Service manual for 98 Camry: Haynes or Chilton?

If you know both, which is the better service manual (98 Camry) for a
beginner: Haynes or Chilton?

Haynes

On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 16:01:20 +0000, Ajanta wrote:

> If you know both, which is the better service manual (98 Camry) for a
> beginner: Haynes or Chilton?

I use both.

If you can swing the bucks, the Toyota manual is the best...

"hachiroku" > wrote in message
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> On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 16:01:20 +0000, Ajanta wrote:
>
>> If you know both, which is the better service manual (98 Camry) for a
>> beginner: Haynes or Chilton?
>
> I use both.
>
> If you can swing the bucks, the Toyota manual is the best...
>
Except that the Toyota manual is not for beginners... it assumes that the
user has at least basic automotive knowledge.
--
Ray O
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Ray O wrote:
> "hachiroku" > wrote in message
> news

> > If you can swing the bucks, the Toyota manual is the best...
> >
> Except that the Toyota manual is not for beginners... it
> assumes that the user has at least basic automotive knowledge.

Nonsense. Factory manuals are actually easier for beginners to
understand since they go into much more detail, especially Toyota's,
and don't substitute generic information for model-specific information
(compare wiring diagrams -- Factory and Mitchell will usually be
exactly right, Haynes and Chilton's only generally correct, which can
make them useless to beginners for some repairs). Factory manuals are
especially better for fuel, emissions, and computer systems and for
information about removing and installing hard-to-reach parts, such as
those inside the dashboard.

For people who don't know how to turn a wrench or change a tire, the
best books by far are John Muir Publishing's "How to Keep Your" <name
of car> "Alive" series, even if the person owns a totally different
car. However a manual written specifically for the person's car is
still needed.

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wrote:

> Ray O wrote:
> > "hachiroku" > wrote in message
> > news
>
> > > If you can swing the bucks, the Toyota manual is the best...
> > >
> > Except that the Toyota manual is not for beginners... it
> > assumes that the user has at least basic automotive knowledge.
>
> Nonsense. Factory manuals are actually easier for beginners to
> understand since they go into much more detail, especially Toyota's,
> and don't substitute generic information for model-specific information
> (compare wiring diagrams -- Factory and Mitchell will usually be
> exactly right, Haynes and Chilton's only generally correct, which can
> make them useless to beginners for some repairs). Factory manuals are
> especially better for fuel, emissions, and computer systems and for
> information about removing and installing hard-to-reach parts, such as
> those inside the dashboard.

This is the absolute truth folks... even the bad factory shop manuals
are head and shoulders above anything else out there.

Erik

Erik > wrote:

: This is the absolute truth folks... even the bad factory shop manuals
: are head and shoulders above anything else out there.

What is the price difference between two kinds for Toyota Camry?


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: Erik

> wrote in message
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>
> Ray O wrote:
>> "hachiroku" > wrote in message
>> news
>
>> > If you can swing the bucks, the Toyota manual is the best...
>> >
>> Except that the Toyota manual is not for beginners... it
>> assumes that the user has at least basic automotive knowledge.
>
> Nonsense. Factory manuals are actually easier for beginners to
> understand since they go into much more detail, especially Toyota's,
> and don't substitute generic information for model-specific information
> (compare wiring diagrams -- Factory and Mitchell will usually be
> exactly right, Haynes and Chilton's only generally correct, which can
> make them useless to beginners for some repairs). Factory manuals are
> especially better for fuel, emissions, and computer systems and for
> information about removing and installing hard-to-reach parts, such as
> those inside the dashboard.
>
> For people who don't know how to turn a wrench or change a tire, the
> best books by far are John Muir Publishing's "How to Keep Your" <name
> of car> "Alive" series, even if the person owns a totally different
> car. However a manual written specifically for the person's car is
> still needed.

When I worked the customer relations desk, we used to occasionally get
complaints that the factory manuals were hard to understand for a layman
after spending close to $200 for a full set, hence my warning. In my
experience, someone who needs a manual to change oil or brakes probably
should not be attempting fuel injection, emissions, or ECU diagnosis and
repair.
--
Ray O
correct the return address punctuation to reply

"Ray O" > wrote in message
...
>
> > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> >
> > Ray O wrote:
> >> "hachiroku" > wrote in message
> >> news
> >
> >> > If you can swing the bucks, the Toyota manual is the best...
> >> >
> >> Except that the Toyota manual is not for beginners... it
> >> assumes that the user has at least basic automotive knowledge.
> >
> > Nonsense. Factory manuals are actually easier for beginners to
> > understand since they go into much more detail, especially Toyota's,
> > and don't substitute generic information for model-specific information
> > (compare wiring diagrams -- Factory and Mitchell will usually be
> > exactly right, Haynes and Chilton's only generally correct, which can
> > make them useless to beginners for some repairs). Factory manuals are
> > especially better for fuel, emissions, and computer systems and for
> > information about removing and installing hard-to-reach parts, such as
> > those inside the dashboard.
> >
> > For people who don't know how to turn a wrench or change a tire, the
> > best books by far are John Muir Publishing's "How to Keep Your" <name
> > of car> "Alive" series, even if the person owns a totally different
> > car. However a manual written specifically for the person's car is
> > still needed.
>
> When I worked the customer relations desk, we used to occasionally get
> complaints that the factory manuals were hard to understand for a layman
> after spending close to $200 for a full set, hence my warning. In my
> experience, someone who needs a manual to change oil or brakes probably
> should not be attempting fuel injection, emissions, or ECU diagnosis and
> repair.
> --

In my experience, anybody that needs a manual to change oil should give
seriouis consideration to the Quick Change Joint down the street.

On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 23:32:53 -0700, do_not_spam_me wrote:

>
> Ray O wrote:
>> "hachiroku" > wrote in message
>> news
>
>> > If you can swing the bucks, the Toyota manual is the best...
>> >
>> Except that the Toyota manual is not for beginners... it
>> assumes that the user has at least basic automotive knowledge.
>
> Nonsense. Factory manuals are actually easier for beginners to
> understand since they go into much more detail, especially Toyota's,
> and don't substitute generic information for model-specific information
> (compare wiring diagrams -- Factory and Mitchell will usually be
> exactly right, Haynes and Chilton's only generally correct, which can
> make them useless to beginners for some repairs). Factory manuals are
> especially better for fuel, emissions, and computer systems and for
> information about removing and installing hard-to-reach parts, such as
> those inside the dashboard.
>
> For people who don't know how to turn a wrench or change a tire, the
> best books by far are John Muir Publishing's "How to Keep Your" <name
> of car> "Alive" series, even if the person owns a totally different
> car. However a manual written specifically for the person's car is
> still needed.

What about Bentley's?