If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below. |
|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
|
#1
|
|||
|
|||
Damn pigs need a good kicking in the teeth...
I just got back from taking my girlfriend home. On the way I observed a
police car in front of me. I pulled up behind him at a red light. The protected left turned green adn he gunned it forward into the intersection, then stopped and waited. Then he proceeded to run the red light and take off rather quickly down the residential/small business street posted at 25 MPH. I proceeded once the light had turned green, several seocnds later. The cop must have been doing at least upwards of 40 MPH, probably more like 50 MPH as it seems he got to the next light as I was about halfway between the previous light and the next light. Then when he approached the red light with a single car waiting at the light he stopped and waited behind the other car. Once the light turned green he proceeded at a more appropriate speed and then turned around a little ways down that street. All this was without his light bar on or any siren or horn whatsoever. Through town where he was doing 40-50 MPH in the 25 MPH zone there were people walking around, several with small children. I wrote down his license plate number, NJ municipal plate MG40715. I believe the car was a Haddon Township police car. I plan to go to the police station tomorrow, if they are open that is, and do whatever is necessary to make a written complaint. of course I don't expect anything to be done about this "officers" reckless behavior, but at least I'll feel better for reporting it and having it on paper, assuming the pigs don't shred it and pretend like nothing ever happened. Cory |
#2
|
|||
|
|||
It's important to make a paper trail documenting this and other incidents.
Nothing may come of this one incident, but it can be used as documented proof that misconduct is happening. The cops are required by federal law to answer your questions and give you an opportunity to lodge written complaints, no matter the content. To refuse is illegal, plain and simple. To harass a complainant is also illegal. "Cory Dunkle" > wrote in message ... >I just got back from taking my girlfriend home. On the way I observed a > police car in front of me. I pulled up behind him at a red light. The > protected left turned green adn he gunned it forward into the > intersection, > then stopped and waited. Then he proceeded to run the red light and take > off > rather quickly down the residential/small business street posted at 25 > MPH. > I proceeded once the light had turned green, several seocnds later. The > cop > must have been doing at least upwards of 40 MPH, probably more like 50 MPH > as it seems he got to the next light as I was about halfway between the > previous light and the next light. Then when he approached the red light > with a single car waiting at the light he stopped and waited behind the > other car. Once the light turned green he proceeded at a more appropriate > speed and then turned around a little ways down that street. All this was > without his light bar on or any siren or horn whatsoever. Through town > where > he was doing 40-50 MPH in the 25 MPH zone there were people walking > around, > several with small children. > > I wrote down his license plate number, NJ municipal plate MG40715. I > believe > the car was a Haddon Township police car. I plan to go to the police > station > tomorrow, if they are open that is, and do whatever is necessary to make a > written complaint. of course I don't expect anything to be done about this > "officers" reckless behavior, but at least I'll feel better for reporting > it > and having it on paper, assuming the pigs don't shred it and pretend like > nothing ever happened. > > Cory > > |
#3
|
|||
|
|||
Skip Elliott Bowman wrote:
> It's important to make a paper trail documenting this and other incidents. > Nothing may come of this one incident, but it can be used as documented > proof that misconduct is happening. > > The cops are required by federal law to answer your questions and give you > an opportunity to lodge written complaints, no matter the content. To > refuse is illegal, plain and simple. To harass a complainant is also > illegal. I've had them refuse in the past (not a trivial case like this one). Would appreciate a reference to the federal law in case it happens again. |
#4
|
|||
|
|||
"John David Galt" > wrote in message
... > Skip Elliott Bowman wrote: >> It's important to make a paper trail documenting this and other >> incidents. Nothing may come of this one incident, but it can be used as >> documented proof that misconduct is happening. >> >> The cops are required by federal law to answer your questions and give >> you an opportunity to lodge written complaints, no matter the content. >> To refuse is illegal, plain and simple. To harass a complainant is also >> illegal. > > I've had them refuse in the past (not a trivial case like this one). > Would > appreciate a reference to the federal law in case it happens again. Here is a link to the text of the Serrano-Hyde bill on police brutality, which addresses filing complaints: http://commdocs.house.gov/committees...hju62440_0.htm I've found numerous other reports on filing complaints, but I'm still looking for the specific law. However, if my memory serves me correctly, I do remember watching a TV magazine (20/20, Dateline, et al) report on police departments that would either refuse an undercover reporter's request for a complaint form or impede the request to the point of frustration with the process. I'll keep looking and post what I find. |
#5
|
|||
|
|||
"John David Galt" > wrote in message
... > Skip Elliott Bowman wrote: >> It's important to make a paper trail documenting this and other >> incidents. Nothing may come of this one incident, but it can be used as >> documented proof that misconduct is happening. >> >> The cops are required by federal law to answer your questions and give >> you an opportunity to lodge written complaints, no matter the content. >> To refuse is illegal, plain and simple. To harass a complainant is also >> illegal. > > I've had them refuse in the past (not a trivial case like this one). > Would > appreciate a reference to the federal law in case it happens again. Here is a link to the text of the Serrano-Hyde bill on police brutality, which addresses filing complaints: http://commdocs.house.gov/committees...hju62440_0.htm I've found numerous other reports on filing complaints, but I'm still looking for the specific law. However, if my memory serves me correctly, I do remember watching a TV magazine (20/20, Dateline, et al) report on police departments that would either refuse an undercover reporter's request for a complaint form or impede the request to the point of frustration with the process. I'll keep looking and post what I find. |
#6
|
|||
|
|||
Skip Elliott Bowman wrote:
> It's important to make a paper trail documenting this and other incidents. > Nothing may come of this one incident, but it can be used as documented > proof that misconduct is happening. > > The cops are required by federal law to answer your questions and give you > an opportunity to lodge written complaints, no matter the content. To > refuse is illegal, plain and simple. To harass a complainant is also > illegal. I've had them refuse in the past (not a trivial case like this one). Would appreciate a reference to the federal law in case it happens again. |
#7
|
|||
|
|||
"Skip Elliott Bowman" > wrote in message nk.net... > It's important to make a paper trail documenting this and other incidents. > Nothing may come of this one incident, but it can be used as documented > proof that misconduct is happening. > > The cops are required by federal law to answer your questions and give you > an opportunity to lodge written complaints, no matter the content. To > refuse is illegal, plain and simple. To harass a complainant is also > illegal. Which federal law would that be? And yes, cops do give you every opportunity to lodge a complaint. What happens after that depends on the business the cop was conducting at the time. Remember that emergency vehicles are not normal traffic whether they are operating with lights and siren or not. If the complaint is unfounded, since emergency vehicles are exempt from traffic law when in the performance of their duties, how would you show this as misconduct? I agree that none of us here know what was going on that prompted the behavior but you and the OP automatically assume that the cop did this without cause when it sounds to me like he was en route to a call and was cancelled, or sent to a different call during this. -- --- jaybird --- I am not the cause of your problems. My actions are the result of your actions. Your life is not my fault. |
#8
|
|||
|
|||
"jaybird" > wrote in message
... > > "Skip Elliott Bowman" > wrote in message > nk.net... > > It's important to make a paper trail documenting this and other incidents. > > Nothing may come of this one incident, but it can be used as documented > > proof that misconduct is happening. > > > > The cops are required by federal law to answer your questions and give you > > an opportunity to lodge written complaints, no matter the content. To > > refuse is illegal, plain and simple. To harass a complainant is also > > illegal. > > Which federal law would that be? And yes, cops do give you every > opportunity to lodge a complaint. What happens after that depends on the > business the cop was conducting at the time. Remember that emergency > vehicles are not normal traffic whether they are operating with lights and > siren or not. > > If the complaint is unfounded, since emergency vehicles are exempt from > traffic law when in the performance of their duties, how would you show this > as misconduct? I agree that none of us here know what was going on that > prompted the behavior but you and the OP automatically assume that the cop > did this without cause when it sounds to me like he was en route to a call > and was cancelled, or sent to a different call during this. Regardless, if it's okay for a cop to be doing 40-50 MPH with no lights or siren in a residential zone with children and familys out and about it ought to be okay fore everyone and the road should be psoted at that speed. However, 50 MPH is totally unsafe in such an area, which is why speeds are typically 25-30 MPH in such areas. Exceeding that speed is unsafe, and if an emergency vehicle is exceeding that speed it should be for an emergency, which warrants the use of at least lights, if not siren... Something to make the emergency vehicle more visible, which is traveling at speeds significantly faster than what is safe in such an area. A car going 50 MPH in an area traffic normally goes 25-30 will omce up on a pedestrian very quickly. It's downright reckless to be driving at those speeds in such a place. Even assuming the emergency vehicle was on a call, that does not change the fact that the bahavior was reckless and endangering the lives of the people out and about in that area. Cory |
#9
|
|||
|
|||
"jaybird" > wrote in message
... > > "Skip Elliott Bowman" > wrote in message > nk.net... > > It's important to make a paper trail documenting this and other incidents. > > Nothing may come of this one incident, but it can be used as documented > > proof that misconduct is happening. > > > > The cops are required by federal law to answer your questions and give you > > an opportunity to lodge written complaints, no matter the content. To > > refuse is illegal, plain and simple. To harass a complainant is also > > illegal. > > Which federal law would that be? And yes, cops do give you every > opportunity to lodge a complaint. What happens after that depends on the > business the cop was conducting at the time. Remember that emergency > vehicles are not normal traffic whether they are operating with lights and > siren or not. > > If the complaint is unfounded, since emergency vehicles are exempt from > traffic law when in the performance of their duties, how would you show this > as misconduct? I agree that none of us here know what was going on that > prompted the behavior but you and the OP automatically assume that the cop > did this without cause when it sounds to me like he was en route to a call > and was cancelled, or sent to a different call during this. Regardless, if it's okay for a cop to be doing 40-50 MPH with no lights or siren in a residential zone with children and familys out and about it ought to be okay fore everyone and the road should be psoted at that speed. However, 50 MPH is totally unsafe in such an area, which is why speeds are typically 25-30 MPH in such areas. Exceeding that speed is unsafe, and if an emergency vehicle is exceeding that speed it should be for an emergency, which warrants the use of at least lights, if not siren... Something to make the emergency vehicle more visible, which is traveling at speeds significantly faster than what is safe in such an area. A car going 50 MPH in an area traffic normally goes 25-30 will omce up on a pedestrian very quickly. It's downright reckless to be driving at those speeds in such a place. Even assuming the emergency vehicle was on a call, that does not change the fact that the bahavior was reckless and endangering the lives of the people out and about in that area. Cory |
#10
|
|||
|
|||
jaybird wrote:
> "Skip Elliott Bowman" > wrote in message > nk.net... > >>It's important to make a paper trail documenting this and other incidents. >>Nothing may come of this one incident, but it can be used as documented >>proof that misconduct is happening. >> >>The cops are required by federal law to answer your questions and give you >>an opportunity to lodge written complaints, no matter the content. To >>refuse is illegal, plain and simple. To harass a complainant is also >>illegal. > > > Which federal law would that be? And yes, cops do give you every > opportunity to lodge a complaint. What happens after that depends on the > business the cop was conducting at the time. Remember that emergency > vehicles are not normal traffic whether they are operating with lights and > siren or not. Incorrect in most states. > > If the complaint is unfounded, since emergency vehicles are exempt from > traffic law when in the performance of their duties, Incorrect in most states. > how would you show this > as misconduct? I agree that none of us here know what was going on that > prompted the behavior but you and the OP automatically assume that the cop > did this without cause when it sounds to me like he was en route to a call > and was cancelled, or sent to a different call during this. > If he was going to a call he should have had lights and/or siren on. This is NJ we're talking about not Texas. And even in Texas it still would have been irresponsible, and the kind of driving that you like to point out as reckless when anyone but a cop does it. nate -- replace "fly" with "com" to reply. http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel |
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Good Good Deals! | Brendan Carpenter | Dodge | 0 | April 20th 04 04:05 AM |