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New engine build
Hi Poeple
I am quite new to this group so please be kind ! I am planning on building my first engine. I have read loads on the net on how to ... performance this ... lightened fly wheel etc etc. A few times I have come across the statement " but dont do this if its going in a bus" ! So my question is this - what would be a good design, from carb though to exhaust for my new engine. I want not so much power/speed but tough reliable cruising at 70 - 80 MPH. Good MPG would be high on my list to. I have read that a "square engine" ( stroke equal to bore ) is good for fuel econ. Small inlet is good for busses ? Keep your flyweel heavy (180) etc. I will be using a spare 1300 dual port as my donar. Any good sites I might have missed ( for bus engines ). I would prefer type 1 as there doesnt seem to be that much info on type 4 ) Ta Rich 64 1600 split bus daily driver , 68 1300 bay bus, 78 2000 bay bus, 70 1200-70 1300 71 1300 and 72 1300 bugs. |
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tricky wrote:
> Hi Poeple > > I am quite new to this group so please be kind ! > > I am planning on building my first engine. I have read loads on the net > on how to ... performance this ... lightened fly wheel etc etc. > > A few times I have come across the statement " but dont do this if its > going in a bus" ! > > So my question is this - what would be a good design, from carb though > to exhaust for my new engine. > > I want not so much power/speed but tough reliable cruising at 70 - 80 > MPH. Good MPG would be high on my list to. > > I have read that a "square engine" ( stroke equal to bore ) is good for > fuel econ. Small inlet is good for busses ? Keep your flyweel heavy > (180) etc. > > I will be using a spare 1300 dual port as my donar. > > Any good sites I might have missed ( for bus engines ). > I would prefer type 1 as there doesnt seem to be that much info on type 4 ) > > Ta > > Rich > > 64 1600 split bus daily driver , 68 1300 bay bus, 78 2000 bay bus, 70 > 1200-70 1300 71 1300 and 72 1300 bugs. > This is going in the '68 Bus ??? Type 1 engines: http://www.type2.com/rvanness/1600saga.htm http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Dunes/9702/engine.html Loads of Type 4 info: http://www.aircooledtech.com/ http://www.bostonengine.com/index.html http://www.dolphinsci.com/typeIV.html http://tunacan.net/t4/ How thick is your wallet?? Speedy Jim http://www.nls.net/mp/volks/ |
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Speedy Jim wrote: > > This is going in the '68 Bus ??? Yes the 68 for now, but if its good I will do one for the 64 too. The 68 has a twin port beetle engine in that pulls better than the 1600 single port in the 64 ! > > Type 1 engines: > http://www.type2.com/rvanness/1600saga.htm > http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Dunes/9702/engine.html > > > Loads of Type 4 info: > http://www.aircooledtech.com/ > http://www.bostonengine.com/index.html > http://www.dolphinsci.com/typeIV.html > http://tunacan.net/t4/ > > How thick is your wallet?? Thats the other thing ! I dont want to spend to much ! Thanks for that - I will have a read. |
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70-80 MPH in a 64 Bus? Hope you live where there is absolutely no wind!
"tricky" > wrote in message ... > > > Speedy Jim wrote: >> >> This is going in the '68 Bus ??? > > Yes the 68 for now, but if its good I will do one for the 64 too. > The 68 has a twin port beetle engine in that pulls better than the 1600 > single port in the 64 ! > >> >> Type 1 engines: >> http://www.type2.com/rvanness/1600saga.htm >> http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Dunes/9702/engine.html >> >> >> Loads of Type 4 info: >> http://www.aircooledtech.com/ >> http://www.bostonengine.com/index.html >> http://www.dolphinsci.com/typeIV.html >> http://tunacan.net/t4/ >> >> How thick is your wallet?? > > Thats the other thing ! I dont want to spend to much ! > > Thanks for that - I will have a read. > |
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I used to drive my 2000 78 bay at these speeds easily. Has anyone out
there got a stock or mild built type 1 engine they are happy with ( or not! ) they would like to tell me about. I was thinking 1641 pistons and barrels, 1.4:1 rockers, but not sure wether to use a longer stroke crank. Some body must have a real life (ie not theory) view on the ideal engine for a bus !!! Wolfgang wrote: > 70-80 MPH in a 64 Bus? Hope you live where there is absolutely no wind! > > "tricky" > wrote in message > ... > >> >>Speedy Jim wrote: >> >>>This is going in the '68 Bus ??? >> >>Yes the 68 for now, but if its good I will do one for the 64 too. >>The 68 has a twin port beetle engine in that pulls better than the 1600 >>single port in the 64 ! >> >> >>>Type 1 engines: >>>http://www.type2.com/rvanness/1600saga.htm >>>http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Dunes/9702/engine.html >>> >>> >>>Loads of Type 4 info: >>>http://www.aircooledtech.com/ >>>http://www.bostonengine.com/index.html >>>http://www.dolphinsci.com/typeIV.html >>>http://tunacan.net/t4/ >>> >>>How thick is your wallet?? >> >>Thats the other thing ! I dont want to spend to much ! >> >>Thanks for that - I will have a read. >> > > > |
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"tricky" > wrote in message
... > > Anyone know of any UK supplyers of type 4 parts to build an engine ? > > ..............There's your problem. The type 4 engine was never sold in large quantities in Europe. Available engines for rebuilding and parts vendors selling affordable parts are a bigger problem compared to North America. Americans think that type 4's are common place and they're right but it isn't always true elsewhere. |
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>From: "Tim Rogers"
> >.............There's your problem. The type 4 engine was never sold in large >quantities in Europe. Available engines for rebuilding and parts vendors >selling affordable parts are a bigger problem compared to North America. >Americans think that type 4's are common place and they're right but it >isn't always true elsewhere. > > > > > > > > tim.....where do you think most of our type 4 knowlege/adaptation(I.E. upright conversion)/many parts come from?...folks in Europe have been using the type4 in beetles, buses, etc for many years...we are *WAY* behind them....that is where people like Jake Raby, etc, have gotten the "bug" over the type 4.... ------------------- Chris Perdue "I'm ever so thankful for the Internet; it has allowed me to keep a finger in the pie and to make some small contribution to those younger who will carry the air-cooled legend forward" Jim Mais Feb. 2004 |
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"Chris Perdue" > wrote in message
... > > tim.....where do you think most of our type 4 knowlege/adaptation(I.E. upright > conversion)/many parts come from?...folks in Europe have been using the type4 > in beetles, buses, etc for many years...we are *WAY* behind them....that is > where people like Jake Raby, etc, have gotten the "bug" over the type 4.... > > ..........You're right but there is still an availability and affordability problem in Europe and other parts of the world where type 4 engines were never sold in large numbers compared to here. |
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Hello all , again !
I have been in touch with a supplyer of type 4 engines ( there aren't many in the uk and most only sell long blocks complete ) I was advised to stick with type 1 !!! I was told it was loads of trouble - different gear box ( tranny) different input shaft, different mounting points . Anyone had any hands on experience of puting a type 4 in a 68-71 bus ? some sites suggest it would be quite easy ?? Rich Tim Rogers wrote: > "Chris Perdue" > wrote in message > ... > >>tim.....where do you think most of our type 4 knowlege/adaptation(I.E. > > upright > >>conversion)/many parts come from?...folks in Europe have been using the > > type4 > >>in beetles, buses, etc for many years...we are *WAY* behind them....that > > is > >>where people like Jake Raby, etc, have gotten the "bug" over the type > > 4.... > >> > > .........You're right but there is still an availability and affordability > problem in Europe and other parts of the world where type 4 engines were > never sold in large numbers compared to here. > > |
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"tricky" > wrote in message ... > OK so a couple of you think T4 is the way to go. > > I am very happy with my 78 t4 2000, but the reson I was going to rebuild > a type1 was , that is all that is advertised over here in the uk ! > > Anyone know of any UK supplyers of type 4 parts to build an engine ? > > Ts > Rich > Try here http://www.statesidetuning.co.uk/catalogue/engine.htm James |
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