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  #31  
Old November 23rd 03, 04:50 AM
Aardvark F. Bandersnatch, Esq.
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"Eric Schreiber" wrote in message
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Rex Grigg wrote:

You really have to watch what you say and make sure you don't give
opinions anymore. I received this nice email this evening. Just a
heads up for all of you.


If they've really met with their attorney, maybe they could ask him to
write their letters for them in the future, as it's quite clear that
Carl Denzer lacks any substantial grammatical skills.


Seems to me it should/would be the lawyer's writing and sending the letter,
either way. And from my limited experience with litigation, they NEVER send
such notifications by email, but always through registered mail.

There's some BS going on here somewhere.


  #32  
Old November 23rd 03, 05:25 AM
Bob Alston
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You make an interesting point. Yes, attorneys do generally write such
letters and send them registered. Sounds like someone in the company may
just be threatening to consult with attorneys, which costs $$$, and
self-drafted their own "cease and desist letter".

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Bob Alston

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"Aardvark F. Bandersnatch, Esq." wrote in message
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"Eric Schreiber" wrote in message
...
Rex Grigg wrote:

You really have to watch what you say and make sure you don't give
opinions anymore. I received this nice email this evening. Just a
heads up for all of you.


If they've really met with their attorney, maybe they could ask him to
write their letters for them in the future, as it's quite clear that
Carl Denzer lacks any substantial grammatical skills.


Seems to me it should/would be the lawyer's writing and sending the

letter,
either way. And from my limited experience with litigation, they NEVER

send
such notifications by email, but always through registered mail.

There's some BS going on here somewhere.




  #33  
Old November 23rd 03, 08:18 AM
Robert H
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tose (LeighMo) wrote in message ...
They claim to be based in Houston, but you certainly wouldn't know it
from their language skills.


Near as I can tell, they have their web site hosted with a company in Houston.
But if you look at their actual physical addresses (listed on their web site,
under "contacts"), they're all overseas, in places like Thailand, the Malta
Islands, Indonesia, Singapore, Portugal, etc. If they want to file a lawsuit
in the U.S., they're going to have to hire a lawyer. I think they'll find
American lawyers are a lot pricier than American webhosting.



Actually that means nothing. They can have business partners in Europe
or Asia. Its an American company based in Houston. Even if they are
part of a parent company overseas, they have an American office. They
are a member of the Houston Better Business bureau. They make
donations to Aquarium Societies all over the USA. If they have offices
all over the world, thats even scarier, that means they have the money
to sue. I am not defending them or attacking them here....all I am
saying is that the legal definition of slander would be in their
favor. If you bought their product and expressed dis satisfaction,
that would be different, but none of you have done that.

There is a well known name in the industry who markets products that I
have often heard people refer to as snake oil, but if people said that
publicaly on the internet, they would be crazy! Because they would get
sued and they would lose...most likely. Am I being over cautious?
Maybe I am, but I have good reason to be. The Pets whse thing IS
different. Complaining of bad service is not slander.
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Old November 23rd 03, 05:59 PM
LeighMo
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If you bought their product and expressed dis satisfaction,
that would be different, but none of you have done that.


All I said about them is their English sucks. It ain't slander because it's
true.

There is a well known name in the industry who markets products that I
have often heard people refer to as snake oil, but if people said that
publicaly on the internet, they would be crazy! Because they would get
sued and they would lose...most likely.


No, I don't think they would. You don't have to buy a perpetual motion machine
in order to prove it doesn't work. What usually happens is the thing PSW
counted on: people would rather shut up and or pay up than go to court.

Am I being over cautious?
Maybe I am, but I have good reason to be. The Pets whse thing IS
different. Complaining of bad service is not slander.


As I recall, you didn't want us speaking up about that, either.


Leigh

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Old November 23rd 03, 07:17 PM
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Yep,
But I believe it hurts a business a lot if they lose the court of
public opinion here on the net. Even if they can beat up on a few very
skeptical people with the law. One or two comments is one thing from a
poster, but if the person keeps posting nasty stuff about a company,
then the company should go after them some. Slander is not good and
should never be done.

But I will be critical of product even if I have not tried it if they
cannot
explain how/why it works. A business does not have the right to
surpress questioning and by ignoring the questions, they invite this
type of situation to arise. Again, they hang themselves by their own
rope. They created the issues, not the potential customer.

One or two post should certainly be ignored or be addressed on topic
about their claims by the company.

Last I checked, a sciencist cost less than a lawyer
And you will get much good will from them vs a lawyer(which no body
likes:-)

Regards,
Tom Barr


Chuck Gadd wrote in message . ..
On 22 Nov 2003 10:54:18 -0800,
) wrote:

Your selling something that requires this approach in sales
By not doing that, it makes the consumer both paranoid/suspicious and
also the mere fact that you threaten instead of discussing gives a
horrid taste in ANY consumer's mouth.


I definitely agree with this point. I have my opinion on the product
in question based on the pseudo-scientific descriptions, but what
makes me most skeptical is that rather than debate the science, they
consult lawyers. If there is solid science behind a product, then
that seems that discussing that science would be the best way to
response to critics.

If I was selling a product that WAS snake-oil, then my only way to
challenge critics would be thru a lawyer.


Chuck Gadd
http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua

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Old November 24th 03, 10:00 AM
Robert H
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tose (LeighMo) wrote in message ...
If you bought their product and expressed dis satisfaction,
that would be different, but none of you have done that.


All I said about them is their English sucks. It ain't slander because it's
true.

There is a well known name in the industry who markets products that I
have often heard people refer to as snake oil, but if people said that
publicaly on the internet, they would be crazy! Because they would get
sued and they would lose...most likely.


No, I don't think they would. You don't have to buy a perpetual motion machine
in order to prove it doesn't work. What usually happens is the thing PSW
counted on: people would rather shut up and or pay up than go to court.


Its gone way beyond that. Its not as simple as that. And they did not
go out of business, all they did was change their WEB address.



Am I being over cautious?
Maybe I am, but I have good reason to be. The Pets whse thing IS
different. Complaining of bad service is not slander.


As I recall, you didn't want us speaking up about that, either.


I don't know what you are reffering to, but obviously none of this is
getting thru to you. I'm not the enemy here. I'm not involved and I am
not the one threatening to sue.

Leigh, I don't really care what you say or what you do. Its your neck,
not mine. I'm just trying to give you a friendly little warning. More
power to you! Give them hell! Screw the consequences. BTW, I agree
with everything Tom said. Every word. It still doesn't change the
reality.
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Old November 24th 03, 12:34 PM
LeighMo
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I don't know what you are reffering to, but obviously none of this is
getting thru to you. I'm not the enemy here. I'm not involved and I am
not the one threatening to sue.


Every time something like this comes up, you post warning us of the dire things
that can happen to us if we dare say bad things about businesses. If I were
the cynical type, I might think you were trying to discourage people from
dissing bad service or bad products because you are yourself a business person.
But luckily, I'm not, and I assume you are just overly concerned about our
welfare.

Well, we're all adults. Those of us who have been posting to this thread have
been following the PSW mess from the beginning. We know the risks we are
taking by speaking out. We know them all too well. Obviously, if we're still
speaking out, we've made some decisions about freedom of speech vs. risk of
lawsuits. Trust us to make our own decisions, okay?


 




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