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Old December 2nd 04, 09:59 AM
tricky
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Hello all

I have a 78 Bay Bus. Trying to find the gears is like stirring porridge !
I think I have to change the linkages but was wondering how much of a
big job this is ?
Anyone done it ? How long should it take ?

I have a belly pan on.

Cheers
Rich

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Old December 2nd 04, 02:57 PM
Kafertoys
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>I have a 78 Bay Bus. Trying to find the gears is like stirring porridge !
>I think I have to change the linkages but was wondering how much of a
>big job this is ?
>Anyone done it ? How long should it take ?


Rich What you need to do is look at your shifter bushings, hope they are the
only things that need to be replaced.
There is one at the back connecting shift rod to tranny and a bushing up front,
this one you have to remove your belly pan to get to.
I suggest getting the haynes manual for you bus it would be very helpful.
This is a job that you should beable to do in a hour or so depending on your
mechanical skill.
Also check out Type2.com there are people there that can help.

Mario
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Old December 3rd 04, 02:51 AM
Busahaulic
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"tricky" > wrote in message
...
> Hello all
>
> I have a 78 Bay Bus. Trying to find the gears is like stirring porridge !
> I think I have to change the linkages but was wondering how much of a
> big job this is ?
> Anyone done it ? How long should it take ?
>
> I have a belly pan on.
>
> Cheers
> Rich
>

The bushings Mario refers to are only two of several. The one that is likely
the cause of your fruitless stirring is the one at the very front, under the
shift lever, basically. The bottom end of the lever fits into a hole in the
top of the shift rod. The shift rod runs (in two pieces) from the shift
lever to the nosecone of the transmission. Just ahead of the hole that the
shift lever fits into is the front end of the rod and its forward support,
the front shiftrod bushing. There were two types of bushings used there, but
yours probably looks like a large nylon grommet. Like a grommet, it fits
within a hole in a sheetmetal panel and has a large flange on each side to
hold it in place. Chances are, it has split in two or almost so, allowing
the front end of the rod to swim around in a considerably larger hole.

The front section of shift rod is secured to the aft section just about two
feet back from the front end. There is a set screw (probably a 10mm head on
it) that secures the two pieces together. You will need to remove the shift
lever from above (the two bolts you can see - one ahead of and one behind
the lever, securing its flange to the floorboard.) Watch what comes up and
in what order - also wrap a rag around it right away so the little alignment
pin with spring doesn't drop out. There is a "pattern plate" that stays on
the floorboard and does not get turned this way and that, forgetting which
way it's supposed to go! With the shift lever removed, and the two sections
of rod seperated, you will be able to remove the front section and replace
the bushing.

Take the front rod and the shift lever in hand and put them together out in
the open so you can see how the spring-loaded pin needs to align and how it
all works. You'll need to refer to the adjustment section in a manual to
set it all back in properly.

At the back end of the shift rod is the coupler to the shift shaft sticking
out the front of the tranny. It's like a small universal joint (kinda) but
very specific to its duties. They wear out and sometimes fall apart. This
may need replacing, but the "stirring" is most likely front bushing. Proper
fix is to replace all the bushings, but that requires pulling the engine and
tranny and more patience than most monestaries!

I probably have some pix, if you need some reference, e-mail me (remove the
obvious)


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Old December 3rd 04, 07:33 AM
Mac
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"Busahaulic" > wrote in message
...
>
> "tricky" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Hello all
>>
>> I have a 78 Bay Bus. Trying to find the gears is like stirring porridge
>> !
>> I think I have to change the linkages but was wondering how much of a
>> big job this is ?
>> Anyone done it ? How long should it take ?
>>
>> I have a belly pan on.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Rich
>>

> The bushings Mario refers to are only two of several. The one that is
> likely
> the cause of your fruitless stirring is the one at the very front, under
> the
> shift lever, basically. The bottom end of the lever fits into a hole in
> the
> top of the shift rod. The shift rod runs (in two pieces) from the shift
> lever to the nosecone of the transmission. Just ahead of the hole that the
> shift lever fits into is the front end of the rod and its forward support,
> the front shiftrod bushing. There were two types of bushings used there,
> but
> yours probably looks like a large nylon grommet. Like a grommet, it fits
> within a hole in a sheetmetal panel and has a large flange on each side to
> hold it in place. Chances are, it has split in two or almost so, allowing
> the front end of the rod to swim around in a considerably larger hole.
>
> The front section of shift rod is secured to the aft section just about
> two
> feet back from the front end. There is a set screw (probably a 10mm head
> on
> it) that secures the two pieces together. You will need to remove the
> shift
> lever from above (the two bolts you can see - one ahead of and one behind
> the lever, securing its flange to the floorboard.) Watch what comes up and
> in what order - also wrap a rag around it right away so the little
> alignment
> pin with spring doesn't drop out. There is a "pattern plate" that stays on
> the floorboard and does not get turned this way and that, forgetting which
> way it's supposed to go! With the shift lever removed, and the two
> sections
> of rod seperated, you will be able to remove the front section and replace
> the bushing.
>
> Take the front rod and the shift lever in hand and put them together out
> in
> the open so you can see how the spring-loaded pin needs to align and how
> it
> all works. You'll need to refer to the adjustment section in a manual to
> set it all back in properly.
>
> At the back end of the shift rod is the coupler to the shift shaft
> sticking
> out the front of the tranny. It's like a small universal joint (kinda) but
> very specific to its duties. They wear out and sometimes fall apart. This
> may need replacing, but the "stirring" is most likely front bushing.
> Proper
> fix is to replace all the bushings, but that requires pulling the engine
> and
> tranny and more patience than most monestaries!
>
> I probably have some pix, if you need some reference, e-mail me (remove
> the
> obvious)
>
>


Are the earlier type 2, type one motored, busses the same shifting setup?
Because if it is I'm going to save your explaination in a file for when I
install the bushing kit I bought for my 70' Bus.

Mac


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Old December 3rd 04, 10:52 AM
tricky
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My 68 bus has a type 1 and my 78 bus has a type 4

Rich


Mac wrote:
> "Busahaulic" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>"tricky" > wrote in message
...
>>
>>>Hello all
>>>
>>>I have a 78 Bay Bus. Trying to find the gears is like stirring porridge
>>>!
>>>I think I have to change the linkages but was wondering how much of a
>>>big job this is ?
>>>Anyone done it ? How long should it take ?
>>>
>>>I have a belly pan on.
>>>
>>>Cheers
>>>Rich
>>>

>>
>>The bushings Mario refers to are only two of several. The one that is
>>likely
>>the cause of your fruitless stirring is the one at the very front, under
>>the
>>shift lever, basically. The bottom end of the lever fits into a hole in
>>the
>>top of the shift rod. The shift rod runs (in two pieces) from the shift
>>lever to the nosecone of the transmission. Just ahead of the hole that the
>>shift lever fits into is the front end of the rod and its forward support,
>>the front shiftrod bushing. There were two types of bushings used there,
>>but
>>yours probably looks like a large nylon grommet. Like a grommet, it fits
>>within a hole in a sheetmetal panel and has a large flange on each side to
>>hold it in place. Chances are, it has split in two or almost so, allowing
>>the front end of the rod to swim around in a considerably larger hole.
>>
>>The front section of shift rod is secured to the aft section just about
>>two
>>feet back from the front end. There is a set screw (probably a 10mm head
>>on
>>it) that secures the two pieces together. You will need to remove the
>>shift
>>lever from above (the two bolts you can see - one ahead of and one behind
>>the lever, securing its flange to the floorboard.) Watch what comes up and
>>in what order - also wrap a rag around it right away so the little
>>alignment
>>pin with spring doesn't drop out. There is a "pattern plate" that stays on
>>the floorboard and does not get turned this way and that, forgetting which
>>way it's supposed to go! With the shift lever removed, and the two
>>sections
>>of rod seperated, you will be able to remove the front section and replace
>>the bushing.
>>
>>Take the front rod and the shift lever in hand and put them together out
>>in
>>the open so you can see how the spring-loaded pin needs to align and how
>>it
>>all works. You'll need to refer to the adjustment section in a manual to
>>set it all back in properly.
>>
>>At the back end of the shift rod is the coupler to the shift shaft
>>sticking
>>out the front of the tranny. It's like a small universal joint (kinda) but
>>very specific to its duties. They wear out and sometimes fall apart. This
>>may need replacing, but the "stirring" is most likely front bushing.
>>Proper
>>fix is to replace all the bushings, but that requires pulling the engine
>>and
>>tranny and more patience than most monestaries!
>>
>>I probably have some pix, if you need some reference, e-mail me (remove
>>the
>>obvious)
>>
>>

>
>
> Are the earlier type 2, type one motored, busses the same shifting setup?
> Because if it is I'm going to save your explaination in a file for when I
> install the bushing kit I bought for my 70' Bus.
>
> Mac
>
>


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Old December 4th 04, 02:36 AM
Busahaulic
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> Are the earlier type 2, type one motored, busses the same shifting setup?
> Because if it is I'm going to save your explaination in a file for when I
> install the bushing kit I bought for my 70' Bus.
>
> Mac
>
>

I believe they are close enough that everything pertains. The front bushing
may be a different style. When you replace the bushings that are inside the
shift rod tube (housing) it isn't a fun thing at all. The most recent time I
did this was last spring and I found it to be much easier now that all my
heater tube stuff is gone out of the way. The problem with the bushings that
attach to the shift rod (besides having to pull the engine and tranny to
replace them) is that they have little alignment tabs on their inside
surfaces that fit into holes on the shift rod outer surface and those
suckers simply will not / can not / do not align. These "bushings" are
shaped like badminton shuttlecocks (birdies) and their purpose is to keep
that shift rod centered in the housing and provide a smooth riding surface
for the inch or so that the rod moves fore and aft. If I ever have another
bus and get to the point of pulling the rod out and the bushings are not
busted, they're going right back in with a little grease on them! I refuse
to play that game again unless forced to!

I'd love for someone to point out the simple, straightforward way to install
those things and prove me to be stupid and ignorant - I won't argue the
point at all, if a solution is posted! I'm ready to replace the housing with
a couple bronze bushed pillow blocks if ever I need to do it again!

Bob H. - You did something unique with yours, as I recall, what did you do?

Oh BTW - You still need to read that adjustment part when re-installing the
shift lever. Maybe it's posted at Type2.com - they have a lot of good info
there.
-Bah


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Old December 14th 04, 10:54 PM
tricky
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Thanks for all your help.

I will look at it when it gets a bit warmer !

Rich

tricky wrote:
> Hello all
>
> I have a 78 Bay Bus. Trying to find the gears is like stirring porridge !
> I think I have to change the linkages but was wondering how much of a
> big job this is ?
> Anyone done it ? How long should it take ?
>
> I have a belly pan on.
>
> Cheers
> Rich
>

 




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