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Pars wrote:
> "jim beam" > wrote in message > ... > > >>> >>>I'm in the same boat. I went to the Honda dealership to get my clutch > > oil > >>>changed (for the 2nd time since owning the car). Turns out, that my > > clutch > >>>oil was low and the Honda mechanic recommends new master & slave > > cylinder > >>>and a overhaul for the clutch master cylinder. After 245,000km of hard >>>driving, you'd think a simple oil change should do the job. Oh well.. >>> >>>The syncro is shot for third gear (only crunches when I'm racing..but > > I'm > >>>sure it'll get worst). Considering that I have been ruff with the > > tranny, > >>>would it be wise to also get a new clutch while their working on the > > clutch > >>>master cylinder? So far, everything under the hood is still original > > (except > >>>for spark plug and air filter) and this will be the first time It'll be >>>going for surgery because of failed parts... >>> >>>I'm going to have to get used to the fact that the car isn't >>>indestructible...*sigh* >>> >>>Pars >>>98 Civic Hatch >>> >>> >> >>this is where you can teach yourself to double-clutch effectively! >>seriously, you can keep a shot synchro going indefinitely if you do. >> > > > Yep, looks like I might have to become an expert at it. But for now, I'm > going to have to avoid drag races that requires 3rd gear. Downshifting from > 5 to 3 is still smooth since I'm good at rev matching....so I can still > squeeze some fun out of 3rd. But once third is completely gone, I'm not > going to be a happy camper, since it's my favorite gear. > > Pars > > i drove a car with no 2nd synchro for years. once i got the hang of it, it was easy. which was great because it meant my sister would never borrow my car. i don't drive a stick that much now, but when i do, i still find myself occasionally doing that second kick on the clutch. i think it's easy once you understand what's going on - the principle is that you either spin up or spin down with the clutch engaged in neutral to match the ratio speeds, then engage gear. |
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Pars wrote:
> "Abeness" > wrote in message > ... > >>Pars wrote: >> >>>I'm in the same boat. I went to the Honda dealership to get my clutch > > oil > >>>changed (for the 2nd time since owning the car). Turns out, that my > > clutch > >>>oil was low and the Honda mechanic recommends new master & slave > > cylinder > >>>and a overhaul for the clutch master cylinder. After 245,000km of hard >>>driving, you'd think a simple oil change should do the job. Oh well.. >> >>What the hell is an "overhaul for a clutch master cylinder"--especially >>after you get a new one? Methinks you have the terminology wrong for >>what the overhaul is on. The master cylinder is the thing your clutch >>pedal is connected to--nowhere near the actual clutch. It's easy to >>replace, as is the slave cylinder, which is attached to the tranny and >>activates the clutch release. I just did both on my 94 Civic. > > > The mechanic also said that the master and slave cylinder were leaking and > the clutch pedal was very stiff (but not stiff enough to hamper the lead in > my left foot). > > >>BTW, there's brake fluid in the clutch hydraulics, oil in your tranny. >>Better hope there's no oil in your clutch... ;-) > > > Yep, they charged me about $6 for the brake oil. technically, it's not an oil for a honda, it's a glycol-ether. oils are used in a lot of hydraulic systems, but generally not for car braking/clutch systems & definitely not here. sorry, pedant city. > The tranny oil was more > expensive at $21 for 3 Litres. > > >>>would it be wise to also get a new clutch while their working on the > > clutch > >>>master cylinder? >> >>If whatever they're wanting to do the overhaul on involves removing the >>tranny, have them inspect the clutch for wear and decide then. Tegger's >>still on his original clutch at 400,000 km... > > > If I wasn't aggressive with the tranny, I'm sure the thing would probably > would last forever. Considering that the engagement point for my clutch has > gone all the way down to the floor and switching into first or reverse is a > little tricky, something is not right. Also, the low engagement point isn't > doing my tranny any good, since it's more difficult to go all the way down > on the clutch when executing some fast shifting (which is a common > occurrence in my case). > > Pars > > |
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second is my favorite gear in my 98 civic, hehe it tops out at 110km/h. Then again 3rd is good too, takes me all the way to 160km. I got her goin to 195 in 4th the other day too. WEEEEEEEEEEEE. t Pars wrote: >> > I'm in the same boat. I went to the Honda dealership to get my clutch oil >> > changed (for the 2nd time since owning the car). Turns out, that my clutch >[quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >> this is where you can teach yourself to double-clutch effectively! >> seriously, you can keep a shot synchro going indefinitely if you do. > >Yep, looks like I might have to become an expert at it. But for now, I'm >going to have to avoid drag races that requires 3rd gear. Downshifting from >5 to 3 is still smooth since I'm good at rev matching....so I can still >squeeze some fun out of 3rd. But once third is completely gone, I'm not >going to be a happy camper, since it's my favorite gear. > >Pars -- Message posted via http://www.carkb.com |
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"T L via CarKB.com" > wrote in message ... > > second is my favorite gear in my 98 civic, hehe it tops out at 110km/h. Then > again 3rd is good too, takes me all the way to 160km. I got her goin to 195 > in 4th the other day too. WEEEEEEEEEEEE. Yep, 195 km/hr and then the speed limit kicks in....which is a bummer...cause on a good day I probably could squeeze another 10km/hr out of that DX engine. I tend to do alot of highway, so third is spaced perfectly for 'dog fighting'. Pars > > t > > Pars wrote: > >> > I'm in the same boat. I went to the Honda dealership to get my clutch oil > >> > changed (for the 2nd time since owning the car). Turns out, that my clutch > >[quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >> this is where you can teach yourself to double-clutch effectively! > >> seriously, you can keep a shot synchro going indefinitely if you do. > > > >Yep, looks like I might have to become an expert at it. But for now, I'm > >going to have to avoid drag races that requires 3rd gear. Downshifting from > >5 to 3 is still smooth since I'm good at rev matching....so I can still > >squeeze some fun out of 3rd. But once third is completely gone, I'm not > >going to be a happy camper, since it's my favorite gear. > > > >Pars > > > -- > Message posted via http://www.carkb.com |
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"Abeness" > wrote in message ... > Pars wrote: > > The mechanic also said that the master and slave cylinder were leaking and > > the clutch pedal was very stiff (but not stiff enough to hamper the lead in > > my left foot). > > Mine was feeling a bit weird when I replaced the master/slave cylinders. > and the master was leaking here as well. Dealer said the slave was > leaking too when I had the car inspeced prior to purchase, but I didn't > see any evidence of that myself. > > >>If whatever they're wanting to do the overhaul on involves removing the > >>tranny, have them inspect the clutch for wear and decide then. Tegger's > >>still on his original clutch at 400,000 km... > > > > > > If I wasn't aggressive with the tranny, I'm sure the thing would probably > > would last forever. Considering that the engagement point for my clutch has > > gone all the way down to the floor and switching into first or reverse is a > > little tricky, something is not right. > > Maybe not forever, as there is wear however you drive. The fact that you > have to push the pedal all the way to the floor to disengage the clutch > could merely be the result of the low fluid and failing cylinders. > > Since the master and slave cylinders are so easy to replace--I'm > relatively new to automotive work, but am a pretty handy guy in > general--and since replacing them doesn't involve dropping the tranny, > I'd start with those and see how it feels after a pedal adjustment. The > job can be done in less than 2 hours. If you want to do it > yourself--really, it's easy--see my post "clutch master & slave cylinder > replacement notes (94 Civic EX)" (7/8/2005). Helpful to have a Helm > manual, too--an excellent investment. I'm taking the car on a long drive for the long weekend (about 20hrs of highway driving), so I was also planning on getting the clutch replaced as an added insurance. My mechanic quoted me about $600 for the job (using Honda parts) compared to the Honda dealership that quoted $1500 for clutch overhaul. Pars |
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> > > >>BTW, there's brake fluid in the clutch hydraulics, oil in your tranny. > >>Better hope there's no oil in your clutch... ;-) > > > > > > Yep, they charged me about $6 for the brake oil. > > technically, it's not an oil for a honda, it's a glycol-ether. oils are > used in a lot of hydraulic systems, but generally not for car > braking/clutch systems & definitely not here. sorry, pedant city. > Ok, Fluid not oil. Once upon a time I used to know what all that meant...All the Si-Fi Novels, bad action flicks and adrenalin pumping Xbox games has rotten my brain. There very little stuff left over from my old chemistry classes. Pars > > The tranny oil was more > > expensive at $21 for 3 Litres. > > > > > >>>would it be wise to also get a new clutch while their working on the > > > > clutch > > > >>>master cylinder? > >> > >>If whatever they're wanting to do the overhaul on involves removing the > >>tranny, have them inspect the clutch for wear and decide then. Tegger's > >>still on his original clutch at 400,000 km... > > > > > > If I wasn't aggressive with the tranny, I'm sure the thing would probably > > would last forever. Considering that the engagement point for my clutch has > > gone all the way down to the floor and switching into first or reverse is a > > little tricky, something is not right. Also, the low engagement point isn't > > doing my tranny any good, since it's more difficult to go all the way down > > on the clutch when executing some fast shifting (which is a common > > occurrence in my case). > > > > Pars > > > > > |
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Pars wrote:
> I'm taking the car on a long drive for the long weekend (about 20hrs of > highway driving), so I was also planning on getting the clutch replaced as > an added insurance. My mechanic quoted me about $600 for the job (using > Honda parts) compared to the Honda dealership that quoted $1500 for clutch > overhaul. That's pretty funny, $1500. $600 sounds more appropriate. |
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Pars wrote:
> Ok, Fluid not oil. Once upon a time I used to know what all that meant...All > the Si-Fi Novels, bad action flicks and adrenalin pumping Xbox games has > rotten my brain. There very little stuff left over from my old chemistry > classes. LOL! |
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