I've had it with Chrysler

In '86, I bought a new Plymouth Voyager mini-van. The carburetor on the
Mitsibushi engine went bad. Everytime you left your foot off of the gas the
engine would stall. Seems there was a part that had paraffin wax in it. The wax
had flakes of metal in it. There was a manifold heat tube that ran to it. The
heat would liquify the wax when the engine was hot.
Long story short, this was the part causing the engine to stall.
Couldn't just replace the part, had to replace the entire $500-700 carburetor.
The vehicle was well within the warranty period, but the carburetor wasn't
covered. I called Chrysler and they said that they didn't consider this a
safety hazzard.
What? You're going around a corner, you leave your foot off of the accelerator,
the engine stalls and there goes the power steering and power brakes. You don't
consider this a safety hazzard? His reply? Most people wouldn't drive a vehicle
in this condition. Why not? You said it was safe. I spent the money for the
carburetor and swore off Chrylser.
Until I bought my 2001 PT Cruiser. Now this is a small gripe, the tape marks on
the rear bumper. And from this group I find that it is common and the owners
aren't thrilled with it.
But, Chrylser will have nothing to do with it. Hell, Ford (and Chevy too, I
believe) repainted hoods when there was a paint flaking problem. Chrysler could
instill good faith with their customers and correct this.

I've never noticed a bumper problem on any PTCruiser I've seen. How about
posting a picture so we can see what you are griping about.


"TOM KAN PA" > wrote in message
...
> In '86, I bought a new Plymouth Voyager mini-van. The carburetor on the
> Mitsibushi engine went bad. Everytime you left your foot off of the gas
> the
> engine would stall. Seems there was a part that had paraffin wax in it.
> The wax
> had flakes of metal in it. There was a manifold heat tube that ran to it.
> The
> heat would liquify the wax when the engine was hot.
> Long story short, this was the part causing the engine to stall.
> Couldn't just replace the part, had to replace the entire $500-700
> carburetor.
> The vehicle was well within the warranty period, but the carburetor wasn't
> covered. I called Chrysler and they said that they didn't consider this a
> safety hazzard.
> What? You're going around a corner, you leave your foot off of the
> accelerator,
> the engine stalls and there goes the power steering and power brakes. You
> don't
> consider this a safety hazzard? His reply? Most people wouldn't drive a
> vehicle
> in this condition. Why not? You said it was safe. I spent the money for
> the
> carburetor and swore off Chrylser.
> Until I bought my 2001 PT Cruiser. Now this is a small gripe, the tape
> marks on
> the rear bumper. And from this group I find that it is common and the
> owners
> aren't thrilled with it.
> But, Chrylser will have nothing to do with it. Hell, Ford (and Chevy too,
> I
> believe) repainted hoods when there was a paint flaking problem. Chrysler
> could
> instill good faith with their customers and correct this.
>
>

I've never noticed a bumper problem on any PTCruiser I've seen. How about
posting a picture so we can see what you are griping about.


"TOM KAN PA" > wrote in message
...
> In '86, I bought a new Plymouth Voyager mini-van. The carburetor on the
> Mitsibushi engine went bad. Everytime you left your foot off of the gas
> the
> engine would stall. Seems there was a part that had paraffin wax in it.
> The wax
> had flakes of metal in it. There was a manifold heat tube that ran to it.
> The
> heat would liquify the wax when the engine was hot.
> Long story short, this was the part causing the engine to stall.
> Couldn't just replace the part, had to replace the entire $500-700
> carburetor.
> The vehicle was well within the warranty period, but the carburetor wasn't
> covered. I called Chrysler and they said that they didn't consider this a
> safety hazzard.
> What? You're going around a corner, you leave your foot off of the
> accelerator,
> the engine stalls and there goes the power steering and power brakes. You
> don't
> consider this a safety hazzard? His reply? Most people wouldn't drive a
> vehicle
> in this condition. Why not? You said it was safe. I spent the money for
> the
> carburetor and swore off Chrylser.
> Until I bought my 2001 PT Cruiser. Now this is a small gripe, the tape
> marks on
> the rear bumper. And from this group I find that it is common and the
> owners
> aren't thrilled with it.
> But, Chrylser will have nothing to do with it. Hell, Ford (and Chevy too,
> I
> believe) repainted hoods when there was a paint flaking problem. Chrysler
> could
> instill good faith with their customers and correct this.
>
>

And Ford and Gm only did it after they lost a major lawsuit, and ordered to
by the government!
"TOM KAN PA" > wrote in message
...
> In '86, I bought a new Plymouth Voyager mini-van. The carburetor on the
> Mitsibushi engine went bad. Everytime you left your foot off of the gas
the
> engine would stall. Seems there was a part that had paraffin wax in it.
The wax
> had flakes of metal in it. There was a manifold heat tube that ran to it.
The
> heat would liquify the wax when the engine was hot.
> Long story short, this was the part causing the engine to stall.
> Couldn't just replace the part, had to replace the entire $500-700
carburetor.
> The vehicle was well within the warranty period, but the carburetor wasn't
> covered. I called Chrysler and they said that they didn't consider this a
> safety hazzard.
> What? You're going around a corner, you leave your foot off of the
accelerator,
> the engine stalls and there goes the power steering and power brakes. You
don't
> consider this a safety hazzard? His reply? Most people wouldn't drive a
vehicle
> in this condition. Why not? You said it was safe. I spent the money for
the
> carburetor and swore off Chrylser.
> Until I bought my 2001 PT Cruiser. Now this is a small gripe, the tape
marks on
> the rear bumper. And from this group I find that it is common and the
owners
> aren't thrilled with it.
> But, Chrylser will have nothing to do with it. Hell, Ford (and Chevy too,
I
> believe) repainted hoods when there was a paint flaking problem. Chrysler
could
> instill good faith with their customers and correct this.
>
>

And Ford and Gm only did it after they lost a major lawsuit, and ordered to
by the government!
"TOM KAN PA" > wrote in message
...
> In '86, I bought a new Plymouth Voyager mini-van. The carburetor on the
> Mitsibushi engine went bad. Everytime you left your foot off of the gas
the
> engine would stall. Seems there was a part that had paraffin wax in it.
The wax
> had flakes of metal in it. There was a manifold heat tube that ran to it.
The
> heat would liquify the wax when the engine was hot.
> Long story short, this was the part causing the engine to stall.
> Couldn't just replace the part, had to replace the entire $500-700
carburetor.
> The vehicle was well within the warranty period, but the carburetor wasn't
> covered. I called Chrysler and they said that they didn't consider this a
> safety hazzard.
> What? You're going around a corner, you leave your foot off of the
accelerator,
> the engine stalls and there goes the power steering and power brakes. You
don't
> consider this a safety hazzard? His reply? Most people wouldn't drive a
vehicle
> in this condition. Why not? You said it was safe. I spent the money for
the
> carburetor and swore off Chrylser.
> Until I bought my 2001 PT Cruiser. Now this is a small gripe, the tape
marks on
> the rear bumper. And from this group I find that it is common and the
owners
> aren't thrilled with it.
> But, Chrylser will have nothing to do with it. Hell, Ford (and Chevy too,
I
> believe) repainted hoods when there was a paint flaking problem. Chrysler
could
> instill good faith with their customers and correct this.
>
>

yup thats a safety factor also, the tape/ paint flakes could get in someones
eye as they are driving and cause loss of sight, better contact your local
chrysler rep again......get real
"TOM KAN PA" > wrote in message
...
> In '86, I bought a new Plymouth Voyager mini-van. The carburetor on the
> Mitsibushi engine went bad. Everytime you left your foot off of the gas
the
> engine would stall. Seems there was a part that had paraffin wax in it.
The wax
> had flakes of metal in it. There was a manifold heat tube that ran to it.
The
> heat would liquify the wax when the engine was hot.
> Long story short, this was the part causing the engine to stall.
> Couldn't just replace the part, had to replace the entire $500-700
carburetor.
> The vehicle was well within the warranty period, but the carburetor wasn't
> covered. I called Chrysler and they said that they didn't consider this a
> safety hazzard.
> What? You're going around a corner, you leave your foot off of the
accelerator,
> the engine stalls and there goes the power steering and power brakes. You
don't
> consider this a safety hazzard? His reply? Most people wouldn't drive a
vehicle
> in this condition. Why not? You said it was safe. I spent the money for
the
> carburetor and swore off Chrylser.
> Until I bought my 2001 PT Cruiser. Now this is a small gripe, the tape
marks on
> the rear bumper. And from this group I find that it is common and the
owners
> aren't thrilled with it.
> But, Chrylser will have nothing to do with it. Hell, Ford (and Chevy too,
I
> believe) repainted hoods when there was a paint flaking problem. Chrysler
could
> instill good faith with their customers and correct this.
>
>

yup thats a safety factor also, the tape/ paint flakes could get in someones
eye as they are driving and cause loss of sight, better contact your local
chrysler rep again......get real
"TOM KAN PA" > wrote in message
...
> In '86, I bought a new Plymouth Voyager mini-van. The carburetor on the
> Mitsibushi engine went bad. Everytime you left your foot off of the gas
the
> engine would stall. Seems there was a part that had paraffin wax in it.
The wax
> had flakes of metal in it. There was a manifold heat tube that ran to it.
The
> heat would liquify the wax when the engine was hot.
> Long story short, this was the part causing the engine to stall.
> Couldn't just replace the part, had to replace the entire $500-700
carburetor.
> The vehicle was well within the warranty period, but the carburetor wasn't
> covered. I called Chrysler and they said that they didn't consider this a
> safety hazzard.
> What? You're going around a corner, you leave your foot off of the
accelerator,
> the engine stalls and there goes the power steering and power brakes. You
don't
> consider this a safety hazzard? His reply? Most people wouldn't drive a
vehicle
> in this condition. Why not? You said it was safe. I spent the money for
the
> carburetor and swore off Chrylser.
> Until I bought my 2001 PT Cruiser. Now this is a small gripe, the tape
marks on
> the rear bumper. And from this group I find that it is common and the
owners
> aren't thrilled with it.
> But, Chrylser will have nothing to do with it. Hell, Ford (and Chevy too,
I
> believe) repainted hoods when there was a paint flaking problem. Chrysler
could
> instill good faith with their customers and correct this.
>
>

On 2-Dec-2004, "Art" > wrote:

> I've never noticed a bumper problem on any PTCruiser I've seen. How about
>
> posting a picture so we can see what you are griping about.

It's a well known problem; just look at the ends of the bumpers (rear
especially) of early PTs. Mine was built in June 2000 and has the problem,
so at least the first 6 months or so of production is effected.

The plastic has discolored where the tape secured protective covering during
shipping; the plastic is lighter where the tape's adhesive contacted the
bumper.

On 2-Dec-2004, "Art" > wrote:

> I've never noticed a bumper problem on any PTCruiser I've seen. How about
>
> posting a picture so we can see what you are griping about.

It's a well known problem; just look at the ends of the bumpers (rear
especially) of early PTs. Mine was built in June 2000 and has the problem,
so at least the first 6 months or so of production is effected.

The plastic has discolored where the tape secured protective covering during
shipping; the plastic is lighter where the tape's adhesive contacted the
bumper.

On Thu, 2 Dec 2004, TOM KAN PA wrote:

> In '86, I bought a new Plymouth Voyager mini-van. The carburetor on the
> Mitsibushi engine went bad. Everytime you left your foot off of the gas
> the engine would stall. Seems there was a part that had paraffin wax in
> it. The wax had flakes of metal in it. There was a manifold heat tube
> that ran to it. The heat would liquify the wax when the engine was hot.

Yes. Such a device is known as a "thermostat". There's one in your cooling
system that works exactly as you describe, except that the wax with metal
powder (not "flakes") is heated by coolant.

> The vehicle was well within the warranty period, but the carburetor wasn't
> covered.

Are you sure? That doesn't sound right.

DS