Question on the Ion 3

Hello - I hope someone here can help me.

My husband is considering trading in his SC2 for an Ion 3 Quad Coupe,
automatic trans.

He told the dealer he would want the performance package, with the 2.4L
engine, etc., but the dealer seems to be trying to talk him out of it,
and is giving him a dozen reasons why he shouldn't take the performance
package (more money, only 2.4L as opposed to the standard 2.2L, etc.).


The dealer also told him that the engine with the performance package
takes only premium gas.

1) Is this true about the premium gas, and 2) why would the dealer be
trying to talk him out of this package?

Thank you,

Jill

J. Meier wrote:
> Hello - I hope someone here can help me.
>
> My husband is considering trading in his SC2 for an Ion 3 Quad Coupe,
> automatic trans.
>
> He told the dealer he would want the performance package, with the 2.4L
> engine, etc., but the dealer seems to be trying to talk him out of it,
> and is giving him a dozen reasons why he shouldn't take the performance
> package (more money, only 2.4L as opposed to the standard 2.2L, etc.).
>
>
> The dealer also told him that the engine with the performance package
> takes only premium gas.
>
> 1) Is this true about the premium gas, and 2) why would the dealer be
> trying to talk him out of this package?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Jill

(1) It's not true. The 2.4L engine, like every other engine in every
Saturn car sold, wants 87 octane. You've never had to put premium in
any Saturn, and you never will.

(2) Because his boss told him to, probably. Maybe they have a lot of
ION 2.2's in stock and want to get rid of them.

My personal feeling is the 2.4 feels better to drive, especially at
speed. I don't notice a whole heck of a lot of difference off the
line, but passing on the highway in the 2.4 is much better than the
2.2, and it feels better going up and down hills, too.

I have noticed that the 2.4L is a little noisier though, but heck,
that's what the radio is for .

Uhhh the 2.0L Ecotec is SuperCharged and does take higher octane gas so
the 87 only doesnt apply to Saturn across the board. Are we sure that
this isnt the engine that was being discussed?


In article . com>,
says...
>
> J. Meier wrote:
> > Hello - I hope someone here can help me.
> >
> > My husband is considering trading in his SC2 for an Ion 3 Quad Coupe,
> > automatic trans.
> >
> > He told the dealer he would want the performance package, with the 2.4L
> > engine, etc., but the dealer seems to be trying to talk him out of it,
> > and is giving him a dozen reasons why he shouldn't take the performance
> > package (more money, only 2.4L as opposed to the standard 2.2L, etc.).
> >
> >
> > The dealer also told him that the engine with the performance package
> > takes only premium gas.
> >
> > 1) Is this true about the premium gas, and 2) why would the dealer be
> > trying to talk him out of this package?
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > Jill
>
> (1) It's not true. The 2.4L engine, like every other engine in every
> Saturn car sold, wants 87 octane. You've never had to put premium in
> any Saturn, and you never will.
>
> (2) Because his boss told him to, probably. Maybe they have a lot of
> ION 2.2's in stock and want to get rid of them.
>
> My personal feeling is the 2.4 feels better to drive, especially at
> speed. I don't notice a whole heck of a lot of difference off the
> line, but passing on the highway in the 2.4 is much better than the
> 2.2, and it feels better going up and down hills, too.
>
> I have noticed that the 2.4L is a little noisier though, but heck,
> that's what the radio is for .
>
>

wrong, wrong, wrong. Personally, I would dis that salesman and if possible,
find another Saturn dealership.

First of all the 2.4L is only a larger displacement engine and has only a
handful of performance enhancements of which do NOT include anything that
require premium gas, only 87 octane (reg).

What markwalt said in #2, is most likely true, as the 2.4 is difficult to
get for many dealerships, Saturn dindt make as many as the regular 2.2L.

(oh and by the way, you can also get a 2.4L sedan ION.3 too if you want)

Saturn does charge more for the 2.4, so the dealer was telling you right.
There is a slight noticeable improvement over the 2.2L, larger exhaust
diameter, external oil cooler, ION.3 has a better suspension too. A few test
drivers have also reported increased performance after the engine breaks in,
but dont expect performance like the Redline, its no redline. Just FYI,
there are many high performanc eadd-ons available for the 2.2L out there and
they are affordable!

The premium gas comment bends my ear, I would find yourself a salesman that
actually knows his products.

marx404
(you know where I work, and what I eat, sleep and breathe)

oops almost forgot... the 2.4 is a VVT (variable valve timing) vs the 2.4 is
a regular inline 4. both are good.

marx404

I test drove a 2.2 Ion sedan about 2 weeks ago, but ended up buying the
2.4 sedan. The 2.4 package is well worth the extra money - not just for
the extra power, but also the steering and handling is much improved
over the 2.2.

The 2.4 is rated at 1mpg less than the 2.2, and they both use regular
unleaded.

<<why would the dealer be trying to talk him out of this package?>>

GM/Saturn appears to be "pushing" the Ion-2 - note that GMAC offers
0.0% financing on the Ion-2 for up to 4 years, while the Ion-3 runs
1.90% for 3 years, and more for longer periods.

Your dealer is a liar and/or idiot

John Cowart

Ah, I forgot about the ION redline, you're probably right, I'll bet it
does want higher than 87 octane. We don't sell too many of those