Merge impaired slowpokes

Dave Head > wrote in
:

> What an incredible idiot you are! None of that "I'm right and he's
> wrong / illegal" bull**** will lower your risk of being in a
> collision. In fact, it raises it.
>
> The safest course of action when following someone on an on-ramp that
> is obviously not accelerating is to drop back, possibly stopping on
> the on-ramp until he is well ahead of you, and then _you_ acclerating
> to the speed of traffic and merging.

Yep,nothing like being an enabler along with a LLB.
>
> But _no_, you have to "teach him a lesson" by accelerating up beside
> him, cutting him off from his merge space, then whining about it when
> he merges anyway. I think I might have merged anyway, too, 'cuz U
> were being an asshole.

But wouldn't you be afraid that he might shoot at you or try to kill you in
some other way? That would be one of those "aggressive maneuvers" you seem
to fear.Or are you claiming that aggressive actions permit aggressive
REactions? Your previous posts indicate you would "enable" the sloth merger
to prevent getting shot at.

>
> Who's right isn't going to make any difference at all when they're
> trying to saw the top off your car to get you out of the tight little
> ball of metal it has become, hopefully before it catches fire.
>
>
> On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 06:53:24 +0000, Alexander Rogge
> > wrote:
>
>>> All of this was predictable.
>>
>>Yes, and that's what they expect - everyone else must go slower and
>>let them drive any way they want. An Enabler stays behind the
>>slowpoke as it merges into traffic, 20 under the speed of traffic. An
>>Enabler allows the incompetent driver to drift into other lanes
>>without signaling.
>>
>>> Signaling is unimportant.
>>
>>Failing to use turn signals indicates an impaired or incompetent
>>driver.
>> All normal lane changes and turns require the use of turn signals.
>>
>>> If he is in the acceleration lane and moving, and
>>> you have a room temp or higher IQ, you know what's going to happen
>>> next.
>>
>>Merging traffic must yield to traffic in the regular lanes. If the
>>merging driver is not able to accelerate to the speed of traffic, that
>>driver must stop until the lane is open. A rule from driving school,
>>with the speedometer around 140 and traffic on the left doing 200+ -
>>"Entering traffic must yield, maintain your speed and don't change
>>lanes!" That's what I expect from all drivers. Now I can be coming
>>down the right lane at 200 and I expect entering traffic to accelerate
>>to 200 or wait until I pass the acceleration lane.
>>
>>>>I pass the Toyota and cut in
>>>>front, and notice that the Toyota driver has its high-beams on.
>>>
>>> Aggressive moves like that will cause such reactions. You should
>>> have just stayed left.
>>
>>No, the high-beams were on before I moved in front. It's the broken
>>high-beam DRLs. I had to get out of Lane 1 quickly to avoid being hit
>>by the approaching traffic. Not moving left would have caused a side
>>collision with the SUV, and braking would have caused a rear-end
>>collision. The SUV driver created the hazard by drifting into my
>>lane.
>
>



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> What an incredible idiot you are!

*plonk*

> But _no_, you have to "teach him a lesson" by accelerating up beside him,
> cutting him off from his merge space, then whining about it when he merges
> anyway.

A merge requires acceleration to match the speed of traffic. The Sloth
drivers drift into the regular lanes at below the speed of traffic.
They cause a problem for all drivers who expect proper merging behavior.
If drivers in the regular lanes must brake or change lanes to avoid
hitting a merging vehicle, that merging driver is doing something wrong.
Sloth drivers want everyone else to adjust to their bad driving, and
then they get mad when someone doesn't show them "consideration" by
allowing them to drift all over the road. By not forcing the Sloth
driver to accelerate, it would drift in front of the next vehicle in
line, forcing the other drivers to brake or change lanes.

> What an incredible idiot you are!

*plonk*

> But _no_, you have to "teach him a lesson" by accelerating up beside him,
> cutting him off from his merge space, then whining about it when he merges
> anyway.

A merge requires acceleration to match the speed of traffic. The Sloth
drivers drift into the regular lanes at below the speed of traffic.
They cause a problem for all drivers who expect proper merging behavior.
If drivers in the regular lanes must brake or change lanes to avoid
hitting a merging vehicle, that merging driver is doing something wrong.
Sloth drivers want everyone else to adjust to their bad driving, and
then they get mad when someone doesn't show them "consideration" by
allowing them to drift all over the road. By not forcing the Sloth
driver to accelerate, it would drift in front of the next vehicle in
line, forcing the other drivers to brake or change lanes.

I think Dave is right on, though a bit vitriolic. This "enabler" idea is the
problem, Alexander. As a driver - and not a police officer or driving
instructor - you're not there to teach lessons or dole out punishments. (And
in all likelihood you neither taught him a lesson or succeeded in punishing
anyone but yourself. And you really would have been punished if he
side-swiped you.) You need to concentrate on getting to where you are going
as safely as possible. As Dave pointed out perhaps a bit too eloquently, you
should have been able to anticipate the potential danger you caused when you
came out and tried to pass the other driver in the very lane that he was
merging onto.

That being said, I agree with you that it is VERY frustrating trying to
enter behind someone who refuses to get up to highway speed. Going onto a 65
mph highway at 45 mph is really dangerous. This happens to me a lot. Here's
what I do: I try to slow down much as possible to widen the gap between me
and the slow poke ahead. Then, after he's on the highway, gun and merge at
full speed if I can. Of course, being aware of your surroundings is
critical. You have to look at the traffic on the on-ramp behind you as well
as take measure of the traffic in the right and center lanes of the highway
on which you're merging. If you come on at full speed and the slow guy is
still not up to speed, then you need to know if you can pull in the center
lane at that point - of course leaving yourself enough time to make sure he
is not going to do the same thing. This is the art of defensive, creative,
controlled and safe driving. And you'd be much better practicing that than
worrying about how to punish or teach someone who doesn't understand how to
drive safety. It also will make you safer.

That's my view anyway.


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"Dave Head" > wrote in message
...
>
> Now, there's a brain-dead manuever. What did U think was gonna happen
next?
<snip>

I think Dave is right on, though a bit vitriolic. This "enabler" idea is the
problem, Alexander. As a driver - and not a police officer or driving
instructor - you're not there to teach lessons or dole out punishments. (And
in all likelihood you neither taught him a lesson or succeeded in punishing
anyone but yourself. And you really would have been punished if he
side-swiped you.) You need to concentrate on getting to where you are going
as safely as possible. As Dave pointed out perhaps a bit too eloquently, you
should have been able to anticipate the potential danger you caused when you
came out and tried to pass the other driver in the very lane that he was
merging onto.

That being said, I agree with you that it is VERY frustrating trying to
enter behind someone who refuses to get up to highway speed. Going onto a 65
mph highway at 45 mph is really dangerous. This happens to me a lot. Here's
what I do: I try to slow down much as possible to widen the gap between me
and the slow poke ahead. Then, after he's on the highway, gun and merge at
full speed if I can. Of course, being aware of your surroundings is
critical. You have to look at the traffic on the on-ramp behind you as well
as take measure of the traffic in the right and center lanes of the highway
on which you're merging. If you come on at full speed and the slow guy is
still not up to speed, then you need to know if you can pull in the center
lane at that point - of course leaving yourself enough time to make sure he
is not going to do the same thing. This is the art of defensive, creative,
controlled and safe driving. And you'd be much better practicing that than
worrying about how to punish or teach someone who doesn't understand how to
drive safety. It also will make you safer.

That's my view anyway.


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Anthony Giorgianni

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"Dave Head" > wrote in message
...
>
> Now, there's a brain-dead manuever. What did U think was gonna happen
next?
<snip>

> in all likelihood you neither taught him a lesson or succeeded in punishing
> anyone but yourself.

Forcing the slowpoke to speed up prevented an incident with the traffic
behind, which was able to pass the slowpoke normally instead of swerving
around it.

> And you really would have been punished if he
> side-swiped you.)

The driver was holding the steering wheel with the right wrist on the
left side of the wheel. The driver could not have moved quickly enough
to cause a collision.

> should have been able to anticipate the potential danger you caused when you
> came out and tried to pass the other driver in the very lane that he was
> merging onto.

The second lane was open. I don't drive in a way that could cause a
collision or a problem for innocent bystanders. Incidents like these
are not "unexpected" at all.

> That being said, I agree with you that it is VERY frustrating trying to
> enter behind someone who refuses to get up to highway speed.

What can happen is that the slowpoke is able to merge in front of an
Enabler, and then you get rear-ended or pushed off the road because the
traffic suddenly slows down. The really bad ones drift across the
roadway and into the passing lane, forcing all the traffic to swerve
around the hazard.

> in all likelihood you neither taught him a lesson or succeeded in punishing
> anyone but yourself.

Forcing the slowpoke to speed up prevented an incident with the traffic
behind, which was able to pass the slowpoke normally instead of swerving
around it.

> And you really would have been punished if he
> side-swiped you.)

The driver was holding the steering wheel with the right wrist on the
left side of the wheel. The driver could not have moved quickly enough
to cause a collision.

> should have been able to anticipate the potential danger you caused when you
> came out and tried to pass the other driver in the very lane that he was
> merging onto.

The second lane was open. I don't drive in a way that could cause a
collision or a problem for innocent bystanders. Incidents like these
are not "unexpected" at all.

> That being said, I agree with you that it is VERY frustrating trying to
> enter behind someone who refuses to get up to highway speed.

What can happen is that the slowpoke is able to merge in front of an
Enabler, and then you get rear-ended or pushed off the road because the
traffic suddenly slows down. The really bad ones drift across the
roadway and into the passing lane, forcing all the traffic to swerve
around the hazard.

"Anthony Giorgianni" >
wrote in
:

> I think Dave is right on, though a bit vitriolic. This "enabler" idea
> is the problem, Alexander. As a driver - and not a police officer or
> driving instructor - you're not there to teach lessons or dole out
> punishments.

Nor should anyone allow a bad driver to cause them to brake or change lanes
due to their sloppy driving.

After all,it's up to the bad driver to learn their own lessons.
IMO,they should not learn that they can do as they please at other's
expense.One should not reinforce negative behavior.(by tolerating it)


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at
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"Anthony Giorgianni" >
wrote in
:

> I think Dave is right on, though a bit vitriolic. This "enabler" idea
> is the problem, Alexander. As a driver - and not a police officer or
> driving instructor - you're not there to teach lessons or dole out
> punishments.

Nor should anyone allow a bad driver to cause them to brake or change lanes
due to their sloppy driving.

After all,it's up to the bad driver to learn their own lessons.
IMO,they should not learn that they can do as they please at other's
expense.One should not reinforce negative behavior.(by tolerating it)


--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Alexander Rogge > wrote in
:

>> in all likelihood you neither taught him a lesson or succeeded in
>> punishing anyone but yourself.
>
> Forcing the slowpoke to speed up prevented an incident with the
> traffic behind, which was able to pass the slowpoke normally instead
> of swerving around it.
>
>> And you really would have been punished if he
>> side-swiped you.)
>
> The driver was holding the steering wheel with the right wrist on the
> left side of the wheel. The driver could not have moved quickly
> enough to cause a collision.
>
>> should have been able to anticipate the potential danger you caused
>> when you came out and tried to pass the other driver in the very lane
>> that he was merging onto.
>
> The second lane was open. I don't drive in a way that could cause a
> collision or a problem for innocent bystanders. Incidents like these
> are not "unexpected" at all.
>
>> That being said, I agree with you that it is VERY frustrating trying
>> to enter behind someone who refuses to get up to highway speed.
>
> What can happen is that the slowpoke is able to merge in front of an
> Enabler, and then you get rear-ended or pushed off the road because
> the traffic suddenly slows down. The really bad ones drift across the
> roadway and into the passing lane, forcing all the traffic to swerve
> around the hazard.
>

Yes,sloth driver plus enabler makes for hazardous conditions.
It's not enjoyable getting rearended.

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