Found in barn, complete

DeserTBoB wrote:
> On 1 Sep 2006 04:49:17 -0700, "duty-honor-country"
> > wrote:
>
> >A 270 V-8 was a dog. If you had the small Dodge Hemi it would be worth
> >buying. <snip>
>
> Charlie Nudo of Drums, PA once again shows his ignorance and
> stupidity.
>
> The 270 WAS a HEMI, you IDIOT! As for the rest of the post, just more
> "trolling" from Charlie Nudo...as expect.
>
> This account should be down by noon, PDT.

Let's see a picture of the engine bay, and that will settle it- if it
is a Hemi or not.

I seriously doubt it.

DeserTBoB wrote:
> On 1 Sep 2006 04:49:17 -0700, "duty-honor-country"
> > wrote:
>
> >A 270 V-8 was a dog. If you had the small Dodge Hemi it would be worth
> >buying. <snip>
>
> Charlie Nudo of Drums, PA once again shows his ignorance and
> stupidity.
>
> The 270 WAS a HEMI, you IDIOT! As for the rest of the post, just more
> "trolling" from Charlie Nudo...as expect.
>
> This account should be down by noon, PDT.


Further verification- the last year for the 270 Hemi was 1954.

1955 was the first year for the POLY engine, a run of the mill slug
motor making less than 200 HP.

DeserTBoB wrote:
> On 1 Sep 2006 04:49:17 -0700, "duty-honor-country"
> > wrote:
>
> >A 270 V-8 was a dog. If you had the small Dodge Hemi it would be worth
> >buying. <snip>
>
> Charlie Nudo of Drums, PA once again shows his ignorance and
> stupidity.
>
> The 270 WAS a HEMI, you IDIOT! As for the rest of the post, just more
> "trolling" from Charlie Nudo...as expect.
>
> This account should be down by noon, PDT.


The car you're looking at most likely has one of these Poly 270's in
it- nothing earthshaking.

http://www.classichemi.com/polywhat.shtml

FWIW, the Hemi Red Ram only made 140 HP-150 HP.

The Poly Red Ram 270 actually made more power than the 270 Hemi did.

The poly head Super Red Ram 270 made 193 HP, in 1955.

A very short time later, the small block Chevy 283 came out, making 283
HP from 283 CID- one HP per CID. 90 HP more than the Dodge Super Red
Ram 270. That shows you just how inefficient the small block Dodge
Hemi and poly engines really were at that time- which is why Dodge
dropped them and went to the 273/318/340/360 small blocks, and 383/440
big blocks. The Chevy small block with a wedge head was better than
the Dodge hemi.

Now, if it was a CHRYSLER early Hemi 392 from the 1950's, then you'd
have something to pursue that was worthwhile. Those were rated at 390
HP in top form. And actually can make several thousand HP with
superchargers/stroker cranks/nitro- and were a kick ass Top Fuel
Dragster motor. Derivatives of that design are still being used today,
in the form of the aftermarket aluminum DONOVAN Hemi block.

But good luck with it, whatever you do.

On 1 Sep 2006 16:17:08 -0700, "duty-honor-country"
> wrote:

>What that car has, is a POLY 270 engine- single rocker shaft canted
>valve wedge head. <snip>

Really, smartass? Then why does it have the incredibly FAT valve
covers with the plugs IN THE MIDDLE?

Charlie Nudo talking though his ass once more. He is an incredible BS
artist, and relies on quick views of websites for any "knowledge."

KILLFILE ...as if it matters. The
account will be gone soon, and he'll try to start another one.

duty-honor-country aka Charlie Nudo , Drums PA. wrote:

>
> Flame war aside, I'm not above educating you on vintage car matters.
> Buy one that's already running and nicer. The world is full of people
> who buy cars like that, dump $15000 into them, and the car is still in
> primer and not running yet, 5 years later.

Even Charlie admits he came to this group to start a flame war. .

duty-honor-country wrote:
>
> > top of the $500 deposit...we'll see what they think.
> >
> > We shall see what develops.
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1955-...QQcmdZViewItem
>
> For $500 you can buy a complete car like that on Ebay.
>
> For $3000 each, I can find 30 of those cars here in Pa. in the
> junkyards.
>
> They are quite common and total Lancer production for 1955, including
> 2dr, 4dr, and wagon, was over 75,000 units.


The car in your eBay link is not a complete car, and it's kind of
trashed. I wonder how hard it is to get a windshield for it. It
doesn't even have an engine or transmission.

The car in the barn is complete, according to the description. I bought
a 51 Studebaker in Lubbock in 1989. I put some used tires on it and
drove it all the way to McAllen, Texas, by way of Dallas. That's a long
trip, and it worked great. The only things wrong with that car were
that the paint had been cooked off of the roof as it sat in the sun for
20 years, and the coil spring-controlled butterfly valve in the exhaust
manifold was stuck mostly shut. But the wiring, light bulbs, horn,
overdrive, brakes and wipers worked great.

Judging from the description of the Dodge in question, I would expect it
to need very little work to be roadworthy. In a dry climate the gas
tank probably isn't rotten, but most of the rubber will probably be
bad. You would want to look at things individually, but I would expect
such a car to be in excellent condition, as my Studebaker from Lubbock
was. Incidentally, the Studebaker was a 4 door, and it was a cool car.
I'm sure the Dodge would be a load of fun, but I wouldn't pay $3500 for
it. If I were in a buying mood I would be eager to buy a car stored in
a garage in the desert. But you could probably get it for a lot less if
you don't let yourself get carried away.

On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 21:12:14 -0500, Robbie and Laura Reynolds
> wrote:

>The car in your eBay link is not a complete car, and it's kind of
>trashed. I wonder how hard it is to get a windshield for it. It
>doesn't even have an engine or transmission. <snip>

That mess in Noodles' link is almost scrap...there's very little
"restorable" about that one, and it surely isn't worth $500. There
was another '55, a D-55, also on eBay, in rough but running shape in
Florida, with a black paint job that looks as if it were applied with
a roller. It's not worth $2000, either. As 66fourdoor, aka Charlie
Nudo proves, eBay is a "ship of fools."

>The car in the barn is complete, according to the description. I bought
>a 51 Studebaker in Lubbock in 1989. I put some used tires on it and
>drove it all the way to McAllen, Texas, by way of Dallas. That's a long
>trip, and it worked great. The only things wrong with that car were
>that the paint had been cooked off of the roof as it sat in the sun for
>20 years, and the coil spring-controlled butterfly valve in the exhaust
>manifold was stuck mostly shut. But the wiring, light bulbs, horn,
>overdrive, brakes and wipers worked great. <snip>

This car is just as the old gent left it, even with the 1970-era
General belted ply tires, still reasonably good because it had been
jacked up on cinder blocks and the tires covered with drop cloths, but
checked more than I'd consider safe. The Chrysler interiors of those
years were none too hardy and most of the nylon-based cloth is shot
due to dry-out, but is all there. The door panels are all there and
have no water damage. The weather stripping is dried out, but all
there. The factory paint has the slightest amount of sun damage on
the roof (black, what can one expect in the desert??) and the white
and pink could be rubbed out to a nice gloss easily. The 270
HEMI...that's right, folks, it IS a HEMI...not a polyspherical...was
well cared for, with frequent oil changes according to the dealer's
pillar stickers, no obvious sludge accumulations that I could see, and
the fellow was kind enough to remove the plugs and put oil into each
cylinder on a routine basis. All the wiring appears intact with no
rat damage. He had also drained the Powerflite as well. Where
Noodles gets his information can be only one place...and he sits on
it.

>Judging from the description of the Dodge in question, I would expect it
>to need very little work to be roadworthy. In a dry climate the gas
>tank probably isn't rotten <snip>

The gas tank had been drained when the car was stored and a peek
inside shows only galvanic coating on the floor of it. So much for
"Noodles Logic."

>I'm sure the Dodge would be a load of fun, but I wouldn't pay $3500 for
>it. If I were in a buying mood I would be eager to buy a car stored in
>a garage in the desert. But you could probably get it for a lot less if
>you don't let yourself get carried away. <snip>

They are still considering my offer and contacting other family
members. I wasn't looking at this as a full concours restoration
project, but rather a safe, roadworthy resuscitation back to where it
was when parked, with possible future sale to a MoPar fan who's into
'55 products. The 270 HEMI....not a polyspheric...is rare, but some
looking around the 'Net showed a number of Custom Royal Lancers so
equipped. Best I can tell, Chrysler dropped the 270 hemi for Dodges
in the middle of the '55 model year, but I cannot be sure of that,
either.

The paper work in the musty manila folder was very complete, including
the bill of sale from 1955 from H.W. Hunter Dodge/Chrysler/De Soto
here in town. The car was bought in January, 1955, so it was possibly
late '54 production. Hunter is still in business and still owned by
the Hunter family. Their parts department has been more than willing
to track down OEM M-body parts, as most of their countermen have been
there for many years and know where all the "secret stuff" is.

Once again, Charlie Nudo, aka "Noodles," aka dutyhonorcountry2(and
possibly more as each account gets is talking out of
his sphincter, from whence he's been chatting on Usenet ever since he
discovered WebTV back around 2001...a black banner day for Usenet.

On 1 Sep 2006 17:26:52 -0700, "bicycle" >
wrote:

>
>duty-honor-country aka Charlie Nudo , Drums PA. wrote:
>
>>
>> Flame war aside, I'm not above educating you on vintage car matters.
>> Buy one that's already running and nicer. The world is full of people
>> who buy cars like that, dump $15000 into them, and the car is still in
>> primer and not running yet, 5 years later.
>
>Even Charlie admits he came to this group to start a flame war. . <snip>

Please submit complaints to:




....whenever or any of his future
pseudonyms starts his "trollshifting" or newsgroup disruption. We
need this troll killed off before he becomes rooted in here or
anywhere else. He has been a Usenet "megatroll" and eBay petty theif
for at least four years. He ripped me off twice for small items, for
which I have full documentation as well as that of others similarly
ripped off. He's also a prolific liar.

On 1 Sep 2006 16:17:08 -0700, "duty-honor-country"
> wrote:

>That shows what you know.
>
>What that car has, is a POLY 270 engine- single rocker shaft canted
>valve wedge head. <SNIP>

Another case of Charlie Nudo talking out of his ass.

DeserTBoB wrote:
> On 1 Sep 2006 16:17:08 -0700, "duty-honor-country"
> > wrote:
>
> >What that car has, is a POLY 270 engine- single rocker shaft canted
> >valve wedge head. <snip>
>
> Really, smartass? Then why does it have the incredibly FAT valve
> covers with the plugs IN THE MIDDLE?
>
> Charlie Nudo talking though his ass once more. He is an incredible BS
> artist, and relies on quick views of websites for any "knowledge."
>
> KILLFILE ...as if it matters. The
> account will be gone soon, and he'll try to start another one.


Too funny...pick up any repair manual and look what's listed for 1955

No Dodge Hemi- only a poly.

That's directly from the Dodge official archives.