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Racing games 'breed' bad drivers
"Tim Wheatley" > wrote in message ups.com... > On Mar 19, 2:52 pm, "Alan Bernardo" > wrote: >> > wrote in message >> >> oups.com... >> >> > One thing I find when I put kids on my racing simulator - especially >> > kids who have only played NFS-type games, is that they have no concept >> > of having to slow down for a turn. They think you can just go full- >> > throttle all the time. I doubt very many would take this attitude >> > into real life driving, but some probably would. >> >> > I let my 13 year old nephew and 11 year old son try the F430 mod at >> > Monaco over the weekend. In both cases they actually did a pretty >> > good job. But it was still difficult to get them to slow down enough >> > to go through the turns properly. >> >> > Pat Dotson >> >> It's BS to think that kids-- no matter how stupid-- would actually think >> that sim driving habits would transfer over to real driving success >> (i.e., >> no accidents, etc.). >> >> Sounds to me like someone is making some wild claims in order to get >> people >> to read something. >> >> Alanb > > Lots of kids have undiagnosed mental problems. This isn't too far out > of the realms of belief. It's not so much believing there is no > consequence, it's about them believing they have skills that they > don't. I remember 10 years ago when I was that age hearing people > saying their reflexes and stuff were so much better because of games > and how cool that was... > Certainly. Kids or adults who have undiagnosed mental problems, as you say, can be effected by a chirping bird. But to say that simulation driving games or driving games in general can produce bad drivers is absurd. Alan |
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Racing games 'breed' bad drivers
On Mar 19, 3:52 pm, "Alan Bernardo" > wrote:
> > wrote in message > > oups.com... > > > One thing I find when I put kids on my racing simulator - especially > > kids who have only played NFS-type games, is that they have no concept > > of having to slow down for a turn. They think you can just go full- > > throttle all the time. I doubt very many would take this attitude > > into real life driving, but some probably would. > > > I let my 13 year old nephew and 11 year old son try the F430 mod at > > Monaco over the weekend. In both cases they actually did a pretty > > good job. But it was still difficult to get them to slow down enough > > to go through the turns properly. > > > Pat Dotson > > It's BS to think that kids-- no matter how stupid-- would actually think > that sim driving habits would transfer over to real driving success (i.e., > no accidents, etc.). > > Sounds to me like someone is making some wild claims in order to get people > to read something. > > Alanb But on the reverse side in Winnipeg Man, there's apparently an rash of kids stealing cars to go hunting joggers (opening the passenger door to hit them as they drive by), one guys' in a coma. Dollars to donuts it's somethign they learned from a console game and wanted to try it for real. |
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Racing games 'breed' bad drivers
On Mar 21, 4:32 pm, "mcewena" > wrote:
> On Mar 19, 3:52 pm, "Alan Bernardo" > wrote: > > > > > > > > wrote in message > > roups.com... > > > > One thing I find when I put kids on my racing simulator - especially > > > kids who have only played NFS-type games, is that they have no concept > > > of having to slow down for a turn. They think you can just go full- > > > throttle all the time. I doubt very many would take this attitude > > > into real life driving, but some probably would. > > > > I let my 13 year old nephew and 11 year old son try the F430 mod at > > > Monaco over the weekend. In both cases they actually did a pretty > > > good job. But it was still difficult to get them to slow down enough > > > to go through the turns properly. > > > > Pat Dotson > > > It's BS to think that kids-- no matter how stupid-- would actually think > > that sim driving habits would transfer over to real driving success (i.e., > > no accidents, etc.). > > > Sounds to me like someone is making some wild claims in order to get people > > to read something. > > > Alanb > > But on the reverse side in Winnipeg Man, there's apparently an rash of > kids stealing cars to go hunting joggers (opening the passenger door > to hit them as they drive by), one guys' in a coma. Dollars to > donuts it's somethign they learned from a console game and wanted to > try it for real.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Obviously games didn't make them assholes but it's likely a tool that helped them on their way. |
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Racing games 'breed' bad drivers
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> > One thing I'm not going to let them do is race karts which > I've done for several years, but I am thinking of putting > them in a 1/4 midget car this year. May I ask why? -a friend of mine's 11-year old daughter (who, incidentally, caught the racing bug at the wheel of a GPL F3 car on my PC) is now karting (MiniMax I think it's called) and, from watching a couple meetings, it seems pretty safe to me. Of course a closed car on an oval will be even safer, I suppose... Jan. =--- |
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Racing games 'breed' bad drivers
"mcewena" > wrote in message oups.com... > On Mar 19, 3:52 pm, "Alan Bernardo" > wrote: >> > wrote in message >> >> oups.com... >> >> > One thing I find when I put kids on my racing simulator - especially >> > kids who have only played NFS-type games, is that they have no concept >> > of having to slow down for a turn. They think you can just go full- >> > throttle all the time. I doubt very many would take this attitude >> > into real life driving, but some probably would. >> >> > I let my 13 year old nephew and 11 year old son try the F430 mod at >> > Monaco over the weekend. In both cases they actually did a pretty >> > good job. But it was still difficult to get them to slow down enough >> > to go through the turns properly. >> >> > Pat Dotson >> >> It's BS to think that kids-- no matter how stupid-- would actually think >> that sim driving habits would transfer over to real driving success >> (i.e., >> no accidents, etc.). >> >> Sounds to me like someone is making some wild claims in order to get >> people >> to read something. >> >> Alanb > > But on the reverse side in Winnipeg Man, there's apparently an rash of > kids stealing cars to go hunting joggers (opening the passenger door > to hit them as they drive by), one guys' in a coma. Dollars to > donuts it's somethign they learned from a console game and wanted to > try it for real. > My guess is that they did not learn this from any video or computer game. This kind of thing has been tried before, way before computers came to be. If it happened when there were no computers and no television, who is to blame. If such things happen when there was no computer but there was television, then it's television's fault. If it happens when there was television but now there are computers and computer and video games, it's the games that did it. The better explanation is that some goons thought of it themselves, while others may have just replicated what they saw on the news, about whacking joggers with a car door. All this stuff about how games and other media influence bad acts is complete BS. There are some bad actors who, no matter the influence, are going to do bad things. Watching cartoons only makes someone more violent if that person was violent to begin with, and the same goes with any other kind of external influence. Claiming otherwise only sell books and advertisements. Alan |
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Racing games 'breed' bad drivers
Tim Wheatley wrote:
> On Mar 20, 4:48 am, Uwe Schürkamp > wrote: >> May I suggest you were an idiot for buying your kids a freaking >> motorcycle in the first place??? Don't know about you, but in my day and >> age, we were content riding our bicycles around the park and making >> "vroommm vroomm" noises ;-) > > Showing your age there Uwe. Now everybody knows you grew up before > they invented the powered motorcar. ;-) Uwe, I think you should have a look at this: http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20030102648.html Hope this helps. Sincerely, Mr. Sylvestre |
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Racing games 'breed' bad drivers
"Jan Verschueren" > wrote in message ... > > wrote... >> >> One thing I'm not going to let them do is race karts which >> I've done for several years, but I am thinking of putting >> them in a 1/4 midget car this year. > > May I ask why? -a friend of mine's 11-year old daughter (who, > incidentally, caught the racing bug at the wheel of a GPL F3 car on my PC) > is now karting (MiniMax I think it's called) and, from watching a couple > meetings, it seems pretty safe to me. Of course a closed car on an oval > will be even safer, I suppose... > > Jan. Carting is huge here in the MW US and very safe. They even require Hans devices and have very strict chassis safety regulations. 1/4 midgets are very good too, but because of distance to go racing them, they just haven't caught on as much as carts in our area. I would not hesitate to say that racing either carts or 1/4 midgets is probably safer than baseball. My bad knees will attest to that.......:-) Ed |
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Racing games 'breed' bad drivers
On Mar 21, 7:38 pm, "Jan Verschueren"
> wrote: > > wrote... > > One thing I'm not going to let them do is race karts which > > I've done for several years, but I am thinking of putting > > them in a 1/4 midget car this year. > > May I ask why? -a friend of mine's 11-year old daughter (who, incidentally, First I'll say, in five years of racing karts I've never seen a kid get very seriously hurt. I believe it's fairly safe too. But, I have seen some kids in crashes who could have been severely injured. They were lucky. I've personally been in some pretty hairy situations including a flip at 70 mph - those incidents are usually due to incompetent adults. I'm just not going to put my kids into that potential situation. If I put them in a motorized vehicle to compete it will be something with a harness and a roll cage. Ed mentioned a type of karts called "champ karts" that are raced in some parts of the US. They have a roll cage and harnesses. Unfortunately, they haven't caught on in my area. It's all open karts around here. Not that 1/4 midgets are perfect. I know of one local kid who broke a leg in a 1/4 midget crash. But at least they are somewhat protected in a midget. Plus the 1/4 midget tracks are generally very small compared to kart ovals, so speeds are relatively low. Not to mention I'd like to start messing around with suspension settings on those cars Pat Dotson |
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Racing games 'breed' bad drivers
> wrote in message oups.com... > On Mar 21, 7:38 pm, "Jan Verschueren" > > wrote: >> > wrote... >> > One thing I'm not going to let them do is race karts which >> > I've done for several years, but I am thinking of putting >> > them in a 1/4 midget car this year. >> >> May I ask why? -a friend of mine's 11-year old daughter (who, >> incidentally, > > First I'll say, in five years of racing karts I've never seen a kid > get very seriously hurt. I believe it's fairly safe too. But, I have > seen some kids in crashes who could have been severely injured. They > were lucky. I've personally been in some pretty hairy situations > including a flip at 70 mph - those incidents are usually due to > incompetent adults. I'm just not going to put my kids into that > potential situation. If I put them in a motorized vehicle to compete > it will be something with a harness and a roll cage. > > Ed mentioned a type of karts called "champ karts" that are raced in > some parts of the US. They have a roll cage and harnesses. > Unfortunately, they haven't caught on in my area. It's all open karts > around here. > > Not that 1/4 midgets are perfect. I know of one local kid who broke a > leg in a 1/4 midget crash. But at least they are somewhat protected > in a midget. Plus the 1/4 midget tracks are generally very small > compared to kart ovals, so speeds are relatively low. Not to mention > I'd like to start messing around with suspension settings on those > cars > > Pat Dotson > Yep, champ carts is what the kids race around here. They are kind of like a roll cage with a motor.......:-). There are several classes all the way up to really fast shifter carts that will top 90-100mph ( maybe even a bit quicker). We go watch a kid in one of my wife's classes who has progressed all the way up to the shifters. He is 11yrs old. He started in the entry levels about 5yrs ago. He wants to go midget racing, and he could probably do it for less money than the carts......When I found out how much money was in those carts I damn near flipped......... The problem is the 150-200 mile minimum trip to go race midgets and 1/4s, and even further (Iowa has several good venues) for good competition and reputable sactioning bodies. Ed |
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