Traffic Ticket in Toronto

Hi folks,

Just received a ticket over the weekend for failing to stop (a rolling stop)
at a stop sign. Will be pleading not guilty and fighting the ticket in
traffic court. Question, has anyone ever used X-Copper as a service? Is it
worth the $300 CDN? Any idea if this is a charge that is easily fought,
short of the officer not showing up?

TIA,
HDR

Unless you are in danger of losing your licence, have a strong case to make
in your defence, expect the cop to fail to show, or have found a
technicality that will obviate the ticket (I once had one dismissed because
the cop forgot to write in the city where the offence took place), why
bother? The fee for the service sounds like it's about triple what a fine
might be, and you'll probably have to pay both.

Doug

"HDR" > wrote in message
...
> Hi folks,
>
> Just received a ticket over the weekend for failing to stop (a rolling
stop)
> at a stop sign. Will be pleading not guilty and fighting the ticket in
> traffic court. Question, has anyone ever used X-Copper as a service? Is it
> worth the $300 CDN? Any idea if this is a charge that is easily fought,
> short of the officer not showing up?
>
> TIA,
> HDR
>
>

Responder wrote:

> "HDR" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Hi folks,
>>
>>Just received a ticket over the weekend for failing to stop (a rolling
>
> stop)
>
>>at a stop sign. Will be pleading not guilty and fighting the ticket in
>>traffic court. Question, has anyone ever used X-Copper as a service? Is it
>>worth the $300 CDN? Any idea if this is a charge that is easily fought,
>>short of the officer not showing up?
>>
>>TIA,
>>HDR
> Unless you are in danger of losing your licence, have a strong case
to make
> in your defence, expect the cop to fail to show, or have found a
> technicality that will obviate the ticket (I once had one dismissed
because
> the cop forgot to write in the city where the offence took place), why
> bother? The fee for the service sounds like it's about triple what a
fine
> might be, and you'll probably have to pay both.
>
> Doug
>

Not sure if insurance is the same in CA as in US, but the increases in
insurance premiums here far outweigh the actual fines. I would hesitate
to pay $300 (even $C) for such a service, but just showing up on your
court day will only cost your time, lost wages and gas money to the
couthouse. If the copper doesn't show, you win. If he does show (and
you have no defense) you can always plead guilty at that time and pay
the fine.

-Fred W

"Fred W" > wrote in message
...
> Responder wrote:
>
> > "HDR" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> >>Hi folks,
> >>
> >>Just received a ticket over the weekend for failing to stop (a rolling
> >
> > stop)
> >
> >>at a stop sign. Will be pleading not guilty and fighting the ticket in
> >>traffic court. Question, has anyone ever used X-Copper as a service? Is
it
> >>worth the $300 CDN? Any idea if this is a charge that is easily fought,
> >>short of the officer not showing up?
> >>
> >>TIA,
> >>HDR
> > Unless you are in danger of losing your licence, have a strong case
> to make
> > in your defence, expect the cop to fail to show, or have found a
> > technicality that will obviate the ticket (I once had one dismissed
> because
> > the cop forgot to write in the city where the offence took place), why
> > bother? The fee for the service sounds like it's about triple what a
> fine
> > might be, and you'll probably have to pay both.
> >
> > Doug
> >
>
> Not sure if insurance is the same in CA as in US, but the increases in
> insurance premiums here far outweigh the actual fines. I would hesitate
> to pay $300 (even $C) for such a service, but just showing up on your
> court day will only cost your time, lost wages and gas money to the
> couthouse. If the copper doesn't show, you win. If he does show (and
> you have no defense) you can always plead guilty at that time and pay
> the fine.


.... or sign up for Traffic School.

"HDR" > wrote in message >...
> Hi folks,
>
> Just received a ticket over the weekend for failing to stop (a rolling stop)
> at a stop sign. Will be pleading not guilty and fighting the ticket in
> traffic court. Question, has anyone ever used X-Copper as a service? Is it
> worth the $300 CDN? Any idea if this is a charge that is easily fought,
> short of the officer not showing up?
>
> TIA,
> HDR

I was in the exact same situation once in Kitchener. I knew that more
likely than not, the cop will turn up (Kitchener just isn't as busy)
and decided to see a JP (justice of the peace, a 24 hr
service)instead. Pleaded my case that I am guilty but that I am a
responsible driver etc. and had my fine reduced to something like
$25.00. You may want to try that. If you do decide, the JP is adressed
as 'your worship'!

Regards,

Vijay

"HDR" > wrote in message
...
> Hi folks,
>
> Just received a ticket over the weekend for failing to stop (a rolling
> stop)
> at a stop sign. Will be pleading not guilty and fighting the ticket in
> traffic court. Question, has anyone ever used X-Copper as a service? Is it
> worth the $300 CDN? Any idea if this is a charge that is easily fought,
> short of the officer not showing up?
>
> TIA,
> HDR
>

"................finally I said to the cop, Slow right down, stop, slow
right down, stop...What's the big ****ing deal, I slow down or I stop, give
me a ****ing break already! He tells me to get out of the car. When I do he
handcuffs me and starts beating me with his baton. While he's whacking the
**** out of me he asks "Now, do you want me to slow down or STOP ?"

I said please stop and give me the ticket thanks.

(-;

But seriously, it's not a subjective call. In the end it will be your word
against the cops so you've got a 50/50 chance AT BEST. Your only argument
could be that you did stop, but perhaps the officer didn't perceive this
because you were stopped for just a second, (or maybe he was in a moving
car?). Don't be a wise guy, be very nice and polite and say stuff like you
can understand how the office MIGHT have thought that you didn't stop, but
he was mistaken. Then you'll be at the 50/50 chance. Any suggestions that
the cop was just plain wrong or an asshole, etc. etc. will kill any chance
of success. IF you have an excellent record bring that up, otherwise stay
away from it.

Good luck.

The X-Coppers type guys are best for speeding tickets, because they know
what questions to ask to cast aspersions on the accuracy of the speed you
were tagged for. This bit I know from excellent sources, but as for anything
else I'm not sure. If it's free to talk to them about your situation then
why not go and see how you feel?


Let us know how it turns out.

Cheers



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Apparently you don't pay if they get you off.


"Responder" > wrote in message
news:E1Qjd.150722$nl.36117@pd7tw3no...
> Unless you are in danger of losing your licence, have a strong case to
> make
> in your defence, expect the cop to fail to show, or have found a
> technicality that will obviate the ticket (I once had one dismissed
> because
> the cop forgot to write in the city where the offence took place), why
> bother? The fee for the service sounds like it's about triple what a fine
> might be, and you'll probably have to pay both.
>
> Doug
>
> "HDR" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> Just received a ticket over the weekend for failing to stop (a rolling
> stop)
>> at a stop sign. Will be pleading not guilty and fighting the ticket in
>> traffic court. Question, has anyone ever used X-Copper as a service? Is
>> it
>> worth the $300 CDN? Any idea if this is a charge that is easily fought,
>> short of the officer not showing up?
>>
>> TIA,
>> HDR
>>
>>
>
>


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"Fred W" > wrote in message
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> Responder wrote:
>
>> "HDR" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>>Hi folks,
>>>
>>>Just received a ticket over the weekend for failing to stop (a rolling
>>
>> stop)
>>
>>>at a stop sign. Will be pleading not guilty and fighting the ticket in
>>>traffic court. Question, has anyone ever used X-Copper as a service? Is
>>>it
>>>worth the $300 CDN? Any idea if this is a charge that is easily fought,
>>>short of the officer not showing up?

I was advised by a cop who gave me a speeding ticket (I'm known to the
police as a good guy, but I didn't know this cop), to just show up for the
court date and talk to him before and remind him about it. When I showed up
and did he said he would agree to a lesser speed with no points and told me
to go over to Crown or prosecutor and tell him that, and that's what
happened when I got called. I guess he just wasn't willing to let me walk,
but was nice enough to give me a break. When I asked him later what that
was all about he said that he doesn't give guys a break at ticket time
because he's given guys major breaks and then the prick still goes to court
to fight it, even bringing up that the cop gave him a break so "he must have
jacked up the speed" or some bull**** like that. All in all he was pretty
nice to me.




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"Vijay Kumar" > wrote in message
om...
> "HDR" > wrote in message
> >...
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> Just received a ticket over the weekend for failing to stop (a rolling
>> stop)
>> at a stop sign. Will be pleading not guilty and fighting the ticket in
>> traffic court. Question, has anyone ever used X-Copper as a service? Is
>> it
>> worth the $300 CDN? Any idea if this is a charge that is easily fought,
>> short of the officer not showing up?
>>
>> TIA,
>> HDR
>
> I was in the exact same situation once in Kitchener. I knew that more
> likely than not, the cop will turn up (Kitchener just isn't as busy)
> and decided to see a JP (justice of the peace, a 24 hr
> service)instead. Pleaded my case that I am guilty but that I am a
> responsible driver etc. and had my fine reduced to something like
> $25.00. You may want to try that. If you do decide, the JP is adressed
> as 'your worship'!
>
> Regards,
>
> Vijay

Not "Your Honor". Just remember, the fine and the points are separate
issues. You can plead poverty and have the fine reduced to $1, but if you
were going XXX miles over the limit you'll still get nailed for the points.



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"tech27" > wrote in message
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>
> "Vijay Kumar" > wrote in message
> om...
> > "HDR" > wrote in message
> > >...
> >> Hi folks,
> >>
> >> Just received a ticket over the weekend for failing to stop (a rolling
> >> stop)
> >> at a stop sign. Will be pleading not guilty and fighting the ticket in
> >> traffic court. Question, has anyone ever used X-Copper as a service? Is
> >> it
> >> worth the $300 CDN? Any idea if this is a charge that is easily fought,
> >> short of the officer not showing up?
> >>
> >> TIA,
> >> HDR
> >
> > I was in the exact same situation once in Kitchener. I knew that more
> > likely than not, the cop will turn up (Kitchener just isn't as busy)
> > and decided to see a JP (justice of the peace, a 24 hr
> > service)instead. Pleaded my case that I am guilty but that I am a
> > responsible driver etc. and had my fine reduced to something like
> > $25.00. You may want to try that. If you do decide, the JP is adressed
> > as 'your worship'!
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Vijay
>
> Not "Your Honor". Just remember, the fine and the points are separate
> issues. You can plead poverty and have the fine reduced to $1, but if you
> were going XXX miles over the limit you'll still get nailed for the
points.

Also insurance doesn't care if it's points or no points within reason, they
just call it a "minor infraction". To that end I had "failing to product
proof of insurance" and a ticket for 15 over or whatver it was, = 3 points,
weighed equally as "two minor infractions" to bump my insurance up.

-Russ.