bus. I was
> subpoenaed by the court, and I did testify.
>
> The driver blamed me for losing their license.
>
> I'm not the one that drove past this BIG YELLOW thing with FLASHING RED
> LIGHTS! But, it's my fault they can't drive for 60 days and have to pay
> $300.
>
> When you get behind the wheel of your vehicle, you and ONLY you are
> responsible for your actions in controlling that vehicle.
>
> If you get so ****ed off that you are going to do something completely
> and utterly stupid. Pull over, get out of the car and take a deep breath.
> By the time you get back into the car, the asswipe will be far away.

It doesn't work that way. Pretty soon you'll catch up with him and the cars
stacked up behind him and you have the same problem all over again except
you're now at the end of the line with NO chance to pass him at an appropriate
spot.

OK, what IS the proper thing to do when a timid driver is heading down a
2-lane mountain road at 25 mph when the legal posted limit is 55 and he
refuses to turn out at the official turnouts? I think pushing him over the
side would be OK, but there would probably be witnesses.

--
Cheers,
Bev
----------------------------------------------------------
"When I was in college, the only job I could get was
****ting on people's lawns. Sure, the owners complained,
but it was honest work and it kept me off welfare..."
-- M. Tabnik in mcfl (paraphrased)

In article >,
The Real Bev > wrote:
>
>OK, what IS the proper thing to do when a timid driver is heading down a
>2-lane mountain road at 25 mph when the legal posted limit is 55 and he
>refuses to turn out at the official turnouts? I think pushing him over the
>side would be OK, but there would probably be witnesses.

I didn't see nuthin'. Sorry, judge, musta been talking on my cell
phone :-).

--
There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can
result in a fully-depreciated one.

On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 23:05:11 GMT, DYM > wrote:

>Sorry Smeghead, I just don't see it.

Coming from someone who refers to themselves as "DIM," I'm not
surprised.

"The Real Bev" > wrote in message
...
> DYM wrote:

> > When you get behind the wheel of your vehicle, you and ONLY you are
> > responsible for your actions in controlling that vehicle.
> >
> > If you get so ****ed off that you are going to do something completely
> > and utterly stupid. Pull over, get out of the car and take a deep
breath.
> > By the time you get back into the car, the asswipe will be far away.
>
> It doesn't work that way. Pretty soon you'll catch up with him and the
cars
> stacked up behind him and you have the same problem all over again except
> you're now at the end of the line with NO chance to pass him at an
appropriate
> spot.

Not necessarily. I have actually done this and it works most of the time.
Say the slow car is doing 50 in a 60 mph zone on a two lane road where you
can't pass. If you pull over and wait (or stop at a store for a drink) for
10 minutes they will be over 8 miles in front of you. If you now drive 5 mph
over the speed limt (65 mph), it will take you over 30 minutes to catch back
up to the slower car. During that 30 minutes the other car could have gone
an additional 25 miles. I think is highly unlikely that in 25 miles, the
slower car would not have turned off, or moved onto a divided highway where
all you faster guys could have blown by.

> OK, what IS the proper thing to do when a timid driver is heading down a
> 2-lane mountain road at 25 mph when the legal posted limit is 55 and he
> refuses to turn out at the official turnouts? I think pushing him over
the
> side would be OK, but there would probably be witnesses.

The proper thing to do is to show patience. I am not sure how long your 2
lane mountatin roads is, but say it is a 25 mile run down the mountain
(seems long to me). At 25 miles an hour, it would take an hour for the slow
poke to make it. At 55 it would take 27 minutes (assuming you could actually
average 55 on a twisted downhill road). DO You feel it is justifiable to
kill someone so you can save 33 minutes? Or is it only justifiable if you
and 9 other people can each save 27 minutes each?

People do thoughtless and / or stupid things all the time. You need to just
deal with. Even joking about pushing someone over the edge on a mountian
road so you could save a few minutes marks you as inconsiderate and
concerned only about yourself.

Ed

<snip>

> It doesn't work that way. Pretty soon you'll catch up with him and the cars
> stacked up behind him and you have the same problem all over again except
> you're now at the end of the line with NO chance to pass him at an appropriate
> spot.
>
> OK, what IS the proper thing to do when a timid driver is heading down a
> 2-lane mountain road at 25 mph when the legal posted limit is 55 and he
> refuses to turn out at the official turnouts? I think pushing him over the
> side would be OK, but there would probably be witnesses.
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Bev
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> "When I was in college, the only job I could get was
> ****ting on people's lawns. Sure, the owners complained,
> but it was honest work and it kept me off welfare..."
> -- M. Tabnik in mcfl (paraphrased)

Don't know other than the pull over and wait. The worst example I ever
saw was leaving crater lake. The road up from the west side is gradual
climging through mountain meadows. No real indicator that you are
gaining some real altitude. Going down the other side is another
matter. Narrow 2-lane, cliff one side, drop-off into space on other.
Came up on a flatlander (KS plate IIRC) doing 10 mph in the inside
(uphill lane) and crowding the cliff at that. He was nice tho, slowly
eased over with wifey craning head out window coaching him. Let me by
and back against cliff. Road was driveable at about 35-40 with a few
25 corners.

Harry K

Scott en Aztlán > wrote in
:

> On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 23:05:11 GMT, DYM > wrote:
>
>>Sorry Smeghead, I just don't see it.
>
> Coming from someone who refers to themselves as "DIM," I'm not
> surprised.
>
>

Uh, DYM, my initials.

Doug of the Clan McLeod.