I've had it with Chrysler

On Thu, 2 Dec 2004, TOM KAN PA wrote:

> In '86, I bought a new Plymouth Voyager mini-van. The carburetor on the
> Mitsibushi engine went bad. Everytime you left your foot off of the gas
> the engine would stall. Seems there was a part that had paraffin wax in
> it. The wax had flakes of metal in it. There was a manifold heat tube
> that ran to it. The heat would liquify the wax when the engine was hot.

Yes. Such a device is known as a "thermostat". There's one in your cooling
system that works exactly as you describe, except that the wax with metal
powder (not "flakes") is heated by coolant.

> The vehicle was well within the warranty period, but the carburetor wasn't
> covered.

Are you sure? That doesn't sound right.

DS

"TOM KAN PA" > wrote in message
...> Until I bought my 2001
PT Cruiser. Now this is a small gripe, the tape marks on
> the rear bumper. And from this group I find that it is common and the
> owners
> aren't thrilled with it.
> But, Chrylser will have nothing to do with it. Hell, Ford (and Chevy too,
> I
> believe) repainted hoods when there was a paint flaking problem. Chrysler
> could
> instill good faith with their customers and correct this.
>
>

tom, trade it in for a GT, or just get the bumper painted and bite the
bullet, I agree its wrong, but almost every manufacturer could care less
about you once the papers are signed.

"TOM KAN PA" > wrote in message
...> Until I bought my 2001
PT Cruiser. Now this is a small gripe, the tape marks on
> the rear bumper. And from this group I find that it is common and the
> owners
> aren't thrilled with it.
> But, Chrylser will have nothing to do with it. Hell, Ford (and Chevy too,
> I
> believe) repainted hoods when there was a paint flaking problem. Chrysler
> could
> instill good faith with their customers and correct this.
>
>

tom, trade it in for a GT, or just get the bumper painted and bite the
bullet, I agree its wrong, but almost every manufacturer could care less
about you once the papers are signed.

On Thu, 2 Dec 2004, Punch wrote:

> > PT Cruiser. Now this is a small gripe, the tape marks on
> > the rear bumper.

> tom, trade it in for a GT, or just get the bumper painted and bite the
> bullet, I agree its wrong, but almost every manufacturer could care less
> about you once the papers are signed.

....or install the aftermarket chrome bumpers. Saw a PT in my rearview
mirror a couple years ago that looked really good and I couldn't quite put
my finger on why until we both turned into the same parking lot and I had
a chance to walk around the car -- it was the chrome bumpers!

On Thu, 2 Dec 2004, Punch wrote:

> > PT Cruiser. Now this is a small gripe, the tape marks on
> > the rear bumper.

> tom, trade it in for a GT, or just get the bumper painted and bite the
> bullet, I agree its wrong, but almost every manufacturer could care less
> about you once the papers are signed.

....or install the aftermarket chrome bumpers. Saw a PT in my rearview
mirror a couple years ago that looked really good and I couldn't quite put
my finger on why until we both turned into the same parking lot and I had
a chance to walk around the car -- it was the chrome bumpers!

Almost all PT's from 01 and 02 had the tape marks, many, many people have
gotten them painted at Chrysler's expense, if your dealer won't, another
might. Check out the forums at:
http://www.ptcruiserlinks.com/.

Good luck
SRG

"TOM KAN PA" > wrote in message
...
> In '86, I bought a new Plymouth Voyager mini-van. The carburetor on the
> Mitsibushi engine went bad. Everytime you left your foot off of the gas
> the
> engine would stall. Seems there was a part that had paraffin wax in it.
> The wax
> had flakes of metal in it. There was a manifold heat tube that ran to it.
> The
> heat would liquify the wax when the engine was hot.
> Long story short, this was the part causing the engine to stall.
> Couldn't just replace the part, had to replace the entire $500-700
> carburetor.
> The vehicle was well within the warranty period, but the carburetor wasn't
> covered. I called Chrysler and they said that they didn't consider this a
> safety hazzard.
> What? You're going around a corner, you leave your foot off of the
> accelerator,
> the engine stalls and there goes the power steering and power brakes. You
> don't
> consider this a safety hazzard? His reply? Most people wouldn't drive a
> vehicle
> in this condition. Why not? You said it was safe. I spent the money for
> the
> carburetor and swore off Chrylser.
> Until I bought my 2001 PT Cruiser. Now this is a small gripe, the tape
> marks on
> the rear bumper. And from this group I find that it is common and the
> owners
> aren't thrilled with it.
> But, Chrylser will have nothing to do with it. Hell, Ford (and Chevy too,
> I
> believe) repainted hoods when there was a paint flaking problem. Chrysler
> could
> instill good faith with their customers and correct this.
>
>

Almost all PT's from 01 and 02 had the tape marks, many, many people have
gotten them painted at Chrysler's expense, if your dealer won't, another
might. Check out the forums at:
http://www.ptcruiserlinks.com/.

Good luck
SRG

"TOM KAN PA" > wrote in message
...
> In '86, I bought a new Plymouth Voyager mini-van. The carburetor on the
> Mitsibushi engine went bad. Everytime you left your foot off of the gas
> the
> engine would stall. Seems there was a part that had paraffin wax in it.
> The wax
> had flakes of metal in it. There was a manifold heat tube that ran to it.
> The
> heat would liquify the wax when the engine was hot.
> Long story short, this was the part causing the engine to stall.
> Couldn't just replace the part, had to replace the entire $500-700
> carburetor.
> The vehicle was well within the warranty period, but the carburetor wasn't
> covered. I called Chrysler and they said that they didn't consider this a
> safety hazzard.
> What? You're going around a corner, you leave your foot off of the
> accelerator,
> the engine stalls and there goes the power steering and power brakes. You
> don't
> consider this a safety hazzard? His reply? Most people wouldn't drive a
> vehicle
> in this condition. Why not? You said it was safe. I spent the money for
> the
> carburetor and swore off Chrylser.
> Until I bought my 2001 PT Cruiser. Now this is a small gripe, the tape
> marks on
> the rear bumper. And from this group I find that it is common and the
> owners
> aren't thrilled with it.
> But, Chrylser will have nothing to do with it. Hell, Ford (and Chevy too,
> I
> believe) repainted hoods when there was a paint flaking problem. Chrysler
> could
> instill good faith with their customers and correct this.
>
>

Daniel J. Stern wrote:

> On Thu, 2 Dec 2004, TOM KAN PA wrote:
>
>
>>In '86, I bought a new Plymouth Voyager mini-van. The carburetor on the
>>Mitsibushi engine went bad. Everytime you left your foot off of the gas
>>the engine would stall. Seems there was a part that had paraffin wax in
>>it. The wax had flakes of metal in it. There was a manifold heat tube
>>that ran to it. The heat would liquify the wax when the engine was hot.
>
>
> Yes. Such a device is known as a "thermostat". There's one in your cooling
> system that works exactly as you describe, except that the wax with metal
> powder (not "flakes") is heated by coolant.
>
>
>>The vehicle was well within the warranty period, but the carburetor wasn't
>>covered.
>
>
> Are you sure? That doesn't sound right.
>
> DS

Depends on what "warranty period." If it was during 3/36
bumper-to-bumper, then it should have been covered. But, for example,
the old 7/70 powertrain warranty didn't cover carburetors, alternators,
PS pumps, water pumps, or anything else bolted to the powertrain, but
not part OF the powertrain (usually defined as internally lubricated).
Rear-end gears? covered. Universal joint? Not covered. Connecting rod?
Covered. Throttle body or carburetor? not covered. Just gotta read the
warranty.

However, anyone who actually expected a Mitsubishi engine *or* a Mikuni
carburetor to last as long as the paper the warranty was written on
needs their head examined...

Daniel J. Stern wrote:

> On Thu, 2 Dec 2004, TOM KAN PA wrote:
>
>
>>In '86, I bought a new Plymouth Voyager mini-van. The carburetor on the
>>Mitsibushi engine went bad. Everytime you left your foot off of the gas
>>the engine would stall. Seems there was a part that had paraffin wax in
>>it. The wax had flakes of metal in it. There was a manifold heat tube
>>that ran to it. The heat would liquify the wax when the engine was hot.
>
>
> Yes. Such a device is known as a "thermostat". There's one in your cooling
> system that works exactly as you describe, except that the wax with metal
> powder (not "flakes") is heated by coolant.
>
>
>>The vehicle was well within the warranty period, but the carburetor wasn't
>>covered.
>
>
> Are you sure? That doesn't sound right.
>
> DS

Depends on what "warranty period." If it was during 3/36
bumper-to-bumper, then it should have been covered. But, for example,
the old 7/70 powertrain warranty didn't cover carburetors, alternators,
PS pumps, water pumps, or anything else bolted to the powertrain, but
not part OF the powertrain (usually defined as internally lubricated).
Rear-end gears? covered. Universal joint? Not covered. Connecting rod?
Covered. Throttle body or carburetor? not covered. Just gotta read the
warranty.

However, anyone who actually expected a Mitsubishi engine *or* a Mikuni
carburetor to last as long as the paper the warranty was written on
needs their head examined...

"TOM KAN PA" > wrote

<... the tape marks on the rear bumper. And from this group I find that it
is common and the owners
> aren't thrilled with it.
> But, Chrylser will have nothing to do with it.

You have marks on your rear bumper and you've had it with Chrysler? Man, you
really need to get out more.