2005 Explorer rear differential whine

I have had my Explorer for two weeks and yesterday I noticed a whine
from the rear-end under very light acceleration. Thought it was road
noise at first. I crawled under to have a look yesterday and noticed
fluid on the outside of the rear differential and some fluid splattered
on the spare tire. Took it in to the dealership this morning for some
other things and asked then to have a look at it. I am happy to have
the warranty.

Anyone else get hoise from the diff on their Explorer? My
father-in-law said his `99 made all kinds of noise, but it was just
normal on the Ford differential on the Explorer. He said they just
can't get it right.

"Holmbrew" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>I have had my Explorer for two weeks and yesterday I noticed a whine
> from the rear-end under very light acceleration. Thought it was road
> noise at first. I crawled under to have a look yesterday and noticed
> fluid on the outside of the rear differential and some fluid splattered
> on the spare tire. Took it in to the dealership this morning for some
> other things and asked then to have a look at it. I am happy to have
> the warranty.
>
> Anyone else get hoise from the diff on their Explorer? My
> father-in-law said his `99 made all kinds of noise, but it was just
> normal on the Ford differential on the Explorer. He said they just
> can't get it right.

There is a Ford TSB that address this. If the vehicle is under warranty,
take it to your dealer and tell him you want the fix described in TSB
05-23-3 REAR AXLE NOISE REPAIR.

Ed

Ed,

Thanks for the info. I'll make sure I pass on the info to the
dealership. It is probably too much to assume that they will fix it
according to the TSB without me prompting them, but hopefully they
will.

-Jason

On Oct 16, 9:43 am, "C. E. White" >
wrote:
> "Holmbrew" > wrote in oglegroups.com...
>
> >I have had my Explorer for two weeks and yesterday I noticed a whine
> > from the rear-end under very light acceleration. Thought it was road
> > noise at first. I crawled under to have a look yesterday and noticed
> > fluid on the outside of the rear differential and some fluid splattered
> > on the spare tire. Took it in to the dealership this morning for some
> > other things and asked then to have a look at it. I am happy to have
> > the warranty.
>
> > Anyone else get hoise from the diff on their Explorer? My
> > father-in-law said his `99 made all kinds of noise, but it was just
> > normal on the Ford differential on the Explorer. He said they just
> > can't get it right.There is a Ford TSB that address this. If the vehicle is under warranty,
> take it to your dealer and tell him you want the fix described in TSB
> 05-23-3 REAR AXLE NOISE REPAIR.
>
> Ed

Called the dealership this afternoon and they said there is "something"
wrong with the rear diff, but they have not figured out what yet. They
said they should have it fix by tomorrow.

So I bought this as a "Certified Pre-owned" Ford, what the helll does
that mean if they can acuallly sell me a truck with a broken rear diff.
They didn't say anything about aforementioned TSB.

On Oct 16, 8:41 am, "Holmbrew" > wrote:
> I have had my Explorer for two weeks and yesterday I noticed a whine
> from the rear-end under very light acceleration. Thought it was road
> noise at first. I crawled under to have a look yesterday and noticed
> fluid on the outside of the rear differential and some fluid splattered
> on the spare tire. Took it in to the dealership this morning for some
> other things and asked then to have a look at it. I am happy to have
> the warranty.
>
> Anyone else get hoise from the diff on their Explorer? My
> father-in-law said his `99 made all kinds of noise, but it was just
> normal on the Ford differential on the Explorer. He said they just
> can't get it right.

Just hear back from the dealer. They will be keep my truck another day
and ordering in a replacement ring & pinion. They told me they do the
TSB repair first and that works about 90% of the time, but on a test
drive the TSB repair got rid of most of the rear-end noise, but not all
of it, so the whole thing will be replaced.

Certified pre-owned is a bunch of crap. Granted this is all warranty
work, but if they had taken the time to put the vehicle on a lift and
inspect it they would have seen fluid escaping from the rear diff and
that should have either not passed the CPO inspection or been fixed
before it his the lot.


Holmbrew wrote:
> I have had my Explorer for two weeks and yesterday I noticed a whine
> from the rear-end under very light acceleration. Thought it was road
> noise at first. I crawled under to have a look yesterday and noticed
> fluid on the outside of the rear differential and some fluid splattered
> on the spare tire. Took it in to the dealership this morning for some
> other things and asked then to have a look at it. I am happy to have
> the warranty.
>
> Anyone else get hoise from the diff on their Explorer? My
> father-in-law said his `99 made all kinds of noise, but it was just
> normal on the Ford differential on the Explorer. He said they just
> can't get it right.

"Holmbrew" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Just hear back from the dealer. They will be keep my truck another day
> and ordering in a replacement ring & pinion. They told me they do the
> TSB repair first and that works about 90% of the time, but on a test
> drive the TSB repair got rid of most of the rear-end noise, but not all
> of it, so the whole thing will be replaced.
>
> Certified pre-owned is a bunch of crap. Granted this is all warranty
> work, but if they had taken the time to put the vehicle on a lift and
> inspect it they would have seen fluid escaping from the rear diff and
> that should have either not passed the CPO inspection or been fixed
> before it his the lot.

I think most "Certified Pre-Owned" used cars are just a "come on" employed
by dealers to convince you that their used cars are special and therefore
can be priced higher. I am suspicious of any used car on a dealers lot that
is only a year old. I can think of a few reasons why a dealer might have a
one year old car - 1) it was a lemon that the dealer took back to avoid
having it branded as a lemon, 2) it was a lemon that a Customer traded in
without telling the dealer it was a lemon, 3) the dealer picked it up at an
auction (and it was at the auction because of reasons 1 or 2), 4) it was a
rental unit, 5) it was a "demonstrator" that the dealer, another employee,
the dealer's wife, or someone connected to the dealership used for a year,
6) it was traded in my someone who gets a new vehicle every year, 7) it was
a program car - one that a Ford employee used for a year, 8) it was a repo.
Cars traded for reasons 6 and 7 are OK, for reason 6 is probably OK, for
reasons 4 and 8 may be OK, but I'd hate to get a car that was on the lot for
reasons 1, 2, or 3. And I personally know of at least one VW Passat that is
on a lot for reason 1.

If I don't know who owned the car before me, I am suspicious of the car. I
have bought "almost new" used cars from dealer twice in my life and they
have been OK, but the savings have not been all that great and I doubt the
wisdom of buying a car this way. I think it is much better to buy a used car
from the prior owner before it passes through a dealer. The only problem is
convincing the prior owner that the KBB Retail Price is a total fantasy,
that dealers lie about trade in value, and that their used car is not
"special." The silliest thing I see people do is buy a car from CARMAX (or
similar places). I've bought new cars for less than they are selling used
version of the same model. My ex bought my older Son a used Accord last year
for more than I paid for a new Mustang for my other Son (and they have
similar equipment - well actually the Mustang has better equipment). At
CARMAX, no hassle pricing means, we're screwing you and it really isn't a
hassle for us.

Ed

Well, they told me it was a dealer demonstrator and that the CarFax
said it was a rental, but that is what they say when it is a dealer car
or something. It is in great shape, save the bunk rear-end. I hope it
is not a lemon, but I guess I'll have to try to find out what the real
story is behind the it.

On Oct 18, 9:00 am, "C. E. White" >
wrote:
> "Holmbrew" > wrote in ooglegroups.com...
>
> > Just hear back from the dealer. They will be keep my truck another day
> > and ordering in a replacement ring & pinion. They told me they do the
> > TSB repair first and that works about 90% of the time, but on a test
> > drive the TSB repair got rid of most of the rear-end noise, but not all
> > of it, so the whole thing will be replaced.
>
> > Certified pre-owned is a bunch of crap. Granted this is all warranty
> > work, but if they had taken the time to put the vehicle on a lift and
> > inspect it they would have seen fluid escaping from the rear diff and
> > that should have either not passed the CPO inspection or been fixed
> > before it his the lot.I think most "Certified Pre-Owned" used cars are just a "come on" employed
> by dealers to convince you that their used cars are special and therefore
> can be priced higher. I am suspicious of any used car on a dealers lot that
> is only a year old. I can think of a few reasons why a dealer might have a
> one year old car - 1) it was a lemon that the dealer took back to avoid
> having it branded as a lemon, 2) it was a lemon that a Customer traded in
> without telling the dealer it was a lemon, 3) the dealer picked it up at an
> auction (and it was at the auction because of reasons 1 or 2), 4) it was a
> rental unit, 5) it was a "demonstrator" that the dealer, another employee,
> the dealer's wife, or someone connected to the dealership used for a year,
> 6) it was traded in my someone who gets a new vehicle every year, 7) it was
> a program car - one that a Ford employee used for a year, 8) it was a repo.
> Cars traded for reasons 6 and 7 are OK, for reason 6 is probably OK, for
> reasons 4 and 8 may be OK, but I'd hate to get a car that was on the lot for
> reasons 1, 2, or 3. And I personally know of at least one VW Passat that is
> on a lot for reason 1.
>
> If I don't know who owned the car before me, I am suspicious of the car. I
> have bought "almost new" used cars from dealer twice in my life and they
> have been OK, but the savings have not been all that great and I doubt the
> wisdom of buying a car this way. I think it is much better to buy a used car
> from the prior owner before it passes through a dealer. The only problem is
> convincing the prior owner that the KBB Retail Price is a total fantasy,
> that dealers lie about trade in value, and that their used car is not
> "special." The silliest thing I see people do is buy a car from CARMAX (or
> similar places). I've bought new cars for less than they are selling used
> version of the same model. My ex bought my older Son a used Accord last year
> for more than I paid for a new Mustang for my other Son (and they have
> similar equipment - well actually the Mustang has better equipment). At
> CARMAX, no hassle pricing means, we're screwing you and it really isn't a
> hassle for us.
>
> Ed