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tesla model s engineering efforts reuse in the day and age of "platforms"
Now that tesla has a useful cage in model s it could sell it to the highest bidder
who can promptly plunk a gasoline engine under the hood or into the trunk and sell 10x cars than tesla would for all their electric models combined. |
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tesla model s engineering efforts reuse in the day and age of "platforms"
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: > Now that tesla has a useful cage in model s it could sell it to the > highest bidder who can promptly plunk a gasoline engine under the hood > or into the trunk and sell 10x cars than tesla would for all their > electric models combined. Doesn't work that way. Tesla makes all of its profit on gaming tax rules and federal/state credits. Gas engines would not generate the same tax largesse. http://www.forbes.com/sites/patrickm...ve-some-money/ Excerpt: "Tesla didn't generate a profit by selling sexy cars, but rather by selling sleazy emissions "credits," mandated by the state of California's electric vehicle requirements. The competition, like Honda, doesn't have a mass market plug-in to meet the mandate and therefore must buy the credits from Tesla, the only company that does. The bill for last quarter was $68 million. Absent this shakedown of potential car buyers, Tesla would have lost $57 million, or $11,400 per car." -- Tegger |
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tesla model s engineering efforts reuse in the day and age of"platforms"
On 8/26/2013 11:30 AM, Tegger wrote:
> wrote in > : > >> Now that tesla has a useful cage in model s it could sell it to the >> highest bidder who can promptly plunk a gasoline engine under the hood >> or into the trunk and sell 10x cars than tesla would for all their >> electric models combined. > > > > Doesn't work that way. Tesla makes all of its profit on gaming > tax rules and federal/state credits. Gas engines would not > generate the same tax largesse. > > http://www.forbes.com/sites/patrickm...ve-some-money/ > > Excerpt: > "Tesla didn't generate a profit by selling sexy cars, but rather by > selling sleazy emissions "credits," mandated by the state of > California's electric vehicle requirements. The competition, > like Honda, doesn't have a mass market plug-in to meet the mandate > and therefore must buy the credits from Tesla, the only company > that does. The bill for last quarter was $68 million. Absent this > shakedown of potential car buyers, Tesla would have lost $57 million, > or $11,400 per car." > Electrical vehicles should be called "remote emissions vehicles" and not "zero emissions vehicles". I make it a point to rev my engine constantly and then pull a wheelie whenever I am next to a hybrid or electrical vehicle, so as to annoy the smug driver. -- T0m $herm@n |
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tesla model s engineering efforts reuse in the day and age of "platforms"
On Tuesday, August 27, 2013 4:39:58 AM UTC+3, T0m $herman wrote:
> On 8/26/2013 11:30 AM, Tegger wrote: > > > wrote in > > > : > > > > > >> Now that tesla has a useful cage in model s it could sell it to the > > >> highest bidder who can promptly plunk a gasoline engine under the hood > > >> or into the trunk and sell 10x cars than tesla would for all their > > >> electric models combined. > > > > > > > > > > > > Doesn't work that way. Tesla makes all of its profit on gaming > > > tax rules and federal/state credits. Gas engines would not > > > generate the same tax largesse. > > > > > > http://www.forbes.com/sites/patrickm...ve-some-money/ > > > > > > Excerpt: > > > "Tesla didn't generate a profit by selling sexy cars, but rather by > > > selling sleazy emissions "credits," mandated by the state of > > > California's electric vehicle requirements. The competition, > > > like Honda, doesn't have a mass market plug-in to meet the mandate > > > and therefore must buy the credits from Tesla, the only company > > > that does. The bill for last quarter was $68 million. Absent this > > > shakedown of potential car buyers, Tesla would have lost $57 million, > > > or $11,400 per car." > > > > > Electrical vehicles should be called "remote emissions vehicles" and not > > "zero emissions vehicles". > My point was that tesla could sell the chassis of model s to another car maker who won't have a problem installing a gasoline engine in it cause I could not care less for a remote emissions car. > I make it a point to rev my engine constantly and then pull a wheelie > > whenever I am next to a hybrid or electrical vehicle, so as to annoy the > > smug driver. > I pulled a stoppie on my bicycle recently. Was not a big one, the rear wheel was off the ground about 4", but, since I did not expect it (and it was my first stoppie ever) I farted. So bicycles are not as green as some people think due to scarefarts. |
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tesla model s engineering efforts reuse in the day and age of "platforms"
On Tuesday, August 27, 2013 1:51:18 AM UTC-5, wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 27, 2013 4:39:58 AM UTC+3, T0m $herman wrote: > > > On 8/26/2013 11:30 AM, Tegger wrote: > > > > > > > wrote in > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Now that tesla has a useful cage in model s it could sell it to the > > > > > > >> highest bidder who can promptly plunk a gasoline engine under the hood > > > > > > >> or into the trunk and sell 10x cars than tesla would for all their > > > > > > >> electric models combined. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Doesn't work that way. Tesla makes all of its profit on gaming > > > > > > > tax rules and federal/state credits. Gas engines would not > > > > > > > generate the same tax largesse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.forbes.com/sites/patrickm...ve-some-money/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Excerpt: > > > > > > > "Tesla didn't generate a profit by selling sexy cars, but rather by > > > > > > > selling sleazy emissions "credits," mandated by the state of > > > > > > > California's electric vehicle requirements. The competition, > > > > > > > like Honda, doesn't have a mass market plug-in to meet the mandate > > > > > > > and therefore must buy the credits from Tesla, the only company > > > > > > > that does. The bill for last quarter was $68 million. Absent this > > > > > > > shakedown of potential car buyers, Tesla would have lost $57 million, > > > > > > > or $11,400 per car." > > > > > > > > > > > > > Electrical vehicles should be called "remote emissions vehicles" and not > > > > > > "zero emissions vehicles". > > > > > > > My point was that tesla could sell the chassis of model s to > > another car maker who won't have a problem installing a gasoline > > engine in it cause I could not care less for a remote emissions car. > > > > > I make it a point to rev my engine constantly and then pull a wheelie > > > > > > whenever I am next to a hybrid or electrical vehicle, so as to annoy the > > > > > > smug driver. > > > > > I pulled a stoppie on my bicycle recently. Was not a big one, > > the rear wheel was off the ground about 4", but, > > since I did not expect it (and it was my first stoppie ever) I farted. > > So bicycles are not as green as some people think due to scarefarts. Back in the 1950s when I was riding my bicycle with a buddy sitting on the handlebars, he happened to get one of his bare feet too close to the front wheel, instant stoppie! |
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tesla model s engineering efforts reuse in the day and age of"platforms"
On 08/26/2013 09:30 AM, Tegger wrote:
> wrote in > : > >> Now that tesla has a useful cage in model s it could sell it to the >> highest bidder who can promptly plunk a gasoline engine under the hood >> or into the trunk and sell 10x cars than tesla would for all their >> electric models combined. > > > > Doesn't work that way. Tesla makes all of its profit on gaming > tax rules and federal/state credits. Gas engines would not > generate the same tax largesse. > > http://www.forbes.com/sites/patrickm...ve-some-money/ > > Excerpt: > "Tesla didn't generate a profit by selling sexy cars, but rather by > selling sleazy emissions "credits," mandated by the state of > California's electric vehicle requirements. The competition, > like Honda, doesn't have a mass market plug-in to meet the mandate > and therefore must buy the credits from Tesla, the only company > that does. The bill for last quarter was $68 million. Absent this > shakedown of potential car buyers, Tesla would have lost $57 million, > or $11,400 per car." > exactly right. i particularly love how musk managed to get the political mandate to have nasa donate all their rocket technology, then a multi-billion dollar launch contract, so he can get paid for doing what we gave nasa the money to do in the first place!!! the guy gets full points for audaciousness, that's for sure. -- fact check required |
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tesla model s engineering efforts reuse in the day and age of"platforms"
On 08/26/2013 06:39 PM, T0m $herman wrote:
> On 8/26/2013 11:30 AM, Tegger wrote: >> wrote in >> : >> >>> Now that tesla has a useful cage in model s it could sell it to the >>> highest bidder who can promptly plunk a gasoline engine under the hood >>> or into the trunk and sell 10x cars than tesla would for all their >>> electric models combined. >> >> >> >> Doesn't work that way. Tesla makes all of its profit on gaming >> tax rules and federal/state credits. Gas engines would not >> generate the same tax largesse. >> >> http://www.forbes.com/sites/patrickm...ve-some-money/ >> >> >> Excerpt: >> "Tesla didn't generate a profit by selling sexy cars, but rather by >> selling sleazy emissions "credits," mandated by the state of >> California's electric vehicle requirements. The competition, >> like Honda, doesn't have a mass market plug-in to meet the mandate >> and therefore must buy the credits from Tesla, the only company >> that does. The bill for last quarter was $68 million. Absent this >> shakedown of potential car buyers, Tesla would have lost $57 million, >> or $11,400 per car." >> > Electrical vehicles should be called "remote emissions vehicles" and not > "zero emissions vehicles". +1 - exactly right. > > I make it a point to rev my engine constantly and then pull a wheelie > whenever I am next to a hybrid or electrical vehicle, so as to annoy the > smug driver. > -- fact check required |
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tesla model s engineering efforts reuse in the day and age of "platforms"
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> > My point was that tesla could sell the chassis of model s to > > > another car maker who won't have a problem installing a gasoline > > > engine in it > > > > not that simple. besides, there's no point - if you're going to make a > > car, you may as well just program the design into solidworks, and > > design/build virtually. the tesla "chassis" is built for a completely Xcept noone managed to break the root rigidity testing equipment with their car before model s. > > different load distribution to a conventional car. That might be. In theory. Just like in "theory" electric steering has better potential than hydraulics. Problem is few people have a clear idea how to map theory into practice successfully. Which means we are likely in for a loooooong wait to have caddy ATS grade steering feel in the [very] premium and (hopefully compact) "sports" sedan segment (or the return of bmw 3xx hydraulic steering feel) But I got carried away. Tesla seem to have proved that sn average idiot with a mechanical engineering degree at the prompt of solidworks is no different from a disinterested underpaid monkey at the prompt. Show my another chassis that can match 4+ tons riding on its roof without collapsing. Something that model s had no problem achieving which says something about the person who was operating solidworks one very milestone day. |
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