Sebring---- SUDDEN ACCELERATION

In article >,
"maxpower" > wrote:

> OMG are you such the idiot you are, Do you have any common sense what so
> ever??

Yes I do, which is why I ask; what does 4 model years of Jeep
have to do with this 2002 Chrysler Sebring?

I'll start with the simple stuff.

What parts interchange between the Jeeps mentioned and the
Sebring in the subject line? (besides the oil filter)

YOU GOT IT!!!!
NOW FOR YOUR NEXT ISSURE MR STERN< DO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT?

Nope, it didn't happen that way. Your wife hit the gas without knowing it,
period. I know it's less embarrassing and less expensive for her to blame
it on the car, but cars do not behave so much as they are behaved upon.

YOUR GOING TO TELL THIS OP THAT HIS WIFE IS CRAZY CAUSE THE CRUSIE SERVOR
COUDLNT DO THIS??

Have you ever heard of Occam's Razor? It's a scientific principle that
says the simplest explanation is usually the correct one. Now, which is
simpler? A or B?

A: Your wife stepped on the wrong pedal.

B: The cruise control on/off switch, the cruise control "set" switch, the
brake light and cruise-kill switch, and the SBEC "no cruise control under
30MPH, and only in the Forward direction" programming all failed at the
same time, the cruise control engaged and pulled the throttle wide open.
LETS HEAR ANOTHER LAME ANSWER, or is your head inside cudas now?? loose the
ego problem and stop harping, stop shooting your mouth off


> My 1991 Dodge Monaco used to do that. The cruise control would just all of
a
> sudden make the car accelerate.

Not below 30 mph with your foot on the brake and the trans in "Reverse",
it wouldn't....ANOTHER LAME STUPID REPLY BY THE BULL****TER HIMSELF< IN
BLACK AND WHITE

"Daniel J. Stern" > wrote in message
.umich.edu...
> On Sat, 22 Jan 2005, aarcuda69062 wrote, evidently in response to
> "maxpower":
>
> > WRT spark plugs, you are actually claiming that if I install Autolite,
> > NGK, AC Delco or some brand other than Champion spark plugs in a 1985
> > ChryCo vehicle with a turbo charger, start the engine, disconnect the
> > coolant sensor and check the ignition timing with a stroboscopic timing
> > light, I'll see different timing setting between the different brands of
> > spark plugs?
>
> Believe it or don't, he actually "thinks" this. Below are his idiotic,
> stupid, ignorant and baseless claims on the topic:
>
> First this:
>
> Newsgroups: rec.autos.makers.chrysler
> From: "damnnickname" >
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 07:04:13 -0500
> Subject: 85 turbo - coughs on heavy accel load
>
> DO NOT USE PLATINUM PLUGS OR BOSH PLUGS< USE ONLY CHAMPION< i belive they
> were rn12yc, some plugs will mess with the timing of the power module and
> cause all kinds of idle problems. Almost like it is searching because the
> timing is flucuating so bad
>
> ===
>
> When called on his idiocy, he responded as followed:
>
> Newsgroups: rec.autos.makers.chrysler
> From: "maxpower" >
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:05:13 -0500
> Subject: 85 turbo - coughs on heavy accel load
>
> Idle was controlled by the timing back then, With autolite/bosh and some
> other plugs.I say use Champion because I no that was the only one that I
> know didnt create a problem. The Power Module saw the resistors in them
> and caused the timing to jump all over, causing extreme idle problems
> hesitation problems and more I would bet you are one of those guys that
> put everypart on the car untill given up and told your cust to take it to
> the dealer... Is that so? The next time you get one of these vehicles, put
> a timing lite on it and see for youself, but then again I bet you dont
> know how to use one and here once again, you have no clue what you are
> talking about
>
> ====
>
> So, to answer your question: Yes. In what passes for the brain between
> maxpower's ears, the 1985 Chrysler 2-module engine management system was
> so advanced that it actually knew the difference between Champion's 10kohm
> spark plug resistors and Autolite's 10kohm spark plug resistors and
> Bosch's 10kohm spark plug resistors, and if it saw anything other than
> Champion spark plugs, it went wild 'n' crazy and threw a timing disco
> party. Amazing feats o' magic, eh?
>
> -DS

maxpower wrote:

> Feb. 27 (Bloomberg) -- Ford Motor Co., the world's second- largest
> automaker, settled a sudden-acceleration lawsuit today brought by a
> Cleveland minister who was left in a coma after his 1987 Crown Victoria
> crashed into a neighbor's house.
>
> Attorneys for Leon Manigault, 77, said a defect in his car's electronic
> system caused it to speed up uncontrollably after he put it in gear. Ford
> and Manigault's family reached a confidential settlement today just before
> closing arguments were scheduled in the trial in state court in Cleveland.

Yes, I'd definitely think that an attorney would be an authority on
electronic systems. Major corporations settle law suits all of the time
whether they feel they are at fault or not. The decision is based on
economics, not technical reality. The Crown Vic may well have a defect,
but this hardly establishes that.


Matt

>>. The hysterical media reports nearly ruined Audi, though
OR WAS IT POSSIBLE THERE WAS A PROBLEM

>> Your wife stepped on the wrong pedal
WERE YOU IN HER CAR DOWN BY HER FEET TO SEE THIS MR STERN?? HOW DO YOU BASE
YOUR FINDINGS MR STERN?

>>t below 30 mph with your foot on the brake and the trans in "Reverse",
it wouldn't
IS THIS REALLY TRUE< I WANT TO HEAR IT ONE MORE TIME PLEASE

Ah, right, here we go with the "sudden, full, completely unintended
activation of the cruise control despite the car being in reverse, below
the threshhold speed AND the brakes allegedly applied" theory. THAT IS
CORRECT

Have you ever heard of Occam's Razor? It's a scientific principle that
says the simplest explanation is usually the correct one. Now, which is
simpler? A or B?AND WE WILL LET MR STERN ANSWER THIS ONE, PICK YOUR ANSWER
PAL






Believe it or don't, he actually "thinks" this. Above are his idiotic,
stupid, ignorant and baseless claims on the topic:


"Daniel J. Stern" > wrote in message
.umich.edu...
> On Fri, 21 Jan 2005, Alex Rodriguez wrote:
>
> > Yes. This happened to Audi's a while back. The government did a lot of
> > reasearch. In all instances the brake system was still functioning
> > properly. In all instances the drivers states they were stepping on the
> > brakes as hard as they could and the car kept going. The government
came
> > to the conclusion that this was a case of pedal mis-application. That
> > means that driver was stepping on the wrong pedal.
>
> Yup. The hysterical media reports nearly ruined Audi, though.

In article >,
"maxpower" > wrote:

> >Have you ever heard of Occam's Razor? It's a scientific principle that
> >says the simplest explanation is usually the correct one. Now, which is
> >simpler? A or B?
>
> >A: Your wife stepped on the wrong pedal.
>
> >B: The cruise control on/off switch, the cruise control "set" switch, the
> >brake light and cruise-kill switch, and the SBEC "no cruise control under
> >30MPH, and only in the Forward direction" programming all failed at the
> >same time, the cruise control engaged and pulled the throttle wide open.
>
>
> >The service department that you work in must have to give away an
> >awful lot of free service work if you can't tell the difference
> >between a 2002 Chrysler Sebring with a 3.0 liter engine and
> >1993-96 Jeep Cherokees and Grand Cherokees with 5.2 liter engines.
>
> HEY GEAR HEAD what does this have to do with what kind of car it is, are you
> really that stupid or do you just pretend to be?

Stupid would be you. What else would explain your lack of ability
to operate a newsreader, YOUR newsreader.
You have posts from multiple authors attributed to me, that makes
you a king sized bozo and a person not to be taken seriously.

Now, why do you suppose the problem with Jeep cruise controls
stops at MY 1996?
What makes you think that just because there was a problem with
Jeep cruise controls in MY 1993, 94, 95 and 96, there is a
problem with 2002 Chrysler Sebring cruise controls?

> Lets talk gearhead.. give me a phone number or your yahoo id so i can im
> you. since obiviously you wish to speak more and more and become close
> friends.

I have plenty of friends, even the more stupid ones are much
smarter than you.

> I was explaining this is possible that the accident could be
> related to the cruise control servo.

And it is possible that it isn't related to the cruise control,
but citing incidences of ten year old Jeeps and 18 year old Fords
as any way related is just plain ignorant.
Camshaft failures were real common on 70s era Chevrolets and
Oldsmobiles, maybe you should warn the OP about -that- also.
Something like;
ATTENTION
Certain Chevrolet and Oldsmobile engines produced in the 1970s
suffered from premature camshaft wear, since you own a 2002
Chrysler Sebring, you should be aware that there is a possibility
of premature camshaft wear based upon evidence obtained when
reviewing failure records of the previously mentioned General
Motors divisions.


> Sorry if i left out the finer anal
> details. But that is why you are here to pick them up correct .

It's got nothing to do with the "details" it has a lot to do with
what should be obvious, like the make and model year.

Ok, back to how I use my newsgroup and how I Post. And my spelling!! I cant
talk to a child as yourself
"aarcuda69062" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "maxpower" > wrote:
>
> > >Have you ever heard of Occam's Razor? It's a scientific principle that
> > >says the simplest explanation is usually the correct one. Now, which is
> > >simpler? A or B?
> >
> > >A: Your wife stepped on the wrong pedal.
> >
> > >B: The cruise control on/off switch, the cruise control "set" switch,
the
> > >brake light and cruise-kill switch, and the SBEC "no cruise control
under
> > >30MPH, and only in the Forward direction" programming all failed at the
> > >same time, the cruise control engaged and pulled the throttle wide
open.
> >
> >
> > >The service department that you work in must have to give away an
> > >awful lot of free service work if you can't tell the difference
> > >between a 2002 Chrysler Sebring with a 3.0 liter engine and
> > >1993-96 Jeep Cherokees and Grand Cherokees with 5.2 liter engines.
> >
> > HEY GEAR HEAD what does this have to do with what kind of car it is, are
you
> > really that stupid or do you just pretend to be?
>
> Stupid would be you. What else would explain your lack of ability
> to operate a newsreader, YOUR newsreader.
> You have posts from multiple authors attributed to me, that makes
> you a king sized bozo and a person not to be taken seriously.
>
> Now, why do you suppose the problem with Jeep cruise controls
> stops at MY 1996?
> What makes you think that just because there was a problem with
> Jeep cruise controls in MY 1993, 94, 95 and 96, there is a
> problem with 2002 Chrysler Sebring cruise controls?
>
> > Lets talk gearhead.. give me a phone number or your yahoo id so i can im
> > you. since obiviously you wish to speak more and more and become close
> > friends.
>
> I have plenty of friends, even the more stupid ones are much
> smarter than you.
>
> > I was explaining this is possible that the accident could be
> > related to the cruise control servo.
>
> And it is possible that it isn't related to the cruise control,
> but citing incidences of ten year old Jeeps and 18 year old Fords
> as any way related is just plain ignorant.
> Camshaft failures were real common on 70s era Chevrolets and
> Oldsmobiles, maybe you should warn the OP about -that- also.
> Something like;
> ATTENTION
> Certain Chevrolet and Oldsmobile engines produced in the 1970s
> suffered from premature camshaft wear, since you own a 2002
> Chrysler Sebring, you should be aware that there is a possibility
> of premature camshaft wear based upon evidence obtained when
> reviewing failure records of the previously mentioned General
> Motors divisions.
>
>
> > Sorry if i left out the finer anal
> > details. But that is why you are here to pick them up correct .
>
> It's got nothing to do with the "details" it has a lot to do with
> what should be obvious, like the make and model year.

Oct 4, 1996 : Chrysler disclosed in a letter to the Office of Defects
Investigation that it knew of 98 incidents of unintended acceleration
between 1993 and 1996 involving Cherokees and another 241 involving Grand
Cherokees ref: See Section 9-Links & References CHRYSLER
a.. A group of independent engineering experts claims to have uncovered a
defect specific in the 1993-96 5.2 litre V8 Grand Cherokee. If cruise
control is left in the ON position a short to ground in the power control
module connector can cause the vehicle's engine to race. The short is said
to be caused by water, moisture etc. getting into the connector and causing
corrosion. ref: See Section 9-Links & References CHRYSLER : Strategic
Safety. Special investigation Chrysler Cherokee 1998

That was 1996, But it is possible that it can happen, as it is possible that
more problems are happening to this day. The only thing I was saying, is
that I have talked about this happening a few yrs ago in a class and it may
not have been the driver hitting the wrong pedal, But for some of the
people...it isnt possible unless it has acually happened to them, such as
Daniel Stern and his side kick AARCUDA
"Matt Whiting" > wrote in message
...
> maxpower wrote:
>
> > Feb. 27 (Bloomberg) -- Ford Motor Co., the world's second- largest
> > automaker, settled a sudden-acceleration lawsuit today brought by a
> > Cleveland minister who was left in a coma after his 1987 Crown Victoria
> > crashed into a neighbor's house.
> >
> > Attorneys for Leon Manigault, 77, said a defect in his car's electronic
> > system caused it to speed up uncontrollably after he put it in gear.
Ford
> > and Manigault's family reached a confidential settlement today just
before
> > closing arguments were scheduled in the trial in state court in
Cleveland.
>
> Yes, I'd definitely think that an attorney would be an authority on
> electronic systems. Major corporations settle law suits all of the time
> whether they feel they are at fault or not. The decision is based on
> economics, not technical reality. The Crown Vic may well have a defect,
> but this hardly establishes that.
>
>
> Matt

In article >,
"maxpower" > wrote:

> Like i said, see it for yourself, im not going to make you believe it. The
> computer sees it and tries to maintian correct idle by controlling the
> timing

Whoa, now you're claiming that it's the *computer* that "sees" it.
Before, you had claimed that it was the "Power Module."
You DO realize that those are two distinct, different components,
don't you Mr. Bigshotdealershiptechnician?

> All you've managed to do Glen is point out that there have been
> failures associated with -some- cruise control systems, that does
> not mean that all cruise controls or even this cruise control
> will behave or -did- behave the same.
> EXACTLY!!! thats all i was trying to do..TRY TO READ WHAT I SAID RATHER
> THEN TRY TO MAKE AN ARGUMENT OUT OF IT,,,,, for the lame I made it easier,
> read below

You don't get it, you probably never will.
You are unprofessional and irresponsible.
If Chrysler ever got wind of what you're posting in this thread,
you'd be blacklisted from every dealership on the planet.
Your comments are pure conjecture with NO basis in fact.
You're probably a gun grabber.
You are a buffoon, you can't keep two different components
straight, hell, you can't tell a Ford from a Jeep from a Chrysler
from a Buick, logic escapes you, odds are you work the wash rack
and sneak an occasional peek over a real mechanics shoulder,
because no person who repairs automobiles for a living could be
as stone cold dense as you.

> From: "damnnickname" >
>
> Idle was controlled by the timing back then, With autolite/bosh and some

Idle was controlled by *what*?
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In article >,
"maxpower" > wrote:

> Ok, back to how I use my newsgroup and how I Post. And my spelling!! I cant
> talk to a child as yourself

Your posts look like ****, if I reply, my newsreaders spell
checker lights up like Las Vegas during a light bulb convention,
your replies run into the text of the person that you're replying
to, you fail at skills that are normally achieved by the age of
ten, and your logic and reasoning skills mimic those of a
Yorkshire Terrier, your stories change which makes them less than
believable, you insist on things that you obviously don't even
have a basic understanding of, hipcrime spam attacks are easier
to read than one of your posts, one can only imagine how many
hours per week your service manager has to waste trying to
decipher what you've documented on your repair orders, you've
shown evidence that you don't understand the basics of how an
internal combustion engine operates, you're a parts changer, you
embody every complaint ever lodged against Jiffy Lube, you
mis-attribute posts, 78.6% of what you post makes no sense at all.