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Old March 21st 08, 03:42 AM posted to rec.aquaria.freshwater.misc
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I just had a outbreak of ick and so all my mollies were inffected and so far
one has died im afraid that another one can died from the fatal ICK ... i
seperated them in a tank and gave them a salt with some " Ick Clear" jungle ..
i found it at petsmart it was the first one i saw so quickly got it. in the
comuntity tank i put a dose and made sure any ick in the water would died off
... do i need to go to extreme measures to get the Ick out of my comunity
tank so when the other fish get better in the other tank the will not get ick
... please any advice would be great right now PLEASE HELP if not for me at
lease for the fishys })))' JK... THX in anvance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!

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Old March 21st 08, 03:56 AM posted to rec.aquaria.freshwater.misc
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"DEM via PetKB.com" [email protected] wrote in message news:[email protected]
I just had a outbreak of ick and so all my mollies were inffected and so
far
one has died im afraid that another one can died from the fatal ICK ... i
seperated them in a tank and gave them a salt with some " Ick Clear"
jungle ..
i found it at petsmart it was the first one i saw so quickly got it. in
the
comuntity tank i put a dose and made sure any ick in the water would died
off
.. do i need to go to extreme measures to get the Ick out of my comunity
tank so when the other fish get better in the other tank the will not get
ick
.. please any advice would be great right now PLEASE HELP if not for me
at
lease for the fishys })))' JK... THX in
anvance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!


I use QuickCure most of the time for ICK. You can get it almost anywhere.


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Old March 21st 08, 04:46 AM posted to rec.aquaria.freshwater.misc
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umm how about the comunity tank did i take it out with one dose thx 4 the
advice ....
can u belive i applied 4 petsmart and ther was an age limit i am very very
sad but i still like petsmart ....
Reel McKoi wrote:
I just had a outbreak of ick and so all my mollies were inffected and so
far

[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
anvance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!


I use QuickCure most of the time for ICK. You can get it almost anywhere.


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Old March 21st 08, 04:31 PM posted to rec.aquaria.freshwater.misc
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On Mar 21, 9:01*am, Tynk wrote:
On Mar 20, 10:46�pm, "DEM via PetKB.com" [email protected] wrote:

umm how about the comunity tank did i take it out with one dose thx 4 the
advice ....
can u belive i applied 4 petsmart and ther was an age limit i am very very
sad � but i still like petsmart ....


I'm confused.
Did you have 2 separate tanks with Ich and you didn't see any spots
after one dose in the first tank?
Then, now you have Ich attacking your Mollies.
Mollies are famous for getting Ich easily.
Treatment with Quick Cure is about the best medication for Ich there
is.
Treat for a full 7 days, not 2-3 like it says on the bottle.
That way you get the straggler Ich that couldn't be killed off during
a 2-3 day treatment.
Some folks treat even longer, but I do a routine 7 day treatment (with
Quick Cure only).
If your filter has carbon in it...remove it. It can absorb the
medication.
What other types of fish are kept with your mollies?
I ask because mollies need salt in their water. A *molly will thrive
in water that's nearly brackish.
Where as a molly that's kept in purely fresh water (no salt) will not.
They don't seem to live very long in freshwater either.
Why they're sold as a freshwater fish is beyond me. It's THE reason
they do so poorly.
Mollies are beautiful fish. They were one of the first fish I bought
for my tank (along with an angelfish).
Having a good local shop keeper that helped me a lot when I was a kid
learning the hobby.....he told me to always keep salt with the mollies
and then they'll do well. But it's too much salt for most of the other
fish.
A simple change (the addition of salt) like that can make a world of
difference with Mollies.
Keep up on water changes and gravel vacuuming.
If doing a water change, obviously do so before dosing the tank.
Lastly, be careful not to cross contaminate tanks.
This can be done by going from one tank to the other with the same
net, hand, when feeding, gravel vacs, etc.
So be aware. It's easier than you might think to goof up.
I've been in this hobby for many years, I really know better, but have
done it a few times on accident.
The last time I cross contaminated a tank by accident, I lost a tank
full of female Bettas, about 15 or so....on top of the other 6-8 that
came in with some of illness (that only affected bettas. I believe it
to be a betta-related virus only), and died.
It's a hard lesson to learn, and even harder when you know better.


Mollies are in that gorup of fish that is sold as freshwater with
advice to add salt. Welltruth be known mollies are a brackish water
fish and they actually do better in full strength sal****er thanthey
do freshwater. They are known ICH magnets, but that affliction goes
away if they are kept in water with a SG of 1.020 or so. Yes, 1.020 is
above what brackish water salinity is considered, and in closer to
full sal****er without corals,, but they do better in salted water for
sure. Ich at that SG is almost non exisitent and they look so much
more better. I routinely kept a school of mmollies at 1.026 sg for use
as live food for my lion fish and snowflake eel. I acclimate lots of
various fish sold as freshwater fish to sal****er and they do so m uch
better. ONe example is the green puffers and spotted and figure eight
puffers. They are great when acclimated and kept in 1.023 or greater
salt water..........I quite keeping mollies and swords mainly due to
their susecptibility of catching ICH.........then I found out about
keeping them in sal****er and its a totally different story
now........With salta or brackish water you do not have a lot of the
problems encountered with freshwater but do acquire a few new problems
in place of those you did not get, but its still well worth the effort
for keeping them in sal****er over freshwater.
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Old March 21st 08, 07:15 PM posted to rec.aquaria.freshwater.misc
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THX FOR THE GREAT ADVICE.just ont more quetion , Im use to keeping salt with
my mollies but im always afriad if i put to much how much shuld i put in per
gal .... i also keep black skirt tertras, and redwag platies , i wouldnt want
to harm any of my other fish but my mollies are down to only 2 . all my fish
are i the " tropical community" and need salt but how much is too much? btw
what is "brackish water" i must be stupid to not know but ive hever can
across the term....

ExPat wrote:
umm how about the comunity tank did i take it out with one dose thx 4 the
advice ....

[quoted text clipped - 43 lines]
to be a betta-related virus only), and died.
It's a hard lesson to learn, and even harder when you know better.


Mollies are in that gorup of fish that is sold as freshwater with
advice to add salt. Welltruth be known mollies are a brackish water
fish and they actually do better in full strength sal****er thanthey
do freshwater. They are known ICH magnets, but that affliction goes
away if they are kept in water with a SG of 1.020 or so. Yes, 1.020 is
above what brackish water salinity is considered, and in closer to
full sal****er without corals,, but they do better in salted water for
sure. Ich at that SG is almost non exisitent and they look so much
more better. I routinely kept a school of mmollies at 1.026 sg for use
as live food for my lion fish and snowflake eel. I acclimate lots of
various fish sold as freshwater fish to sal****er and they do so m uch
better. ONe example is the green puffers and spotted and figure eight
puffers. They are great when acclimated and kept in 1.023 or greater
salt water..........I quite keeping mollies and swords mainly due to
their susecptibility of catching ICH.........then I found out about
keeping them in sal****er and its a totally different story
now........With salta or brackish water you do not have a lot of the
problems encountered with freshwater but do acquire a few new problems
in place of those you did not get, but its still well worth the effort
for keeping them in sal****er over freshwater.


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Old March 22nd 08, 01:50 AM posted to rec.aquaria.freshwater.misc
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On Mar 21, 1:15*pm, "DEM via PetKB.com" [email protected] wrote:
THX FOR THE GREAT ADVICE.just ont more quetion , Im use to keeping salt with
my mollies but im always afriad if i put to much how much shuld i put in per
gal .... i also keep black skirt tertras, and redwag platies , i wouldnt want
to harm any of my other fish but my mollies are down to only 2 . all my fish
are i the " tropical community" and need salt but how much is too much? btw
what is "brackish water" i must be stupid to not know but ive hever can
across the term....





ExPat wrote:
umm how about the comunity tank did i take it out with one dose thx 4 the
advice ....

[quoted text clipped - 43 lines]
to be a betta-related virus only), and died.
It's a hard lesson to learn, and even harder when you know better.


Mollies are in that gorup of fish that is sold as freshwater with
advice to add salt. Welltruth be known mollies are a brackish water
fish and they actually do better in full strength sal****er thanthey
do freshwater. They are known ICH magnets, but that affliction goes
away if they are kept in water with a SG of 1.020 or so. Yes, 1.020 is
above what brackish water salinity is considered, and in closer to
full sal****er without corals,, but they do better in salted water for
sure. Ich at that SG is almost non exisitent and they look so much
more better. I routinely kept a school of mmollies at 1.026 sg for use
as live food for my lion fish and snowflake eel. I acclimate lots of
various fish sold as freshwater fish to sal****er and they do so m uch
better. ONe example is the green puffers and spotted and figure eight
puffers. They are great when acclimated and kept in 1.023 or greater
salt water..........I quite keeping mollies and swords mainly due to
their susecptibility of catching ICH.........then I found out about
keeping them in sal****er and its *a totally different story
now........With salta or brackish water you do not have a lot of the
problems encountered with freshwater but do acquire a few new problems
in place of those you did not get, but its still well worth the effort
for keeping them in sal****er over freshwater.


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Brackish water is IIRC water with a salt content usually from about
1.010 to 1.018...This is water that is typicaly found in a lot of bays
etc that has an influx of river or freshwater that empties into them,
and the bays are open to the oceans/ seas etc. Brackish water usually
is found at mouths of rivers etc and outwards where rivers of large
size (like the amazon etc) empty into the ocean. When I kept my
mollies and other fish in brackish or salt water and regualr natural
sea salt water is usually 1.026, but folks run it form about 1.019
(low side for salt water/ marine fish) to the norm of about 1.023 on
average to 1.026 Sg as max high SG. SG = specific gravity and it
requires a refractometer or hydrometer to read the SG of salt or
brackish water. I never used what is called Aquarium Salt sold
typically in the milk carton type containers. I always use synthetic
sea salts which can be bought in bags that make up 5 gal of SW at a
time to buckets which will make 160 gal at a time or most times I
collect the water directly from the gulf of mexico. There is a lot of
essential elements in synthetic sea salt as compared to so called
aquarium salt, and if the fish need synthetic or not I oculd not
tellyou but I do no that corals etc do so I always used the synthetic
and kiled two birds with one stone. I find it absurd that most lfs do
not know that puffers, mollies etc really need to be ina brackish
environment for them to thrive and do well or else they really are
doomed. Its no wonder mollies and such get ICH like they do, its not
the correct environement ina totally salt free or less than brackish
water environment for them.
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Old March 22nd 08, 01:55 AM posted to rec.aquaria.freshwater.misc
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On Mar 21, 1:15*pm, "DEM via PetKB.com" [email protected] wrote:
THX FOR THE GREAT ADVICE.just ont more quetion , Im use to keeping salt with
my mollies but im always afriad if i put to much how much shuld i put in per
gal .... i also keep black skirt tertras, and redwag platies , i wouldnt want
to harm any of my other fish but my mollies are down to only 2 . all my fish
are i the " tropical community" and need salt but how much is too much? btw
what is "brackish water" i must be stupid to not know but ive hever can
across the term....





ExPat wrote:
umm how about the comunity tank did i take it out with one dose thx 4 the
advice ....

[quoted text clipped - 43 lines]
to be a betta-related virus only), and died.
It's a hard lesson to learn, and even harder when you know better.


Mollies are in that gorup of fish that is sold as freshwater with
advice to add salt. Welltruth be known mollies are a brackish water
fish and they actually do better in full strength sal****er thanthey
do freshwater. They are known ICH magnets, but that affliction goes
away if they are kept in water with a SG of 1.020 or so. Yes, 1.020 is
above what brackish water salinity is considered, and in closer to
full sal****er without corals,, but they do better in salted water for
sure. Ich at that SG is almost non exisitent and they look so much
more better. I routinely kept a school of mmollies at 1.026 sg for use
as live food for my lion fish and snowflake eel. I acclimate lots of
various fish sold as freshwater fish to sal****er and they do so m uch
better. ONe example is the green puffers and spotted and figure eight
puffers. They are great when acclimated and kept in 1.023 or greater
salt water..........I quite keeping mollies and swords mainly due to
their susecptibility of catching ICH.........then I found out about
keeping them in sal****er and its *a totally different story
now........With salta or brackish water you do not have a lot of the
problems encountered with freshwater but do acquire a few new problems
in place of those you did not get, but its still well worth the effort
for keeping them in sal****er over freshwater.


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One thing you need to be aware of with salt. As water evporates and
you add more water the salt level will always remain the same. Salt
does not leave the water with evaporation. NOw if your used to adding
salt evcery so often say adding salt with each water change or so,
your actually building up the salt level, and you can get a salt level
to be extremely high. Its bnest if you have a hydrometer or
refractometer to read the salt content, or make note of how high the
water level is, and always top off the water to that level before
doing a water change. Then if your removing and changing say 5 gal of
water youcan add the amount of salt required in that 5 gal of water
and then add that to the tank and your SG willbe the same as it was
previously. Ifyou do not bring water up to the normal level and then
do a water change over a period of time your SG will become much
higher overall. I wuold look at a swingarm hydrometer or
refractometer if yuor dealing with brackish water or sal****er fish
and adding any amount of salt to any fish aquarium.
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Old March 22nd 08, 05:45 AM posted to rec.aquaria.freshwater.misc
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well when i clean the water i do a 40 -60 percent water change and add the
salt to the water and treat the water before i put it in and i top it off
with water with out salt so there is not a build up of salt for the
evaporation were can i get the other salt or can i get it at any local
petsmart.

ExPat wrote:
THX FOR THE GREAT ADVICE.just ont more quetion , Im use to keeping salt with
my mollies but im always afriad if i put to much how much shuld i put in per

[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]

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One thing you need to be aware of with salt. As water evporates and
you add more water the salt level will always remain the same. Salt
does not leave the water with evaporation. NOw if your used to adding
salt evcery so often say adding salt with each water change or so,
your actually building up the salt level, and you can get a salt level
to be extremely high. Its bnest if you have a hydrometer or
refractometer to read the salt content, or make note of how high the
water level is, and always top off the water to that level before
doing a water change. Then if your removing and changing say 5 gal of
water youcan add the amount of salt required in that 5 gal of water
and then add that to the tank and your SG willbe the same as it was
previously. Ifyou do not bring water up to the normal level and then
do a water change over a period of time your SG will become much
higher overall. I wuold look at a swingarm hydrometer or
refractometer if yuor dealing with brackish water or sal****er fish
and adding any amount of salt to any fish aquarium.


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Old March 22nd 08, 03:12 PM posted to rec.aquaria.freshwater.misc
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On Mar 21, 11:45*pm, "DEM via PetKB.com" [email protected] wrote:
well when i clean the water i do a 40 -60 percent water change and add the
salt to the water and treat the water before i put it in and i top it off
with water with out salt so there is not a build up of salt for the
evaporation were can i get the other salt or can i get it at any local
petsmart.





ExPat wrote:
THX FOR THE GREAT ADVICE.just ont more quetion , Im use to keeping salt with
my mollies but im always afriad if i put to much how much shuld i put in per

[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]


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One thing you need to be aware of with salt. As water evporates and
you add more water the salt level will always remain the same. Salt
does not leave the water with evaporation. NOw if your used to adding
salt evcery so often say adding salt with each water change or so,
your actually building up the salt level, and you can get a salt level
to be extremely high. *Its bnest if you have a hydrometer *or
refractometer to read the salt content, or make note of how high the
water level is, and always top off the water to that level before
doing a water change. Then if your removing and changing say 5 gal of
water youcan add the amount of salt required in that 5 gal of water
and then add that to the tank and your SG willbe the same as it was
previously. Ifyou do not bring water up to the normal level and then
do a water change over a period of time your SG will become much
higher overall. *I wuold look at a swingarm hydrometer or
refractometer if yuor dealing with brackish water or sal****er fish
and adding any amount of salt to any fish aquarium.


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You still need to be able to see what the specific gravity (SG) of the
salt content of your water is..........otherwise your shooting inthe
dark. Any decent pet shop ought to have various sized packs of
synthetic salt if your going to make brackish water. Instant Ocean has
10 gal packs as well as 5 gal packs, and there is a lot of various
other companies that also have 5 gal packs and up.
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Old March 29th 08, 07:59 PM posted to rec.aquaria.freshwater.misc
Reel McKoi[_10_]
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"DEM via PetKB.com" [email protected] wrote in message news:[email protected]
umm how about the comunity tank did i take it out with one dose thx 4 the
advice ....
can u belive i applied 4 petsmart and ther was an age limit i am very very
sad but i still like petsmart ....

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