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  #21  
Old December 29th 04, 01:20 AM
Jim Yanik
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Alexander Rogge > wrote in
:

>> in all likelihood you neither taught him a lesson or succeeded in
>> punishing anyone but yourself.

>
> Forcing the slowpoke to speed up prevented an incident with the
> traffic behind, which was able to pass the slowpoke normally instead
> of swerving around it.
>
>> And you really would have been punished if he
>> side-swiped you.)

>
> The driver was holding the steering wheel with the right wrist on the
> left side of the wheel. The driver could not have moved quickly
> enough to cause a collision.
>
>> should have been able to anticipate the potential danger you caused
>> when you came out and tried to pass the other driver in the very lane
>> that he was merging onto.

>
> The second lane was open. I don't drive in a way that could cause a
> collision or a problem for innocent bystanders. Incidents like these
> are not "unexpected" at all.
>
>> That being said, I agree with you that it is VERY frustrating trying
>> to enter behind someone who refuses to get up to highway speed.

>
> What can happen is that the slowpoke is able to merge in front of an
> Enabler, and then you get rear-ended or pushed off the road because
> the traffic suddenly slows down. The really bad ones drift across the
> roadway and into the passing lane, forcing all the traffic to swerve
> around the hazard.
>


Yes,sloth driver plus enabler makes for hazardous conditions.
It's not enjoyable getting rearended.

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  #22  
Old December 29th 04, 07:13 AM
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Anthony Giorgianni wrote:

> I think Dave is right on, though a bit vitriolic. This "enabler" idea is the
> problem, Alexander. As a driver - and not a police officer or driving
> instructor - you're not there to teach lessons or dole out punishments. (And
> in all likelihood you neither taught him a lesson or succeeded in punishing
> anyone but yourself. And you really would have been punished if he
> side-swiped you.) You need to concentrate on getting to where you are going
> as safely as possible. As Dave pointed out perhaps a bit too eloquently, you
> should have been able to anticipate the potential danger you caused when you
> came out and tried to pass the other driver in the very lane that he was
> merging onto.
>
> That being said, I agree with you that it is VERY frustrating trying to
> enter behind someone who refuses to get up to highway speed. Going onto a 65
> mph highway at 45 mph is really dangerous. This happens to me a lot. Here's
> what I do: I try to slow down much as possible to widen the gap between me
> and the slow poke ahead. Then, after he's on the highway, gun and merge at
> full speed if I can. Of course, being aware of your surroundings is
> critical. You have to look at the traffic on the on-ramp behind you as well
> as take measure of the traffic in the right and center lanes of the highway
> on which you're merging. If you come on at full speed and the slow guy is
> still not up to speed, then you need to know if you can pull in the center
> lane at that point - of course leaving yourself enough time to make sure he
> is not going to do the same thing. This is the art of defensive, creative,
> controlled and safe driving. And you'd be much better practicing that than
> worrying about how to punish or teach someone who doesn't understand how to
> drive safety. It also will make you safer.
>
> That's my view anyway.
>


I've found that often these slow mergers also merge early, which offers
an easy solution to the whole problem - just stick your foot in it and
use the acceleration lane to pass the slowpoke. Sure, they'll think
you're a jerk but there's no safer place to be than in *front* of them,
and it's less frustrating for you as well.

nate


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  #23  
Old December 29th 04, 07:13 AM
Nate Nagel
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Anthony Giorgianni wrote:

> I think Dave is right on, though a bit vitriolic. This "enabler" idea is the
> problem, Alexander. As a driver - and not a police officer or driving
> instructor - you're not there to teach lessons or dole out punishments. (And
> in all likelihood you neither taught him a lesson or succeeded in punishing
> anyone but yourself. And you really would have been punished if he
> side-swiped you.) You need to concentrate on getting to where you are going
> as safely as possible. As Dave pointed out perhaps a bit too eloquently, you
> should have been able to anticipate the potential danger you caused when you
> came out and tried to pass the other driver in the very lane that he was
> merging onto.
>
> That being said, I agree with you that it is VERY frustrating trying to
> enter behind someone who refuses to get up to highway speed. Going onto a 65
> mph highway at 45 mph is really dangerous. This happens to me a lot. Here's
> what I do: I try to slow down much as possible to widen the gap between me
> and the slow poke ahead. Then, after he's on the highway, gun and merge at
> full speed if I can. Of course, being aware of your surroundings is
> critical. You have to look at the traffic on the on-ramp behind you as well
> as take measure of the traffic in the right and center lanes of the highway
> on which you're merging. If you come on at full speed and the slow guy is
> still not up to speed, then you need to know if you can pull in the center
> lane at that point - of course leaving yourself enough time to make sure he
> is not going to do the same thing. This is the art of defensive, creative,
> controlled and safe driving. And you'd be much better practicing that than
> worrying about how to punish or teach someone who doesn't understand how to
> drive safety. It also will make you safer.
>
> That's my view anyway.
>


I've found that often these slow mergers also merge early, which offers
an easy solution to the whole problem - just stick your foot in it and
use the acceleration lane to pass the slowpoke. Sure, they'll think
you're a jerk but there's no safer place to be than in *front* of them,
and it's less frustrating for you as well.

nate


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  #24  
Old December 29th 04, 07:19 AM
Anthony Giorgianni
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Jim Yanik" .> wrote in message
.. .
<snip>

>
> Nor should anyone allow a bad driver to cause them to brake or change

lanes
> due to their sloppy driving.
>
> After all,it's up to the bad driver to learn their own lessons.
> IMO,they should not learn that they can do as they please at other's
> expense.One should not reinforce negative behavior.(by tolerating it)
>



And I wrote:

Dear Jim

It's not up to us to discourage other drivers or be intolerant of their
behavior. If you want to do that, enroll in the police academy. It's up to
us to drive safely. Using a two-ton vehicle as a teaching tool or punishment
device on a highway is irresponsible. It turns YOU into the bad driver.

If you think another driver is doing something so dangerous that he needs
intervention, pull over, get on a cell phone and call the police. Appointing
yourself Rambo road guardian or becoming a self-imposed highway instructor
is dangerous and immature. It could cause an accident and/or get everyone's
tempers going. It doesn't teach anyone anything because no one recognizes
the authority that you think you have to control the world, especially not
the driver you're going to **** off by trying to teach him a lesson. (Maybe
he's the cop. Or maybe he'll have a bigger lesson he wants to teach you.)

So now I'll be on my way now. No testosterone-induced driving debate for me.
I'll got better things to do. Take my advice or leave it. It's up to you.

And you know what? If we should meet on the road and I think you're going
too fast, I won't even try to teach you a lesson by blocking you. I'm going
to be an enabler and let you go and go -- even if it means I have to move
over to the side of the road to let you pass. I'll I just trundle along in
the right lane, trying to avoid as many slow pokes and angry lesson teachers
as I can because, from where I sit, you're both exactly the same... lousy
drivers.

Thanks for the response. I wish both of you and Alexander and everyone here
the best of luck and many safe miles!
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  #25  
Old December 29th 04, 07:19 AM
Anthony Giorgianni
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Jim Yanik" .> wrote in message
.. .
<snip>

>
> Nor should anyone allow a bad driver to cause them to brake or change

lanes
> due to their sloppy driving.
>
> After all,it's up to the bad driver to learn their own lessons.
> IMO,they should not learn that they can do as they please at other's
> expense.One should not reinforce negative behavior.(by tolerating it)
>



And I wrote:

Dear Jim

It's not up to us to discourage other drivers or be intolerant of their
behavior. If you want to do that, enroll in the police academy. It's up to
us to drive safely. Using a two-ton vehicle as a teaching tool or punishment
device on a highway is irresponsible. It turns YOU into the bad driver.

If you think another driver is doing something so dangerous that he needs
intervention, pull over, get on a cell phone and call the police. Appointing
yourself Rambo road guardian or becoming a self-imposed highway instructor
is dangerous and immature. It could cause an accident and/or get everyone's
tempers going. It doesn't teach anyone anything because no one recognizes
the authority that you think you have to control the world, especially not
the driver you're going to **** off by trying to teach him a lesson. (Maybe
he's the cop. Or maybe he'll have a bigger lesson he wants to teach you.)

So now I'll be on my way now. No testosterone-induced driving debate for me.
I'll got better things to do. Take my advice or leave it. It's up to you.

And you know what? If we should meet on the road and I think you're going
too fast, I won't even try to teach you a lesson by blocking you. I'm going
to be an enabler and let you go and go -- even if it means I have to move
over to the side of the road to let you pass. I'll I just trundle along in
the right lane, trying to avoid as many slow pokes and angry lesson teachers
as I can because, from where I sit, you're both exactly the same... lousy
drivers.

Thanks for the response. I wish both of you and Alexander and everyone here
the best of luck and many safe miles!
--
Regards,
Anthony Giorgianni

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  #26  
Old December 29th 04, 07:34 AM
Brent P
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In article >, Nate Nagel wrote:

> I've found that often these slow mergers also merge early, which offers
> an easy solution to the whole problem - just stick your foot in it and
> use the acceleration lane to pass the slowpoke. Sure, they'll think
> you're a jerk but there's no safer place to be than in *front* of them,
> and it's less frustrating for you as well.


Around here they stay in the acceleration lane to the very end of it.

Had to merge early and then make it double moving into the middle lane
because of one today. He wanted to merge into 70-80mph traffic at 40mph.


  #27  
Old December 29th 04, 07:34 AM
Brent P
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In article >, Nate Nagel wrote:

> I've found that often these slow mergers also merge early, which offers
> an easy solution to the whole problem - just stick your foot in it and
> use the acceleration lane to pass the slowpoke. Sure, they'll think
> you're a jerk but there's no safer place to be than in *front* of them,
> and it's less frustrating for you as well.


Around here they stay in the acceleration lane to the very end of it.

Had to merge early and then make it double moving into the middle lane
because of one today. He wanted to merge into 70-80mph traffic at 40mph.


  #28  
Old December 29th 04, 05:46 PM
Jim Yanik
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Nate Nagel > wrote in
:

> Anthony Giorgianni wrote:
>
>> I think Dave is right on, though a bit vitriolic. This "enabler" idea
>> is the problem, Alexander. As a driver - and not a police officer or
>> driving instructor - you're not there to teach lessons or dole out
>> punishments. (And in all likelihood you neither taught him a lesson
>> or succeeded in punishing anyone but yourself. And you really would
>> have been punished if he side-swiped you.) You need to concentrate
>> on getting to where you are going as safely as possible. As Dave
>> pointed out perhaps a bit too eloquently, you should have been able
>> to anticipate the potential danger you caused when you came out and
>> tried to pass the other driver in the very lane that he was merging
>> onto.
>>
>> That being said, I agree with you that it is VERY frustrating trying
>> to enter behind someone who refuses to get up to highway speed. Going
>> onto a 65 mph highway at 45 mph is really dangerous. This happens to
>> me a lot. Here's what I do: I try to slow down much as possible to
>> widen the gap between me and the slow poke ahead. Then, after he's on
>> the highway, gun and merge at full speed if I can. Of course, being
>> aware of your surroundings is critical. You have to look at the
>> traffic on the on-ramp behind you as well as take measure of the
>> traffic in the right and center lanes of the highway on which you're
>> merging. If you come on at full speed and the slow guy is still not
>> up to speed, then you need to know if you can pull in the center lane
>> at that point - of course leaving yourself enough time to make sure
>> he is not going to do the same thing. This is the art of defensive,
>> creative, controlled and safe driving. And you'd be much better
>> practicing that than worrying about how to punish or teach someone
>> who doesn't understand how to drive safety. It also will make you
>> safer.
>>
>> That's my view anyway.
>>

>
> I've found that often these slow mergers also merge early, which
> offers an easy solution to the whole problem - just stick your foot in
> it and use the acceleration lane to pass the slowpoke. Sure, they'll
> think you're a jerk but there's no safer place to be than in *front*
> of them, and it's less frustrating for you as well.
>
> nate
>
>


Well,in my experience,most sloth mergers go all the way to the end before
merging(and THEN accellerating,ever so slowly),so I'd hate to gamble and
then have them do just that,making both of you merge hazardously.

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at
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  #29  
Old December 29th 04, 05:46 PM
Jim Yanik
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Nate Nagel > wrote in
:

> Anthony Giorgianni wrote:
>
>> I think Dave is right on, though a bit vitriolic. This "enabler" idea
>> is the problem, Alexander. As a driver - and not a police officer or
>> driving instructor - you're not there to teach lessons or dole out
>> punishments. (And in all likelihood you neither taught him a lesson
>> or succeeded in punishing anyone but yourself. And you really would
>> have been punished if he side-swiped you.) You need to concentrate
>> on getting to where you are going as safely as possible. As Dave
>> pointed out perhaps a bit too eloquently, you should have been able
>> to anticipate the potential danger you caused when you came out and
>> tried to pass the other driver in the very lane that he was merging
>> onto.
>>
>> That being said, I agree with you that it is VERY frustrating trying
>> to enter behind someone who refuses to get up to highway speed. Going
>> onto a 65 mph highway at 45 mph is really dangerous. This happens to
>> me a lot. Here's what I do: I try to slow down much as possible to
>> widen the gap between me and the slow poke ahead. Then, after he's on
>> the highway, gun and merge at full speed if I can. Of course, being
>> aware of your surroundings is critical. You have to look at the
>> traffic on the on-ramp behind you as well as take measure of the
>> traffic in the right and center lanes of the highway on which you're
>> merging. If you come on at full speed and the slow guy is still not
>> up to speed, then you need to know if you can pull in the center lane
>> at that point - of course leaving yourself enough time to make sure
>> he is not going to do the same thing. This is the art of defensive,
>> creative, controlled and safe driving. And you'd be much better
>> practicing that than worrying about how to punish or teach someone
>> who doesn't understand how to drive safety. It also will make you
>> safer.
>>
>> That's my view anyway.
>>

>
> I've found that often these slow mergers also merge early, which
> offers an easy solution to the whole problem - just stick your foot in
> it and use the acceleration lane to pass the slowpoke. Sure, they'll
> think you're a jerk but there's no safer place to be than in *front*
> of them, and it's less frustrating for you as well.
>
> nate
>
>


Well,in my experience,most sloth mergers go all the way to the end before
merging(and THEN accellerating,ever so slowly),so I'd hate to gamble and
then have them do just that,making both of you merge hazardously.

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at
kua.net
  #30  
Old December 29th 04, 05:54 PM
Jim Yanik
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"Anthony Giorgianni" >
wrote in
:

> Jim Yanik" .> wrote in message
> .. .
><snip>
>
>>
>> Nor should anyone allow a bad driver to cause them to brake or change

> lanes
>> due to their sloppy driving.
>>
>> After all,it's up to the bad driver to learn their own lessons.
>> IMO,they should not learn that they can do as they please at other's
>> expense.One should not reinforce negative behavior.(by tolerating it)
>>

>
>
> And I wrote:
>
> Dear Jim
>
> It's not up to us to discourage other drivers or be intolerant of
> their behavior. If you want to do that, enroll in the police academy.
> It's up to us to drive safely. Using a two-ton vehicle as a teaching
> tool or punishment device on a highway is irresponsible. It turns YOU
> into the bad driver.
>
> If you think another driver is doing something so dangerous that he
> needs intervention, pull over, get on a cell phone and call the
> police.


Useless, as police have to SEE the infraction themselves before writing a
ticket.

> Appointing yourself Rambo road guardian or becoming a
> self-imposed highway instructor is dangerous and immature.


Not making space for a sloth merger is not being "Rambo" or self-styled
highway instructor.It's passive,not active.


> It could
> cause an accident


So can sloth merging.

> and/or get everyone's tempers going. It doesn't
> teach anyone anything because no one recognizes the authority that you
> think you have to control the world,


I'm not "controlling" anyone.Just not altering my path to facilitate their
bad behavior.Maybe they learn from it,probably not.They didn't the first
time.

> especially not the driver you're
> going to **** off by trying to teach him a lesson. (Maybe he's the
> cop. Or maybe he'll have a bigger lesson he wants to teach you.)
>
> So now I'll be on my way now. No testosterone-induced driving debate
> for me. I'll got better things to do. Take my advice or leave it. It's
> up to you.
>
> And you know what? If we should meet on the road and I think you're
> going too fast, I won't even try to teach you a lesson by blocking
> you.


Equating "going too fast" with hazardous merging is quite a stretch.


> I'm going to be an enabler and let you go and go -- even if it
> means I have to move over to the side of the road to let you pass.
> I'll I just trundle along in the right lane,


Where you should be,anyways.KRETP.


> trying to avoid as many
> slow pokes and angry lesson teachers


There's a big difference between "lesson teachers" and passively allowing
one to learn from their mistakes.


> as I can because, from where I
> sit, you're both exactly the same... lousy drivers.
>
> Thanks for the response. I wish both of you and Alexander and everyone
> here the best of luck and many safe miles!




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at
kua.net
 




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