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Old June 9th 04, 05:15 AM
Mark Gonzales
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"Philip Nasadowski" > wrote in message
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> In article >,
> "Mark Gonzales" > wrote:
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> > And I hear that Honda’s 3.5L V6 is complete garbage (but itz got V-TECH,
> > yo!) and the auto transmission is a piece of crap (my brother’s ’02

Odyssey
> > tranny has been recalled)

>
> Their 6's aren't horrid, but IMHO, none of the Japanese makers have
> gotten V motors down as well as Detroit. 4's? Yeah, they're a bit
> better. IMHO, for a 4, it's Japan, inline 6, it's europe, V 6 or 8?
> Detroit. They've been squirting them out forever.


I was actually kidding about the Honda V6 being garbage - just seeing if
anyone was paying attention, seeing how Saturn is using this same engine /
tranny in the '04+ V6 Vue. But the rest of my post was more-or-less serious.
;-) I don't really know if the Honda 5-speed auto-tranny is crap, but my
brother did get a recall on his '02 Odyssey.

And I agree 100% with your take on engines by countries, and to add to
that - domestic trucks rule and always have!


> Honda's automatics don't excite me. They're also non planetary, which
> is lame. If you've ever seen how GM's 4L60 gets 3 speeds + overdrive
> from 2 simple planetaries, it's quite something...


Domestic V6s and trannys have always been smooth to me and I rent allot of
cars, from the 3.4L Alero (had one for 2 weeks just 3 weeks ago) to the
Impala and Grand Prix GT. The 3800 is always a pleasure, as well as any
other V6 that might be under those hoods. Trannys are always silky smooth.

I jumped in this thread because I thought Honda was being a little overly
criticized with some of the comments. No acceleration and made for
midgets??? Power and size are just fine for what it is IMO, and too many
people have forgotten what the Civic is. It's the current inconsistent build
quality that has me dissing it. Ok, a little more power might be good as
long as mileage isn't sacrificed. My problem with the Civic is the same
problem I have with some current Saturns. TOO MUCH FREGGIN' WEIGHT! My
favorite Hondas and Saturns are the late '80s CRX Si's and 1st gen SC/SC2s.
Hondas and Saturns use to be light and tossable but I guess those days are
lone gone <sigh>.
--


Mark
'99 Civic Si


 




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