Can an older Hybrid run without its battery after it dies?

Abeness wrote:
> jim beam wrote:
>
>> lack of folding mirrors is one of the things i hate the most about the
>> north american 96-00 civics - if you've ever been clipped by someone's
>> mirror while riding your bike, you'll know why.
>
>
> Boy am I glad I got a 94, then. I absolutely LOVE those folding mirrors.
> Discourages the local schmuck-teenagers from screwing with my mirrors.
>
> I wouldn't expect drivers to fold 'em in to protect bikers (bicyclists),
> though, that's expecting too much. You just gotta be adept/conscious
> enough to avoid the mirrors, Jim.

stationary vehicles are not the problem [unless someone opens a
door...], it's the moving ones that are the issue. i can personally
attest to the fact that folding mirrors give way on impact and leave you
with a fighting chance of staying on the bike. fixed ones just smack
you too hard.

> ;-) I live in NYC, with its fair share
> of narrow streets and insane drivers. Mirrors sticking out are just a
> fact of life.
>
> Abe

TWW > wrote:
> > wrote in message
>> TWW > wrote:
>> > You have a point I agree with. We have a standard Civic LX (03) as a
>> > third car I drive on I 75 several times a week to work. Get right at
>> > 37-38 per gallon of regular running 75 to 80.

>> 42mpg at 80mph with automatic and air, two passengers, in a Civic Hybrid.

> Point made. Given the additional cost of the hybrid, you won't recoup the
> difference in gas and tax savings.

I've thought about this for a while, and wonder what a plot of MPG verses
MPH looks like for your Civic LX. Are you getting a measured 37-38 over
some period of time between fillups?

My 2003 Civic Hybrid CVT, for a distance of 60 miles or mo
42 MPG at 80MPH, San Jose to Sacramento, I-680/205/5
50 MPG at 70MPH, San Jose to Benicia, I-680
59 MPG at 60MPH, San Jose to Benicia, I-680
65 MPG at 50MPH, Lake County to Napa County, country road.

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> wrote:

> It makes NO ECONOMIC SENSE to buy this car. It is for treehuggers.
> You will not recoup the extra cost by saving gas. If you a person who
> drives the wheels off a car because it is frugal, then just get a
> standard Civic.

At the rate the gas price is raising, it might actually save money in
the long run.

Bebop wrote:

> > wrote:
>
>> It makes NO ECONOMIC SENSE to buy this car. It is for treehuggers.
>> You will not recoup the extra cost by saving gas. If you a person who
>> drives the wheels off a car because it is frugal, then just get a
>> standard Civic.
>
> At the rate the gas price is raising, it might actually save money in
> the long run.

Only if you do A LOT of in-town driving. If you do more highway driving
than in-town, the increase in mpg over a non-hybrid is not that significant.

S.S. > wrote:

> Bebop wrote:
>
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> It makes NO ECONOMIC SENSE to buy this car. It is for treehuggers.
> >> You will not recoup the extra cost by saving gas. If you a person who
> >> drives the wheels off a car because it is frugal, then just get a
> >> standard Civic.
> >
> > At the rate the gas price is raising, it might actually save money in
> > the long run.
>
> Only if you do A LOT of in-town driving. If you do more highway driving
> than in-town, the increase in mpg over a non-hybrid is not that significant.

I know. My civic gets 43 mpg (hwy) and the hybrid gets 46.

It does make economic sense for some people. And there is tax
incentive, but it will end soon.

jim beam wrote:
>> Folding mirrors are about the first de-content item on the list, when
>> foreign manufacturers start building in U.S./Canada/Mexico. I think
>> the whole idea was to allow closer packing of imports on the cargo
>> ship. No cargo ship involved means no folding mirror is needed.
>>
>> Still, it is desirable for other reasons. I can't imagine driving so
>> close to a bicycle that it is an issue. Surely you mean YOU clipped a
>> stationary car??
>
>
> unfortunately not. you'd be "surprised" how close some people drive to
> bikes.

Yikes! Guess I've been lucky. Well, the basic rule in NYC is that you
can do anything on the road as long as you don't hit anyone else. Crazy
drivers we may be, but in general we're pretty good, I think. I have a
hard time saying that about cabbies, truth to tell... they're way crazy,
and it ain't always balanced with skill as in my case. ;-))

jim beam wrote:
> stationary vehicles are not the problem [unless someone opens a
> door...], it's the moving ones that are the issue. i can personally
> attest to the fact that folding mirrors give way on impact and leave you
> with a fighting chance of staying on the bike. fixed ones just smack
> you too hard.

Point taken--with horror!